The Rotting of the Republican Mind

[Fuzzy Bear]

It's going to be VERY hard to rebuild trust with the Trump cult, because a large amount of them LIKE not trusting the media and aren't interested anymore in trusting a hypoethetical "honest media".

They SHOULDN'T trust the media.  The media misrepresents THEM as well as Trump.

We have people on this forum who assert that anyone who merely voted for Trump is a horrible person by definition.  They get this from media accounts, multiple sources, over and over.  Trump is NEVER right (according to the mass media) and their Worldview is presented, putting forth the urgency of not only ridding ourselves of Trump, but of his supporters as well.

I would very much like an "honest media".  An "honest media" would have already required Joe Biden to clarify his statements that he knew nothing of his son Hunter's business dealings in Ukraine when there is clear evidence that he did.  A routine inconsistency; why won't mainstream reporters bring clarification?  (Biden hasn't denied it yet, he just blasts the reporters as "smearing" him.)  That's a small bit of honesty, but we don't even get that.  An "honest media" would certainly confront Trump, and Trump has certainly done things that merit confrontation, but so had Obama.  The title of Bernard Goldberg's book, A Slobbering Love Affair, was an accurate description of the media's treatment of Obama.  If Goldberg wrote a book about the media's treatment of Trump, it would be The Granddaddy Of All Beatdowns.  

Actually Fuzzy the reason we think Trumpers are bad people is not because of “the media” but because of the rest of your post. You’ve been defending Trump’s corruption for 4 years now jumping through hoop after hoop to defend him and then without any shame have gone on and on about how Hunter Biden’s Ukraine business is the most corrupt thing ever shows how much of a bad faith hypocrite you are. Which you aren’t alone with it’s been 4 years of constant trolling and bad faith arguments in defense of a moral repugnant man who launched an all out assault on our democratic norms from Trumpers that definitely lead one to the conclusion you’re not good good people. CNN or MSNBC didn’t lead to this conclusion. You all did that to yourselves.

Other than the fact that Hunter Biden is presumed innocent until proven guilty, I don't see how this post is aging well.

Anyone calling out Hunter Biden in the media, on social media, etc. has been right to do so.  Those condemning us for do so only wished to deflect that legitimate bad press that he's getting today.  Hunter Biden has been under investigation for two (2) years.  Given what is "leaked" on a daily basis, it's kind of hard to believe that actual confirmation of this by the MSM hasn't occurred until just now.

Fuzzy, you understand that Trump actually pockets the profits from businesses run by his children who peddle his name to do business overseas, right?

No one is claiming to be able to prove that Hunter Biden has lived a squeaky clean life, but your hypocrisy in asserting “but Hunter Biden!” To try to impugn his father in the face of the Trump family’s flagrant conduct over the last four years has reached comical levels.

Why, then, should the media not have reported this BEFORE the election.  Why should they not have investigated Tony Bobulinski's accounts, none of which have been debunked to date, not even by the MSM (who have lost their credibility in "debunking").

Why, then, was it OK for Twitter to delete all reTweeting of the story on Hunter Biden and Tony Bobulinski done before the election.  The story isn't false, and we know this now.  Hunter Biden has been under investigation for years now; why wasn't this mentioned before the election?  It was a legitimate story, and a story that would have been on the front pages of all major newspapers if it had involved a Republican candidate's son?

There's no defense for THAT.  There's no defense for the full-scale blocking and censoring of the Hunter Biden story until the election was in the bag.  None.  It's one of any number of indefensible acts by the MSM during this election cycle.  Now even the MSM says this is an accurate story, and a story whose accuracy they could have easily confirmed months ago.  They suppressed it because the MSM were political activists on behalf of Biden during this past election.  Now I realize that many here can't tell the difference between journalism and activism.  I realize that others can very well tell the difference and present journalism as activism anyway.  The prevalence of the latter is just one more reason why an overwhelming number of Republicans don't believe that the administration of the past election was fair and just. 

[SteveRogers]

It's going to be VERY hard to rebuild trust with the Trump cult, because a large amount of them LIKE not trusting the media and aren't interested anymore in trusting a hypoethetical "honest media".

They SHOULDN'T trust the media.  The media misrepresents THEM as well as Trump.

We have people on this forum who assert that anyone who merely voted for Trump is a horrible person by definition.  They get this from media accounts, multiple sources, over and over.  Trump is NEVER right (according to the mass media) and their Worldview is presented, putting forth the urgency of not only ridding ourselves of Trump, but of his supporters as well.

I would very much like an "honest media".  An "honest media" would have already required Joe Biden to clarify his statements that he knew nothing of his son Hunter's business dealings in Ukraine when there is clear evidence that he did.  A routine inconsistency; why won't mainstream reporters bring clarification?  (Biden hasn't denied it yet, he just blasts the reporters as "smearing" him.)  That's a small bit of honesty, but we don't even get that.  An "honest media" would certainly confront Trump, and Trump has certainly done things that merit confrontation, but so had Obama.  The title of Bernard Goldberg's book, A Slobbering Love Affair, was an accurate description of the media's treatment of Obama.  If Goldberg wrote a book about the media's treatment of Trump, it would be The Granddaddy Of All Beatdowns.  

Actually Fuzzy the reason we think Trumpers are bad people is not because of “the media” but because of the rest of your post. You’ve been defending Trump’s corruption for 4 years now jumping through hoop after hoop to defend him and then without any shame have gone on and on about how Hunter Biden’s Ukraine business is the most corrupt thing ever shows how much of a bad faith hypocrite you are. Which you aren’t alone with it’s been 4 years of constant trolling and bad faith arguments in defense of a moral repugnant man who launched an all out assault on our democratic norms from Trumpers that definitely lead one to the conclusion you’re not good good people. CNN or MSNBC didn’t lead to this conclusion. You all did that to yourselves.

Other than the fact that Hunter Biden is presumed innocent until proven guilty, I don't see how this post is aging well.

Anyone calling out Hunter Biden in the media, on social media, etc. has been right to do so.  Those condemning us for do so only wished to deflect that legitimate bad press that he's getting today.  Hunter Biden has been under investigation for two (2) years.  Given what is "leaked" on a daily basis, it's kind of hard to believe that actual confirmation of this by the MSM hasn't occurred until just now.

Fuzzy, you understand that Trump actually pockets the profits from businesses run by his children who peddle his name to do business overseas, right?

No one is claiming to be able to prove that Hunter Biden has lived a squeaky clean life, but your hypocrisy in asserting “but Hunter Biden!” To try to impugn his father in the face of the Trump family’s flagrant conduct over the last four years has reached comical levels.

Why, then, should the media not have reported this BEFORE the election.  Why should they not have investigated Tony Bobulinski's accounts, none of which have been debunked to date, not even by the MSM (who have lost their credibility in "debunking").

Why, then, was it OK for Twitter to delete all reTweeting of the story on Hunter Biden and Tony Bobulinski done before the election.  The story isn't false, and we know this now.  Hunter Biden has been under investigation for years now; why wasn't this mentioned before the election?  It was a legitimate story, and a story that would have been on the front pages of all major newspapers if it had involved a Republican candidate's son?

There's no defense for THAT.  There's no defense for the full-scale blocking and censoring of the Hunter Biden story until the election was in the bag.  None.  It's one of any number of indefensible acts by the MSM during this election cycle.  Now even the MSM says this is an accurate story, and a story whose accuracy they could have easily confirmed months ago.  They suppressed it because the MSM were political activists on behalf of Biden during this past election.  Now I realize that many here can't tell the difference between journalism and activism.  I realize that others can very well tell the difference and present journalism as activism anyway.  The prevalence of the latter is just one more reason why an overwhelming number of Republicans don't believe that the administration of the past election was fair and just. 

Way to dodge the point entirely.

[Hindsight was 2020]

It's going to be VERY hard to rebuild trust with the Trump cult, because a large amount of them LIKE not trusting the media and aren't interested anymore in trusting a hypoethetical "honest media".

They SHOULDN'T trust the media.  The media misrepresents THEM as well as Trump.

We have people on this forum who assert that anyone who merely voted for Trump is a horrible person by definition.  They get this from media accounts, multiple sources, over and over.  Trump is NEVER right (according to the mass media) and their Worldview is presented, putting forth the urgency of not only ridding ourselves of Trump, but of his supporters as well.

I would very much like an "honest media".  An "honest media" would have already required Joe Biden to clarify his statements that he knew nothing of his son Hunter's business dealings in Ukraine when there is clear evidence that he did.  A routine inconsistency; why won't mainstream reporters bring clarification?  (Biden hasn't denied it yet, he just blasts the reporters as "smearing" him.)  That's a small bit of honesty, but we don't even get that.  An "honest media" would certainly confront Trump, and Trump has certainly done things that merit confrontation, but so had Obama.  The title of Bernard Goldberg's book, A Slobbering Love Affair, was an accurate description of the media's treatment of Obama.  If Goldberg wrote a book about the media's treatment of Trump, it would be The Granddaddy Of All Beatdowns.  

Actually Fuzzy the reason we think Trumpers are bad people is not because of “the media” but because of the rest of your post. You’ve been defending Trump’s corruption for 4 years now jumping through hoop after hoop to defend him and then without any shame have gone on and on about how Hunter Biden’s Ukraine business is the most corrupt thing ever shows how much of a bad faith hypocrite you are. Which you aren’t alone with it’s been 4 years of constant trolling and bad faith arguments in defense of a moral repugnant man who launched an all out assault on our democratic norms from Trumpers that definitely lead one to the conclusion you’re not good good people. CNN or MSNBC didn’t lead to this conclusion. You all did that to yourselves.

Other than the fact that Hunter Biden is presumed innocent until proven guilty, I don't see how this post is aging well.

Anyone calling out Hunter Biden in the media, on social media, etc. has been right to do so.  Those condemning us for do so only wished to deflect that legitimate bad press that he's getting today.  Hunter Biden has been under investigation for two (2) years.  Given what is "leaked" on a daily basis, it's kind of hard to believe that actual confirmation of this by the MSM hasn't occurred until just now.

Fuzzy, you understand that Trump actually pockets the profits from businesses run by his children who peddle his name to do business overseas, right?

No one is claiming to be able to prove that Hunter Biden has lived a squeaky clean life, but your hypocrisy in asserting “but Hunter Biden!” To try to impugn his father in the face of the Trump family’s flagrant conduct over the last four years has reached comical levels.

Why, then, should the media not have reported this BEFORE the election.  Why should they not have investigated Tony Bobulinski's accounts, none of which have been debunked to date, not even by the MSM (who have lost their credibility in "debunking").

Why, then, was it OK for Twitter to delete all reTweeting of the story on Hunter Biden and Tony Bobulinski done before the election.  The story isn't false, and we know this now.  Hunter Biden has been under investigation for years now; why wasn't this mentioned before the election?  It was a legitimate story, and a story that would have been on the front pages of all major newspapers if it had involved a Republican candidate's son?

There's no defense for THAT.  There's no defense for the full-scale blocking and censoring of the Hunter Biden story until the election was in the bag.  None.  It's one of any number of indefensible acts by the MSM during this election cycle.  Now even the MSM says this is an accurate story, and a story whose accuracy they could have easily confirmed months ago.  They suppressed it because the MSM were political activists on behalf of Biden during this past election.  Now I realize that many here can't tell the difference between journalism and activism.  I realize that others can very well tell the difference and present journalism as activism anyway.  The prevalence of the latter is just one more reason why an overwhelming number of Republicans don't believe that the administration of the past election was fair and just. 

It’s actually amazing how you will respond to these posts that I, SteveRogers, and other posters have been saying but then dodge our point about how Trump and his family having been reported committing similar if not worse finical crimes the past 4 years and you having been okay with it the whole time because you clearly know you have no good defense

[Fuzzy Bear]

It's going to be VERY hard to rebuild trust with the Trump cult, because a large amount of them LIKE not trusting the media and aren't interested anymore in trusting a hypoethetical "honest media".

They SHOULDN'T trust the media.  The media misrepresents THEM as well as Trump.

We have people on this forum who assert that anyone who merely voted for Trump is a horrible person by definition.  They get this from media accounts, multiple sources, over and over.  Trump is NEVER right (according to the mass media) and their Worldview is presented, putting forth the urgency of not only ridding ourselves of Trump, but of his supporters as well.

I would very much like an "honest media".  An "honest media" would have already required Joe Biden to clarify his statements that he knew nothing of his son Hunter's business dealings in Ukraine when there is clear evidence that he did.  A routine inconsistency; why won't mainstream reporters bring clarification?  (Biden hasn't denied it yet, he just blasts the reporters as "smearing" him.)  That's a small bit of honesty, but we don't even get that.  An "honest media" would certainly confront Trump, and Trump has certainly done things that merit confrontation, but so had Obama.  The title of Bernard Goldberg's book, A Slobbering Love Affair, was an accurate description of the media's treatment of Obama.  If Goldberg wrote a book about the media's treatment of Trump, it would be The Granddaddy Of All Beatdowns.  

Actually Fuzzy the reason we think Trumpers are bad people is not because of “the media” but because of the rest of your post. You’ve been defending Trump’s corruption for 4 years now jumping through hoop after hoop to defend him and then without any shame have gone on and on about how Hunter Biden’s Ukraine business is the most corrupt thing ever shows how much of a bad faith hypocrite you are. Which you aren’t alone with it’s been 4 years of constant trolling and bad faith arguments in defense of a moral repugnant man who launched an all out assault on our democratic norms from Trumpers that definitely lead one to the conclusion you’re not good good people. CNN or MSNBC didn’t lead to this conclusion. You all did that to yourselves.

Other than the fact that Hunter Biden is presumed innocent until proven guilty, I don't see how this post is aging well.

Anyone calling out Hunter Biden in the media, on social media, etc. has been right to do so.  Those condemning us for do so only wished to deflect that legitimate bad press that he's getting today.  Hunter Biden has been under investigation for two (2) years.  Given what is "leaked" on a daily basis, it's kind of hard to believe that actual confirmation of this by the MSM hasn't occurred until just now.

Fuzzy, you understand that Trump actually pockets the profits from businesses run by his children who peddle his name to do business overseas, right?

No one is claiming to be able to prove that Hunter Biden has lived a squeaky clean life, but your hypocrisy in asserting “but Hunter Biden!” To try to impugn his father in the face of the Trump family’s flagrant conduct over the last four years has reached comical levels.

Why, then, should the media not have reported this BEFORE the election.  Why should they not have investigated Tony Bobulinski's accounts, none of which have been debunked to date, not even by the MSM (who have lost their credibility in "debunking").

Why, then, was it OK for Twitter to delete all reTweeting of the story on Hunter Biden and Tony Bobulinski done before the election.  The story isn't false, and we know this now.  Hunter Biden has been under investigation for years now; why wasn't this mentioned before the election?  It was a legitimate story, and a story that would have been on the front pages of all major newspapers if it had involved a Republican candidate's son?

There's no defense for THAT.  There's no defense for the full-scale blocking and censoring of the Hunter Biden story until the election was in the bag.  None.  It's one of any number of indefensible acts by the MSM during this election cycle.  Now even the MSM says this is an accurate story, and a story whose accuracy they could have easily confirmed months ago.  They suppressed it because the MSM were political activists on behalf of Biden during this past election.  Now I realize that many here can't tell the difference between journalism and activism.  I realize that others can very well tell the difference and present journalism as activism anyway.  The prevalence of the latter is just one more reason why an overwhelming number of Republicans don't believe that the administration of the past election was fair and just. 

It’s actually amazing how you will respond to these posts that I, SteveRogers, and other posters have been saying but then dodge our point about how Trump and his family having been reported committing similar if not worse finical crimes the past 4 years and you having been okay with it the whole time because you clearly know you have no good defense

Your points have been "investigated" by the media.  None of it reveals "crimes".  There are investigations going on that are regularly reported on by the media, no matter how little actual information is turned up (e. g. Letitia James's investigation in NY of the Trump Organization). 

Yet this information was censored and not covered by the MSM until now, after the election.  Why?  Russiagate, Emoluments Clause probes, Ukraine, et al, have all led the news cycle, but here's Joe Biden, who's active in government when Hunter Biden began his foreign business dealings in a country where Joe Biden was Obama's "point man".  You've not given a good reason to explain why the investigative news media should suppress such a story, especially when it's one they KNOW to be valid and legitimate.

With all that effort, no specific "crimes" have been alleged, no grand juries impaneled, no charges brought.  "Crimies" involve those things.  Hunter Biden, on the other hand, has two (2) active criminal probes going on as I worsen my Carpal Tunnel Syndrome typing this.

You're also engaging in "whataboutism".  Now I'm OK with that for others.  People should be required to explain inconsistencies in their reasoning, not just Republicans.  Please explain why Hunter Biden's story should have been suppressed prior to the election.  That's a fair question.  Some of what is considered the "rotting of the Republican mind" is the insistence that this inconsistency be explained by those who are OK with it.

[Hindsight was 2020]

It's going to be VERY hard to rebuild trust with the Trump cult, because a large amount of them LIKE not trusting the media and aren't interested anymore in trusting a hypoethetical "honest media".

They SHOULDN'T trust the media.  The media misrepresents THEM as well as Trump.

We have people on this forum who assert that anyone who merely voted for Trump is a horrible person by definition.  They get this from media accounts, multiple sources, over and over.  Trump is NEVER right (according to the mass media) and their Worldview is presented, putting forth the urgency of not only ridding ourselves of Trump, but of his supporters as well.

I would very much like an "honest media".  An "honest media" would have already required Joe Biden to clarify his statements that he knew nothing of his son Hunter's business dealings in Ukraine when there is clear evidence that he did.  A routine inconsistency; why won't mainstream reporters bring clarification?  (Biden hasn't denied it yet, he just blasts the reporters as "smearing" him.)  That's a small bit of honesty, but we don't even get that.  An "honest media" would certainly confront Trump, and Trump has certainly done things that merit confrontation, but so had Obama.  The title of Bernard Goldberg's book, A Slobbering Love Affair, was an accurate description of the media's treatment of Obama.  If Goldberg wrote a book about the media's treatment of Trump, it would be The Granddaddy Of All Beatdowns.  

Actually Fuzzy the reason we think Trumpers are bad people is not because of “the media” but because of the rest of your post. You’ve been defending Trump’s corruption for 4 years now jumping through hoop after hoop to defend him and then without any shame have gone on and on about how Hunter Biden’s Ukraine business is the most corrupt thing ever shows how much of a bad faith hypocrite you are. Which you aren’t alone with it’s been 4 years of constant trolling and bad faith arguments in defense of a moral repugnant man who launched an all out assault on our democratic norms from Trumpers that definitely lead one to the conclusion you’re not good good people. CNN or MSNBC didn’t lead to this conclusion. You all did that to yourselves.

Other than the fact that Hunter Biden is presumed innocent until proven guilty, I don't see how this post is aging well.

Anyone calling out Hunter Biden in the media, on social media, etc. has been right to do so.  Those condemning us for do so only wished to deflect that legitimate bad press that he's getting today.  Hunter Biden has been under investigation for two (2) years.  Given what is "leaked" on a daily basis, it's kind of hard to believe that actual confirmation of this by the MSM hasn't occurred until just now.

Fuzzy, you understand that Trump actually pockets the profits from businesses run by his children who peddle his name to do business overseas, right?

No one is claiming to be able to prove that Hunter Biden has lived a squeaky clean life, but your hypocrisy in asserting “but Hunter Biden!” To try to impugn his father in the face of the Trump family’s flagrant conduct over the last four years has reached comical levels.

Why, then, should the media not have reported this BEFORE the election.  Why should they not have investigated Tony Bobulinski's accounts, none of which have been debunked to date, not even by the MSM (who have lost their credibility in "debunking").

Why, then, was it OK for Twitter to delete all reTweeting of the story on Hunter Biden and Tony Bobulinski done before the election.  The story isn't false, and we know this now.  Hunter Biden has been under investigation for years now; why wasn't this mentioned before the election?  It was a legitimate story, and a story that would have been on the front pages of all major newspapers if it had involved a Republican candidate's son?

There's no defense for THAT.  There's no defense for the full-scale blocking and censoring of the Hunter Biden story until the election was in the bag.  None.  It's one of any number of indefensible acts by the MSM during this election cycle.  Now even the MSM says this is an accurate story, and a story whose accuracy they could have easily confirmed months ago.  They suppressed it because the MSM were political activists on behalf of Biden during this past election.  Now I realize that many here can't tell the difference between journalism and activism.  I realize that others can very well tell the difference and present journalism as activism anyway.  The prevalence of the latter is just one more reason why an overwhelming number of Republicans don't believe that the administration of the past election was fair and just. 

It’s actually amazing how you will respond to these posts that I, SteveRogers, and other posters have been saying but then dodge our point about how Trump and his family having been reported committing similar if not worse finical crimes the past 4 years and you having been okay with it the whole time because you clearly know you have no good defense

Your points have been "investigated" by the media.  None of it reveals "crimes".  There are investigations going on that are regularly reported on by the media, no matter how little actual information is turned up (e. g. Letitia James's investigation in NY of the Trump Organization). 

Yet this information was censored and not covered by the MSM until now, after the election.  Why?  Russiagate, Emoluments Clause probes, Ukraine, et al, have all led the news cycle, but here's Joe Biden, who's active in government when Hunter Biden began his foreign business dealings in a country where Joe Biden was Obama's "point man".  You've not given a good reason to explain why the investigative news media should suppress such a story, especially when it's one they KNOW to be valid and legitimate.

With all that effort, no specific "crimes" have been alleged, no grand juries impaneled, no charges brought.  "Crimies" involve those things.  Hunter Biden, on the other hand, has two (2) active criminal probes going on as I worsen my Carpal Tunnel Syndrome typing this.

You're also engaging in "whataboutism".  Now I'm OK with that for others.  People should be required to explain inconsistencies in their reasoning, not just Republicans.  Please explain why Hunter Biden's story should have been suppressed prior to the election.  That's a fair question.  Some of what is considered the "rotting of the Republican mind" is the insistence that this inconsistency be explained by those who are OK with it.

The story in question is about Hunter not disclosing money he received in his taxes which is something Trump has been caught doing in the NYT tax returns so by your own logic Hunter hasn’t committed a crime so what are you whining about?

[Former President tack50]

If Joe Biden has commited a crime, Congress can and should impeach and remove him from office. But first there needs to be good evidence and a trial ran by Congress.

If Hunter Biden has commited a crime similarly, wouldn't the US justice system eventually put him behind bars?

Hell, even in the most corrupt scenario of Joe pardoning Hunter; which would be legal, I would trust the American public to ditch Joe Biden in 2024 (or alternatively for Biden to lose the Democratic primary).

[Torie]

Arguments that devolve into well you say X sucks, but Y sucks even more, and you don't want to admit that, so you suck the most of all, is well ... entropy lane.

[Fuzzy Bear]

If Joe Biden has commited a crime, Congress can and should impeach and remove him from office. But first there needs to be good evidence and a trial ran by Congress.

If Hunter Biden has commited a crime similarly, wouldn't the US justice system eventually put him behind bars?

Hell, even in the most corrupt scenario of Joe pardoning Hunter; which would be legal, I would trust the American public to ditch Joe Biden in 2024 (or alternatively for Biden to lose the Democratic primary).

My issue is the media's stifling of a legitimate story that deserved investigation and discussion BEFORE the election.

Hunter Biden is under two (2) Federal Criminal investigations.  There is an allegation, made in a sworn statement that Joe Biden knew of Hunter's business activities.  If it's not a crime, it's certainly a direct contradiction of statements Joe Biden made to the effect that Joe Biden lied when he said he knew nothing of his knowledge of his son's activities and beg the question of how much of Hunter's business Joe knew about while he was VP.

Why should that story have been suppressed or delayed to the point that it was.  It was removed from Twitter; why did that happen?  Was that right?  Why was it right if you say it was?

[Former President tack50]

If Joe Biden has commited a crime, Congress can and should impeach and remove him from office. But first there needs to be good evidence and a trial ran by Congress.

If Hunter Biden has commited a crime similarly, wouldn't the US justice system eventually put him behind bars?

Hell, even in the most corrupt scenario of Joe pardoning Hunter; which would be legal, I would trust the American public to ditch Joe Biden in 2024 (or alternatively for Biden to lose the Democratic primary).

My issue is the media's stifling of a legitimate story that deserved investigation and discussion BEFORE the election.

Hunter Biden is under two (2) Federal Criminal investigations.  There is an allegation, made in a sworn statement that Joe Biden knew of Hunter's business activities.  If it's not a crime, it's certainly a direct contradiction of statements Joe Biden made to the effect that Joe Biden lied when he said he knew nothing of his knowledge of his son's activities and beg the question of how much of Hunter's business Joe knew about while he was VP.

Why should that story have been suppressed or delayed to the point that it was.  It was removed from Twitter; why did that happen?  Was that right?  Why was it right if you say it was?

Lying on the campaign trail is immoral; but it is not illegal. It is not even an impeachable offence, but rather something that should be dealt with in 2024. I don't get the point? Even if Biden did know his son was doing crimes and lied to the US public, so what?

In that scenario I would trust the American people to ditch Biden (whether on the Dem primary, the general election, or Biden simply not running for reelection out of shame). Or to tolerate corruption; whatever the American people desire, it wouldn't be the first or last time a corrupt politician gets reelected.

As for the media and Twitter, there is a very interesting debate here on freedom of the press vs bias and fake news to be had; but I don't think the president can do much about it; certainly not unilaterally.

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

No respect for McConnell from me. No gesture of unity from me. Not until he makes it right with those of us who supported Democratic Senate candidates for the comments of his allies, and some of his own.  And not until he calls out by name who destroyed the integrity of the judiciary and the Senate as an institution (himself).

HOWEVER, I will not be respecting Joe Biden or acknowledging his presidency either. That honor belongs to his son Hunter, who relates more to the average American on account of his cocaine use. Just like my hero Mike Lindell, Hunter is living proof that you can have a good time and still be successful in this great country of ours. We are fortunate for his presence, and I thank the good Lord for breathing life into this great model of a human being.

It's a beautiful thing.

[7,052,770]

If Joe Biden has commited a crime, Congress can and should impeach and remove him from office. But first there needs to be good evidence and a trial ran by Congress.

If Hunter Biden has commited a crime similarly, wouldn't the US justice system eventually put him behind bars?

Hell, even in the most corrupt scenario of Joe pardoning Hunter; which would be legal, I would trust the American public to ditch Joe Biden in 2024 (or alternatively for Biden to lose the Democratic primary).

My issue is the media's stifling of a legitimate story that deserved investigation and discussion BEFORE the election.

Hunter Biden is under two (2) Federal Criminal investigations.  There is an allegation, made in a sworn statement that Joe Biden knew of Hunter's business activities.  If it's not a crime, it's certainly a direct contradiction of statements Joe Biden made to the effect that Joe Biden lied when he said he knew nothing of his knowledge of his son's activities and beg the question of how much of Hunter's business Joe knew about while he was VP.

Why should that story have been suppressed or delayed to the point that it was.  It was removed from Twitter; why did that happen?  Was that right?  Why was it right if you say it was?

You only think it's a "legitimate story" because you have foolishly put your trust into sketchy right-wing #FakeNews websites whose purpose is to dupe gullible people by telling them what they want to hear. In the real world, there's no story there. It's fake.

[Fuzzy Bear]

If Joe Biden has commited a crime, Congress can and should impeach and remove him from office. But first there needs to be good evidence and a trial ran by Congress.

If Hunter Biden has commited a crime similarly, wouldn't the US justice system eventually put him behind bars?

Hell, even in the most corrupt scenario of Joe pardoning Hunter; which would be legal, I would trust the American public to ditch Joe Biden in 2024 (or alternatively for Biden to lose the Democratic primary).

My issue is the media's stifling of a legitimate story that deserved investigation and discussion BEFORE the election.

Hunter Biden is under two (2) Federal Criminal investigations.  There is an allegation, made in a sworn statement that Joe Biden knew of Hunter's business activities.  If it's not a crime, it's certainly a direct contradiction of statements Joe Biden made to the effect that Joe Biden lied when he said he knew nothing of his knowledge of his son's activities and beg the question of how much of Hunter's business Joe knew about while he was VP.

Why should that story have been suppressed or delayed to the point that it was.  It was removed from Twitter; why did that happen?  Was that right?  Why was it right if you say it was?

You only think it's a "legitimate story" because you have foolishly put your trust into sketchy right-wing #FakeNews websites whose purpose is to dupe gullible people by telling them what they want to hear. In the real world, there's no story there. It's fake.

God, you're a hack.

Please don't tell me you're not.  You, Hindsight is 2020, Badger; you're all Democratic hacks.  I make no bones that I'm a Trump supporter.  You (and others) ought to own your own hackishness.  Give me that much fresh air.

[Joe Republic]

as I worsen my Carpal Tunnel Syndrome typing this.

So... don’t?

As a Trump supporter, you’re furiously throwing pebbles from within the safe confines of a glass house that has no intact panes left, and everybody here is watching you doing so with an expression of exasperated bemusement.  Perhaps stop wasting your time, and focus instead on your physical and emotional health?  This election has taken a heavy toll on you.

[Fuzzy Bear]

as I worsen my Carpal Tunnel Syndrome typing this.

So... don’t?

As a Trump supporter, you’re furiously throwing pebbles from within the safe confines of a glass house that has no intact panes left, and everybody here is watching you doing so with an expression of exasperated bemusement.  Perhaps stop wasting your time, and focus instead on your physical and emotional health?  This election has taken a heavy toll on you.

Show me your Psy.D. credentials.

Don't have 'em?  No surprise there.

[Joe Republic]

Why do you insist on responding to me with non sequiturs?

[7,052,770]

God, you're a hack.

Please don't tell me you're not.  You, Hindsight is 2020, Badger; you're all Democratic hacks.  I make no bones that I'm a Trump supporter.  You (and others) ought to own your own hackishness.  Give me that much fresh air.

I live in the real world, something you could come back into by getting off Facebook and "Newsbusters."

Did you also demand that the media seriously consider that Rafael Cruz might have helped kill JFK? Just because Trump makes up ridiculous and baseless accusations against Ted Cruz's father or Joe Biden's son doesn't mean that they automatically have merit. Both of them were easily dismissed by anyone looking into them, just like literally thousands of other nonsense allegations Trump has made over the last 5 years.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Why do you insist on responding to me with non sequiturs?

You're only trying to further insult me.  Such responses in your case is all you deserve.

[Joe Republic]

Why do you insist on responding to me with non sequiturs?

You're only trying to further insult me.

Not especially.  You just admitted that posting here (at the volume that you do) is paying a physical toll on you.

Your lengthy articulations of conspiracy theories you’ve seen on sketchy blogs posing as news sources isn’t convincing anybody here.  Even your adolescent (former) sycophants here are concerned you've gone way off the deep end recently.

So take a break!  I would start with Facebook though, for sure, if we're still speaking of the "rotting of the Republican/Boomer mind".

[Fuzzy Bear]

Why do you insist on responding to me with non sequiturs?

You're only trying to further insult me.

Not especially.  You just admitted that posting here (at the volume that you do) is paying a physical toll on you.

Your lengthy articulations of conspiracy theories you’ve seen on sketchy blogs posing as news sources isn’t convincing anybody here.  Even your adolescent (former) sycophants here are concerned you've gone way off the deep end recently.

So take a break!  I would start with Facebook though, for sure, if we're still speaking of the "rotting of the Republican/Boomer mind".

I don't take advise from people who are hostile to me.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Why do you insist on responding to me with non sequiturs?

You're only trying to further insult me.

Not especially.  You just admitted that posting here (at the volume that you do) is paying a physical toll on you.

Your lengthy articulations of conspiracy theories you’ve seen on sketchy blogs posing as news sources isn’t convincing anybody here.  Even your adolescent (former) sycophants here are concerned you've gone way off the deep end recently.

So take a break!  I would start with Facebook though, for sure, if we're still speaking of the "rotting of the Republican/Boomer mind".

I don't take advise from people who are hostile to me.

Fuzzy, I've been fed up with you lately but I wouldn't call myself hostile to you. I share Joe's concerns and I agree with him that a news sabbatical would do you a world of good. There's no shame in it; I had one that lasted almost a year and a half starting a few months into Trump's term.

[beaver2.0]

Facebook and social media in general seem to have proven themselves pretty colossal failures.  As great as the social connections they allow are, the fact blatant falsehoods and conspiracy theories have spread so far makes me think these things have, so far, been a net negative for society.

[Badger]

It's going to be VERY hard to rebuild trust with the Trump cult, because a large amount of them LIKE not trusting the media and aren't interested anymore in trusting a hypoethetical "honest media".

They SHOULDN'T trust the media.  The media misrepresents THEM as well as Trump.

We have people on this forum who assert that anyone who merely voted for Trump is a horrible person by definition.  They get this from media accounts, multiple sources, over and over.  Trump is NEVER right (according to the mass media) and their Worldview is presented, putting forth the urgency of not only ridding ourselves of Trump, but of his supporters as well.

I would very much like an "honest media".  An "honest media" would have already required Joe Biden to clarify his statements that he knew nothing of his son Hunter's business dealings in Ukraine when there is clear evidence that he did.  A routine inconsistency; why won't mainstream reporters bring clarification?  (Biden hasn't denied it yet, he just blasts the reporters as "smearing" him.)  That's a small bit of honesty, but we don't even get that.  An "honest media" would certainly confront Trump, and Trump has certainly done things that merit confrontation, but so had Obama.  The title of Bernard Goldberg's book, A Slobbering Love Affair, was an accurate description of the media's treatment of Obama.  If Goldberg wrote a book about the media's treatment of Trump, it would be The Granddaddy Of All Beatdowns.  

Actually Fuzzy the reason we think Trumpers are bad people is not because of “the media” but because of the rest of your post. You’ve been defending Trump’s corruption for 4 years now jumping through hoop after hoop to defend him and then without any shame have gone on and on about how Hunter Biden’s Ukraine business is the most corrupt thing ever shows how much of a bad faith hypocrite you are. Which you aren’t alone with it’s been 4 years of constant trolling and bad faith arguments in defense of a moral repugnant man who launched an all out assault on our democratic norms from Trumpers that definitely lead one to the conclusion you’re not good good people. CNN or MSNBC didn’t lead to this conclusion. You all did that to yourselves.

Other than the fact that Hunter Biden is presumed innocent until proven guilty, I don't see how this post is aging well.

Anyone calling out Hunter Biden in the media, on social media, etc. has been right to do so.  Those condemning us for do so only wished to deflect that legitimate bad press that he's getting today.  Hunter Biden has been under investigation for two (2) years.  Given what is "leaked" on a daily basis, it's kind of hard to believe that actual confirmation of this by the MSM hasn't occurred until just now.

The majority of voters, as shown by last month's election, didn't care about, or were ambivalent about Hunter Biden and his misdeeds-if they even know who he is to begin with.

That's because the story was stated by the MSM as being "debunked", "Russian disinformation", a conspiracy theory" and such.  The MSM ignored the issue, never questioned Biden about it, and ratpacked the one reporter (Bo Erickson of CBS News) who actually asked Biden about the question.

Since the story has made it to the MSM, polling has indicated that 10% of Biden voters would have switched their vote if they had been aware of the story and what it entailed.  Is that unreasonable to believe?  Certainly not, given what Hunter Biden has allegedly done.  Certainly not, given the FACT that Hunter Biden is, and has been, under a criminal probe (actually two (2) separate criminal probes at this writing).  Facts change things.  The voters SHOULD have known who Hunter Biden was.  The MSM should have told him.  That they didn't, that they chose to be activists rather than reporters, is why voters are in this position.

I'm sorry, I didn't understand your post because I'm not fluent in cultist.

[ProudModerate2]

... They suppressed it because the MSM were political activists on behalf of Biden during this past election.  Now I realize that many here can't tell the difference between journalism and activism.  I realize that others can very well tell the difference and present journalism as activism anyway.  The prevalence of the latter is just one more reason why an overwhelming number of Republicans don't believe that the administration of the past election was fair and just.

LOL.
To think that because a certain website or media outlet didn't share a story, makes an election "unfair" or fraudulent is absurd.
What a crock of s***.
Fox News ran a boat-load of BS stories on "Hunter Biden" day and night for weeks. How much more do you want?

[darklordoftech]

If you care more about Hillary’s emails than you do about taxes, don’t be surprised when people don’t take you seriously.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1338680328395907077?ref_src=twsrc%5Etf...