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« on: November 28, 2020, 05:08:29 AM »

Wisconsin was decided by under 1%.
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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2020, 05:18:45 AM »

But it’s partisan lean has changed considerably over the years even as it has voted narrowly for one party, here is how it has voted vs the nation:

2000: R+0.3
2004: D+2.8
2008: D+6.7
2012: D+3
2016: R+2.9
2020: R+3.8
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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2020, 09:06:53 AM »

La Follette is rolling over in his grave.  

Hes fixin to rise up and choke a bitch. 
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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2020, 09:26:08 AM »

LaFollette certainly wouldn't recognize his party today.
Interestingly in his last Senate primary (1922), he was the one accused of being a socialist.
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2020, 10:20:04 AM »

Obama's 2008/2012 wins were truly impressive, considering how close the state has been otherwise. And in three of the four elections in which the state was decided by <1%, Wisconsin voted Democratic.
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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2020, 10:32:38 AM »

WI is a swing state but it's not Tilt R states like IA and OH, Dems have won WI even in 1976,1988, and haven't voted consecutively yet for Rs and  Clinton, Obama won it handily
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2020, 11:46:51 AM »

I can buy that it will remain a swing state but that NC,AZ, and GA are just as much so. If it became a Republican state, Democrats will have to do better in Florida and Texas. They either crack those nuts or become irrelevant.
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2020, 11:59:17 AM »

WI likes populist candidates it seems (Obama 2008 and Trump 2016/20).
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2020, 12:32:39 PM »

WI likes populist candidates it seems (Obama 2008 and Trump 2016/20).

Trump lost in 2020, and Hillary was simply a bad candidate in 2016/ that allowed Trump to win
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2020, 02:15:47 PM »

WI likes populist candidates it seems (Obama 2008 and Trump 2016/20).

Trump lost in 2020, and Hillary was simply a bad candidate in 2016/ that allowed Trump to win

Honestly, 2020 kind of vindicates Hillary Clinton. Biden’s win is not especially impressive. He won because he fast-tracked the trends Hillary Clinton started to a larger degree than Trump fast-tracked his own 2016 trends. To me, the single biggest reason Biden won and Clinton didn’t is that voters in 2020 had the benefit of hindsight. That’s not a ringing endorsement of any special qualities Biden brought to the table.
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2020, 02:31:11 PM »

I hate to be that guy, but technically, 2000 was still in the previous century.
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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2020, 02:47:31 PM »

LaFollette certainly wouldn't recognize his party today.
Interestingly in his last Senate primary (1922), he was the one accused of being a socialist.

There is a reason his kids created their own third party in the 1930's and 40's.
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2020, 02:49:01 PM »

WI likes populist candidates it seems (Obama 2008 and Trump 2016/20).

Trump lost in 2020, and Hillary was simply a bad candidate in 2016/ that allowed Trump to win

Honestly, 2020 kind of vindicates Hillary Clinton. Biden’s win is not especially impressive. He won because he fast-tracked the trends Hillary Clinton started to a larger degree than Trump fast-tracked his own 2016 trends. To me, the single biggest reason Biden won and Clinton didn’t is that voters in 2020 had the benefit of hindsight. That’s not a ringing endorsement of any special qualities Biden brought to the table.

I completely agree that 2020 mostly vindicates Hilary Clinton. Joe Scarborough said right after the election that he and most people owe her an apology.

I'm pretty sure I've said it before, but that's part of what surprised me so much about Pennsylvania in 2016 and why I was otherwise confident in her ability to win the state. I was expecting much stronger numbers for Hillary in SEPA to counter the swings in Central and Western PA. Even Biden's numbers in that area aren't quite I was expecting either this year or four years ago, but obviously in addition to enough swings elsewhere, it was enough to win the state.
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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2020, 08:10:33 PM »

What this says to me, more than anything, is that Obama and the circumstances around him were completely unique and will never be replicated. It's just good to see that Democrats can still win without all that though no matter how nerve-wracking as it is to see incredibly important battleground states like Pennsylvania and Wisconsin be decided by 1% or less.

WI likes populist candidates it seems (Obama 2008 and Trump 2016/20).

Trump lost in 2020, and Hillary was simply a bad candidate in 2016/ that allowed Trump to win

Honestly, 2020 kind of vindicates Hillary Clinton. Biden’s win is not especially impressive. He won because he fast-tracked the trends Hillary Clinton started to a larger degree than Trump fast-tracked his own 2016 trends. To me, the single biggest reason Biden won and Clinton didn’t is that voters in 2020 had the benefit of hindsight. That’s not a ringing endorsement of any special qualities Biden brought to the table.

I echo your sentiments here, especially about hindsight being the biggest advantage Democrats had this year, but I wouldn't discount the fact that Biden is a white man who wasn't character assassinated into becoming a right wing pariah over the span of 25+ years. Those advantages were clearly worth their weight in gold, as unfair as it is to Clinton. It's just the country we live in.
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