Echelon-Insights Poll : Senate control split at 45/45, voters fear a democratic trifecta
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
April 29, 2024, 11:29:35 PM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion
  Congressional Elections (Moderators: Brittain33, GeorgiaModerate, Gass3268, Virginiá, Gracile)
  Echelon-Insights Poll : Senate control split at 45/45, voters fear a democratic trifecta
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2
Author Topic: Echelon-Insights Poll : Senate control split at 45/45, voters fear a democratic trifecta  (Read 1474 times)
Frenchrepublican
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,275


P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: November 23, 2020, 05:41:47 PM »
« edited: November 23, 2020, 05:51:00 PM by Frenchrepublican »

These numbers are a bit different from the other poll done by Harris for The Hill which had the partisan preference for the Senate at 44D / 56R ; still these numbers could be challenging for democrats especially considering that more Biden voters are open at the idea of a split government than Trump ones.



Also contrary to a common idea in the progressive world (AOC & co) many liberal ideas are not exactly uber popular, at least according to this poll, which should give pause to the theory that Sanders/Warren would have won in a landslide, contrary to Biden.



Logged
MT Treasurer
IndyRep
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 15,276
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2020, 05:44:24 PM »

It’s not a good sign for Democrats that their numbers are already this underwhelming when Trump hasn’t even left office yet.
Logged
Pericles
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 17,110


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2020, 05:47:18 PM »

What are the top messages for a Dem trifecta? Hopefully this isn't a push poll.
Logged
GALeftist
sansymcsansface
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,741


Political Matrix
E: -7.29, S: -9.48

P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2020, 05:48:52 PM »

These questions are absurdly leading. Phrase "full control" as "punishing obstructionism" and "defunding" as "common sense reform" and I guarantee another 10% of voters support it. Frankly, I'm pretty surprised that 37% of Americans support or at least don't care much about "moving the country in the direction of socialism."
Logged
WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,577
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2020, 05:51:09 PM »

This is an obvious push poll. Wouldn’t read too much into it. If anything, the fact that this is only a tie, with all those “questions” (most of which are blatant GOP talking points) is a decent sign for Democrats. But I wouldn’t read too much into it either way.
Logged
No War, but the War on Christmas
iBizzBee
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 5,907

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2020, 05:52:19 PM »

What are these junk questions.  Angry
Logged
Frenchrepublican
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,275


P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2020, 05:53:51 PM »

These questions are absurdly leading. Phrase "full control" as "punishing obstructionism" and "defunding" as "common sense reform" and I guarantee another 10% of voters support it. Frankly, I'm pretty surprised that 37% of Americans support or at least don't care much about "moving the country in the direction of socialism."

You have a big third of the US electorate which would prefer a socialist economy to a capitalist one.

Logged
Frenchrepublican
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,275


P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2020, 05:57:25 PM »

This is an obvious push poll. Wouldn’t read too much into it. If anything, the fact that this is only a tie, with all those “questions” (most of which are blatant GOP talking points) is a decent sign for Democrats. But I wouldn’t read too much into it either way.

Yeah we know every future election will be a blue wave, you have just to run bold progressives.
Logged
WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,577
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2020, 06:04:40 PM »
« Edited: November 23, 2020, 06:11:38 PM by Western Democrat »

This is an obvious push poll. Wouldn’t read too much into it. If anything, the fact that this is only a tie, with all those “questions” (most of which are blatant GOP talking points) is a decent sign for Democrats. But I wouldn’t read too much into it either way.

Yeah we know every future election will be a blue wave, you have just to run bold progressives.

No, every election isn’t going to be a blue wave, nor does running progressives win you elections. My point is the questions in this poll aren’t exactly from a non-biased perspective, so it wouldn’t hurt to take it with a grain of salt.
Logged
jamestroll
jamespol
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 10,520


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2020, 06:25:14 PM »

It’s not a good sign for Democrats that their numbers are already this underwhelming when Trump hasn’t even left office yet.

See why I am skeptical of Safe D VA Gov claims?
Logged
Hope For A New Era
EastOfEden
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,719


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2020, 06:57:29 PM »

What a joke those questions are. They're basically quotes from fearmongering Republican ads.

Junk it!
Logged
ProgressiveModerate
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 13,740


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2020, 07:06:02 PM »

Lol, for a second I thought several senators died of COVID or smtg and we were back down to a 45-45 senate
Logged
Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers
olawakandi
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 88,720
Jamaica
Political Matrix
E: -6.84, S: -0.17


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2020, 08:14:39 PM »

If D's assume the Trifecta there is alot that they can do thru Reconciliation but not every bill can go thru Reconciliation except for fiscal matters like Stimulus unless Manchin changes his mind on Filibuster and allows DC Statehood
Logged
Progressive Pessimist
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 33,200
United States


Political Matrix
E: -6.71, S: -7.65

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2020, 08:31:00 PM »

Yeah, of course, now deficits and checks and balances matter. Give me a f***ing break. We're a country full of obstinate idiots.
Logged
Arizona Iced Tea
Minute Maid Juice
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 5,778


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2020, 09:38:13 PM »

If Ds win the trifecta they will expand the SCOTUS and make DC a state, that is why Rs need to save the senate at all costs, to protect conservative policies.
Logged
Pyro
PyroTheFox
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,705
United States


WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2020, 10:11:47 PM »

These questions are hilarious. Even with the right-wing scare framing, they still are having difficulty proving uniform consensus. 36% "Not Concerned" about "moving in the direction of socialism", 37% for "Opening up the border." I have a feeling they were hoping for 80-90% disapproval on these.

Anyway, the only point that matters here is the 6% of Biden voters who support Republican control of the Senate, and the 7% who are unsure. Biden and the Democrats need to emphasize that their fight goes beyond Trump, and that a McConnell-controlled Senate will prevent Covid relief from passing. To satisfy the 'checks and balances' suburbanites, just gesture to Manchin and Sinema.
Logged
Frenchrepublican
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,275


P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2020, 08:05:37 AM »

What are the top messages for a Dem trifecta? Hopefully this isn't a push poll.

It’s not a push poll, by the way the sample is Biden voters +5.
Logged
Figueira
84285
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,173


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2020, 08:19:48 AM »

If Ds win the trifecta they will expand the SCOTUS and make DC a state, that is why Rs need to save the senate at all costs, to protect conservative policies.

Oh yeah, that would really be terrible if those...urban people had representation in Congress!
Logged
Mr.Phips
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,546


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2020, 08:21:36 AM »

This really just shows that Democrats are going to have to continually point to Republican control of the Senate as the reason for nothing getting done in Washington (especially during a time of crisis).  Will they actually be competent enough to do this?  Doubtful.
Logged
Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers
olawakandi
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 88,720
Jamaica
Political Matrix
E: -6.84, S: -0.17


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2020, 08:24:54 AM »

Feinstein resigning helps D's in GA, Feinstein was the naysayer on Filibuster Reform and as Ranking Member on a Judiciary Cmittee you have to go with the Progressive wing of your party which will put pressure on Manchin should Ds assume the majority. He said he was against it but he can change that, he said that on Twittee
Logged
Frenchrepublican
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,275


P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2020, 12:04:00 PM »

If Ds win the trifecta they will expand the SCOTUS and make DC a state, that is why Rs need to save the senate at all costs, to protect conservative policies.

Oh yeah, that would really be terrible if those...urban people had representation in Congress!


People of DC have representation in the House which is the popular chamber of Congress (aka the people's chamber), but as DC has never been intented to be a state it is logical you have no senator from the district.
Logged
GALeftist
sansymcsansface
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,741


Political Matrix
E: -7.29, S: -9.48

P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2020, 12:09:25 PM »

If Ds win the trifecta they will expand the SCOTUS and make DC a state, that is why Rs need to save the senate at all costs, to protect conservative policies.

Oh yeah, that would really be terrible if those...urban people had representation in Congress!


People of DC have representation in the House which is the popular chamber of Congress (aka the people's chamber), but as DC has never been intented to be a state it is logical you have no senator from the district.

Not voting representation, so it doesn't even matter, and why should someone be disenfranchised based on where they choose to live? The current statehood plan keeps DC stateless, it just makes a new state out of the populated areas.
Logged
Xing
xingkerui
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 30,282
United States


Political Matrix
E: -6.52, S: -3.91

P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2020, 12:11:16 PM »

The fact that voters don't ever "fear" a Republican trifecta shows that Democrats are terrible at campaigning.
Logged
Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers
olawakandi
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 88,720
Jamaica
Political Matrix
E: -6.84, S: -0.17


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2020, 12:40:15 PM »
« Edited: November 24, 2020, 12:46:55 PM by MR. KAYNE WEST »

If Ds win the trifecta they will expand the SCOTUS and make DC a state, that is why Rs need to save the senate at all costs, to protect conservative policies.

Oh yeah, that would really be terrible if those...urban people had representation in Congress!


People of DC have representation in the House which is the popular chamber of Congress (aka the people's chamber), but as DC has never been intented to be a state it is logical you have no senator from the district.

She has no voting power, she wants voting power and the Constitution gives the power to Congress to change a territory to a state.  ALL THE TERRITORIES NOT THE ORIGINAL 13COLONIES WERE ADMITTED FIRST AS TERRITORIES AND BASED ON THEIR ALLEGIANCE TO SLAVERY OR NOT THEY WERE ADMITTED INTO THE UNION. YOUR ARGUMENT FALLS FLAT. CALI AND IL WERENT STATES, THEY WERE TERRITORIES AT FIRST, ANY TERRITORY THAT IS ADMITTED BY CONGRESS CAN BE A STATE
Logged
Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers
olawakandi
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 88,720
Jamaica
Political Matrix
E: -6.84, S: -0.17


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2020, 12:42:24 PM »

The fact that voters don't ever "fear" a Republican trifecta shows that Democrats are terrible at campaigning.

You really believe this poll and Feinstein resigning yesterday helps D causes in GA, she no longer stands in the way of DC statehood if D's get the Trifecta, Chairman DURBIN will usher in DC Statehood
Logged
Pages: [1] 2  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.054 seconds with 12 queries.