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« on: February 13, 2021, 08:26:23 PM »

I disagree with OP here. Hitler absolutely rose to power due to having the support of a plurality of Germans. This isn't a case of "too much democracy," however. It's a case of "German society was systemically antisemitic and racist and happily voted in Nazism because they wanted it."

Germany was not uniquely anti-Semitic compared to most other European countries nor was anti-Semitism their main appeal to most of their voters (as opposed to a core base of ideologues and true believers).

This is true. Wilhelmine Germany in the early 20th century was fairly tolerant of Jews; it was not Germany but Russia that was the home of terrible pogroms and persecution. My great-grandfather was a German Jew who served in World War I and won medals (the Iron Cross), something that would not have been possible for the Russian Jewish side of my father's family.

Protocols of the Elders of Zion was forged by Russian intelligence, and we know who all were influenced by that from the Nazis, to Henry Ford, to the Middle East.
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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2021, 11:13:07 PM »

Hitler got himself elected by fooling everybody.

In a way the whole of NSDAP was basically a plot by middle class nationalists to fool working and lower middle class voters and lure them away from Marxist socialism by scapegoating the Jewish People. In the end I agree with the videos by the Time Ghost YouTube channel as they described Nazi Germany as a purely criminal regime that basically amounted to internal chaos with multiple actors and agencies competing for the same resources to accomplish the same objective to please Hitler the most and in the process of doing so stealing and pocketing as much as possible along the way like the stolen art pieces, gold, wine collections and many other articles of wealth.
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2021, 02:04:40 AM »

OK, it is correct to say that Hitler became the chancellor through a legal way, because his rise to power was allowed by the Weimar constitution. But his victory was possible because the Weimar constitution had loopholes.
It was not a classic coup like the one which happened in Chile in 1973.
On the other hand, it would be a misleading view to say that Hitler won a free and fair electoral process, like the modern ones, in which all the parties are free and safe to make the campaigns, the leaders of the parties are free to choose the coalitions. It was not like Merkel's victories, in free and fair elections, in which all the parties try to convince the voters, the plurality decides for the CDU and the parties learder are free to build the coalitions.

Germany was already not living in a normal democracy in 1932, when Hindnburg and Von Papen had special powers. The SA was already on the streets using fear as a strategy. The police force of Prussia (republic's largest state) was already controlled by the far-right since July 1932.

Goehring was already in charge of Prussia correct?
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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2021, 07:27:46 PM »

OK, it is correct to say that Hitler became the chancellor through a legal way, because his rise to power was allowed by the Weimar constitution. But his victory was possible because the Weimar constitution had loopholes.
It was not a classic coup like the one which happened in Chile in 1973.
On the other hand, it would be a misleading view to say that Hitler won a free and fair electoral process, like the modern ones, in which all the parties are free and safe to make the campaigns, the leaders of the parties are free to choose the coalitions. It was not like Merkel's victories, in free and fair elections, in which all the parties try to convince the voters, the plurality decides for the CDU and the parties learder are free to build the coalitions.

Germany was already not living in a normal democracy in 1932, when Hindnburg and Von Papen had special powers. The SA was already on the streets using fear as a strategy. The police force of Prussia (republic's largest state) was already controlled by the far-right since July 1932.

Goehring was already in charge of Prussia correct?

No, Göring was appointed as in charge of Prussia after Hitler was appointed as chancellor.

For some reason I thought it was before. I always get the timely mixed up.
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