S.20.4.5 - Stick It To The Man Act [VOTE]
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« on: November 28, 2020, 08:12:20 PM »
« edited: December 31, 2020, 02:14:56 PM by KoopaDaQuick »

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A BILL FOR AN ACT
allowing the Southern voter to cast a write-in vote using a sticker with candidate’s name on it

BE IT ENACTED BY THE SOUTHERN CHAMBER RESOLVED.

Section 1, TITLE AND CLARIFICATIONS.
1. The title of this Act shall be, the "Stick It To The Man Act."
2. This bill shall only apply to elections for offices with a write-in option.
3. This bill shall apply to all election precincts under the Southern Region’s authority, even if not for a regional office.

Section 2, TEXT.
1. On the write-in section of a paper ballot, the voter may affix a sticker on their ballot in said section indicating the candidate’s name.
2. If voting for a presidential ticket for president and vice president, this sticker may contain the names for both candidates on the ticket, although it is not required.
3. So long as the sticker is clearly legible, no vote counter in the Southern Region shall reject or delegitimize an election ballot on the sole basis of a write-in sticker being placed on it.
4. Due to the potential of causing paper jams or damage to election equipment, a precinct must place a clear warning on its ballot if votes are counted using ballot scanners.

Section 3, ENACTMENT CLAUSE.
1. This legislation shall take effect for all elections starting on or after the first day of March in 2021.

Sponsor: KoopaDaQuick (Peace - Arkansas)

Minimum 48 hours for debate.
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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2020, 08:15:19 PM »

This bill makes it easier for write-in candidates to win votes in elections by not forcing their voters to arbitrarily remember how to spell their name. I don't know how to elaborate further, it's exactly as written on the tin. Keep in mind the fact that this will not affect how the in-game regional elections work from a practical standpoint, as it's hard to put a sticker on your computer screen and have it transmit on the other end. Tongue

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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2020, 08:46:22 PM »

This bill makes it easier for write-in candidates to win votes in elections by not forcing their voters to arbitrarily remember how to spell their name. I don't know how to elaborate further, it's exactly as written on the tin. Keep in mind the fact that this will not affect how the in-game regional elections work from a practical standpoint, as it's hard to put a sticker on your computer screen and have it transmit on the other end. Tongue

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If one was to post an image in the voting booth, does that count?
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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2020, 08:48:38 PM »

If one was to post an image in the voting booth, does that count?

If intent is clear, I don't see why not.
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2020, 10:08:03 PM »

Has there been any proven results of this working successfully in RL? Section 2, Clause 4 causes concern for me - we are basically admitting that this might cause equipment malfunction, so what happens in that case? The vast majority of ballots in the US are either electronic or scanned and I expect the number to only increase in the future. Is the vote just not counted? I'd rather err on the side of caution to ensure that every person's vote is counted.
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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2020, 11:55:17 PM »

Has there been any proven results of this working successfully in RL? Section 2, Clause 4 causes concern for me - we are basically admitting that this might cause equipment malfunction, so what happens in that case? The vast majority of ballots in the US are either electronic or scanned and I expect the number to only increase in the future. Is the vote just not counted? I'd rather err on the side of caution to ensure that every person's vote is counted.

Perhaps segregating the ballots based on whether or not they have stickers so that they can be counted manually, and also making sure that stickers are short enough to fit. Massachusetts, a state that has such laws in the real world, requires stickers to be certain dimensions to fit both the square on the ballot as well as to fit through the scanner. I'll try to work on an amendment to fix this issue.
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2020, 12:12:47 AM »

This bill seems at least in theory to be a good idea. I look forward to further amendments to refine it.
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2020, 02:27:48 PM »

Has there been any proven results of this working successfully in RL? Section 2, Clause 4 causes concern for me - we are basically admitting that this might cause equipment malfunction, so what happens in that case? The vast majority of ballots in the US are either electronic or scanned and I expect the number to only increase in the future. Is the vote just not counted? I'd rather err on the side of caution to ensure that every person's vote is counted.

I would also like to raise the possibility of varying degrees of adhesive that come with stickers.  We are bound to see some stickers falling off, even causing separate ballots to stick together, not unlike the pages in the right honorable gentleman's favorite pornography magazine!
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2020, 08:01:14 PM »

Has there been any proven results of this working successfully in RL? Section 2, Clause 4 causes concern for me - we are basically admitting that this might cause equipment malfunction, so what happens in that case? The vast majority of ballots in the US are either electronic or scanned and I expect the number to only increase in the future. Is the vote just not counted? I'd rather err on the side of caution to ensure that every person's vote is counted.

You go just go all Butlerian Jihad and just have them counted manually, rather than putting faith in machines.
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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2020, 09:25:31 PM »

Has there been any proven results of this working successfully in RL? Section 2, Clause 4 causes concern for me - we are basically admitting that this might cause equipment malfunction, so what happens in that case? The vast majority of ballots in the US are either electronic or scanned and I expect the number to only increase in the future. Is the vote just not counted? I'd rather err on the side of caution to ensure that every person's vote is counted.

You go just go all Butlerian Jihad and just have them counted manually, rather than putting faith in machines.

This is seriously a good point, election machines are nothing but trouble, sticker or not. Should we just ban election machines?
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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2020, 09:51:44 PM »

Has there been any proven results of this working successfully in RL? Section 2, Clause 4 causes concern for me - we are basically admitting that this might cause equipment malfunction, so what happens in that case? The vast majority of ballots in the US are either electronic or scanned and I expect the number to only increase in the future. Is the vote just not counted? I'd rather err on the side of caution to ensure that every person's vote is counted.

You go just go all Butlerian Jihad and just have them counted manually, rather than putting faith in machines.

This is seriously a good point, election machines are nothing but trouble, sticker or not. Should we just ban election machines?
I worry that this would greatly slow down reporting times.
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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2020, 03:44:08 AM »

...I'd rather err on the side of caution to ensure that every person's vote is counted.

You go just go all Butlerian Jihad and just have them counted manually, rather than putting faith in machines.

This is seriously a good point, election machines are nothing but trouble, sticker or not. Should we just ban election machines?
I worry that this would greatly slow down reporting times.

I'd rather an accurate count than a fast one.
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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2020, 11:19:28 AM »

...I'd rather err on the side of caution to ensure that every person's vote is counted.

You go just go all Butlerian Jihad and just have them counted manually, rather than putting faith in machines.

This is seriously a good point, election machines are nothing but trouble, sticker or not. Should we just ban election machines?
I worry that this would greatly slow down reporting times.

I'd rather an accurate count than a fast one.
There is no strong evidence to show that machine voting is far more inaccurate than paper ballots. My point is I’m not going to give up machine voting just so people can put a write in sticker on a ballot, which I thought is what was being suggested. More people voted via machine than ever before in the last RL election and it was the most secure in history.
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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2020, 06:03:05 PM »

I don't think it is wise just banning election machines. That is something that ought to be up for state-level officials anyway.
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« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2020, 05:28:25 PM »

This has been sitting idle for 7 days, I'm calling for a final vote.
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« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2020, 09:04:31 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2020, 11:51:17 AM »


I thought Koopa was going to take control of the speakership this weekend, but since she hasn't yet: This is now going to a final vote
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« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2020, 11:51:51 AM »

I don't think it is wise just banning election machines. That is something that ought to be up for state-level officials anyway.

I vote Nay because of this reasoning.
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« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2020, 05:21:15 PM »

Is it possible to pass a version of this bill that sidesteps any issues involving the idea of banning election machines?
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« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2020, 06:18:37 PM »

Is it possible to pass a version of this bill that sidesteps any issues involving the idea of banning election machines?
At this point the best option would be for you to send back a redraft

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« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2020, 01:03:04 AM »

Is it possible to pass a version of this bill that sidesteps any issues involving the idea of banning election machines?
At this point the best option would be for you to send back a redraft

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What do you think such a redraft would look like?
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« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2020, 03:18:26 PM »

Is it possible to pass a version of this bill that sidesteps any issues involving the idea of banning election machines?
At this point the best option would be for you to send back a redraft

NAY
What do you think such a redraft would look like?
I'm not sure, I don't really support the principle of the bill in any form. Probably just another clause stating that precincts using electronic machines may not outlaw them as a result of this bill? That would still be open to loopholes but I'm not really sure how to prevent that.
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« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2020, 02:15:11 PM »

AYE
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« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2020, 03:28:21 PM »

AYE
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« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2020, 11:07:55 PM »

Nay
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