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Question: Which party system would you prefer?
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Obama Democrats vs. McConnell Republicans (D)
 
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Obama Democrats vs. McConnell Republicans (R)
 
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Obama Democrats vs. McConnell Republicans (O/I)
 
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Manchin Democrats vs. Bloomberg Republicans (D)
 
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Manchin Democrats vs. Bloomberg Republicans (R)
 
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Manchin Democrats vs. Bloomberg Republicans (O/I)
 
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darklordoftech
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« on: November 21, 2020, 10:56:12 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2020, 11:58:20 PM »

Manchin v Bloomberg (better for democracy)
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2020, 12:47:20 AM »

Manchin Vs Bloomberg.
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2020, 12:50:56 AM »

Manchin Bloomberg if it means stuff will actually get done. I think McConnell has been the chief culprit in destroying the effectiveness of our government.
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2020, 01:18:26 AM »

Manchin and Bloomberg are literally the exact same, so this is basically one party rule
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2020, 05:50:36 AM »

Manchin v Bloomberg (better for democracy)

This. I might actually be closer to being a Republican here, lmao.


Manchin and Bloomberg are literally the exact same, so this is basically one party rule

I disagree. Bloomberg is socially liberal and economically moderate and supports most globalist policies. Manchin is more socially conservative, supports gun rights and less in favor of globalist policies. Bloomberg is also very much pro-environment and renewables, while Manchin is a coal supporter. 
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2020, 07:09:47 AM »

In such a scenario as the latter, Manchin would probably be more left-wing and Bloomberg more right-wing, at least on economics.
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2020, 07:28:29 AM »

But Manchin and Bloomberg are both Dems Huh
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2020, 07:45:53 AM »

"Early 2000's Kucinich" Democrats vs. "Early 2000's Bloomberg" Republicans
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2020, 07:57:36 AM »

But Manchin and Bloomberg are both Dems Huh

I'm surprised this is all you can say when this thread seems like an oremine for your "Blairite is actually far-left etc. etc." thing.
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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2020, 08:49:21 AM »

But Manchin and Bloomberg are both Dems Huh

I'm surprised this is all you can say when this thread seems like an oremine for your "Blairite is actually far-left etc. etc." thing.

I blame the pandemic. Tongue
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2020, 09:35:30 AM »

I like the insane belief many people have that people like Manchin and the old Blue Dogs were politically incorrect yet economically populist types who wanted an expansion of New Deal programs unlike those evil shill ring wing neoliberal effette obama dems who only care about PMC feels. This is a belief that can be quickly rectified, by um, looking at the voting record of the blue dogs.
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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2020, 10:26:32 AM »
« Edited: November 22, 2020, 10:52:28 AM by darklordoftech »

I like the insane belief many people have that people like Manchin and the old Blue Dogs were politically incorrect yet economically populist types who wanted an expansion of New Deal programs unlike those evil shill ring wing neoliberal effette obama dems who only care about PMC feels. This is a belief that can be quickly rectified, by um, looking at the voting record of the blue dogs.
I didnít mean to suggest that Manchin is to the left of Obama ecomomically. I also donít understand why Atlas thinks itís impossible for someone to be for Obamacare but against abortion.
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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2020, 11:06:26 AM »

I like the insane belief many people have that people like Manchin and the old Blue Dogs were politically incorrect yet economically populist types who wanted an expansion of New Deal programs unlike those evil shill ring wing neoliberal effette obama dems who only care about PMC feels. This is a belief that can be quickly rectified, by um, looking at the voting record of the blue dogs.

There's a reason why I answered "early 2000's Kucinich Dems" instead.
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2020, 11:17:00 AM »

I like the insane belief many people have that people like Manchin and the old Blue Dogs were politically incorrect yet economically populist types who wanted an expansion of New Deal programs unlike those evil shill ring wing neoliberal effette obama dems who only care about PMC feels. This is a belief that can be quickly rectified, by um, looking at the voting record of the blue dogs.
I didnít mean to suggest that Manchin is to the left of Obama ecomomically. I also donít understand why Atlas thinks itís impossible for someone to be for Obamacare but against abortion.

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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2020, 11:50:24 AM »

I like the insane belief many people have that people like Manchin and the old Blue Dogs were politically incorrect yet economically populist types who wanted an expansion of New Deal programs unlike those evil shill ring wing neoliberal effette obama dems who only care about PMC feels. This is a belief that can be quickly rectified, by um, looking at the voting record of the blue dogs.
I didnít mean to suggest that Manchin is to the left of Obama ecomomically. I also donít understand why Atlas thinks itís impossible for someone to be for Obamacare but against abortion.

I mean, yeah, it's possible, but practically speaking there are very few actual socially conservative economic leftists around (especially in the atlas understood variant). They were the wreckers during the obamacare era! People like Max Baucus and Ben Nelson were essentially right wing shills, not the William Jennings Bryan radicals people hold dear in their imaginations.
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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2020, 03:14:34 PM »

I'm forced to go with Manchin vs. Bloomberg to get rid of the insanity wing of the GOP, even if it means also getting rid of FF leftists.
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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2020, 03:27:17 PM »

Write In:

New Deal Democrats vs. Rockefeller Republicans
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« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2020, 03:49:10 PM »

write in:

socialist democrats vs Bloomberg republicans
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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2020, 04:30:12 PM »
« Edited: November 22, 2020, 04:46:26 PM by Alcibiades »

I like the insane belief many people have that people like Manchin and the old Blue Dogs were politically incorrect yet economically populist types who wanted an expansion of New Deal programs unlike those evil shill ring wing neoliberal effette obama dems who only care about PMC feels. This is a belief that can be quickly rectified, by um, looking at the voting record of the blue dogs.
I didnít mean to suggest that Manchin is to the left of Obama ecomomically. I also donít understand why Atlas thinks itís impossible for someone to be for Obamacare but against abortion.

I mean, yeah, it's possible, but practically speaking there are very few actual socially conservative economic leftists around (especially in the atlas understood variant). They were the wreckers during the obamacare era! People like Max Baucus and Ben Nelson were essentially right wing shills, not the William Jennings Bryan radicals people hold dear in their imaginations.

Manchinís own shift on Obamacare is telling. In his 2010 campaign, he promised to repeal ďthe bad parts of ObamacareĒ, but in 2018, with the ACA having proven to be far more popular in areas like WV than it seemed in 2010, he ran on a full-throated defence of it.
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« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2020, 04:33:14 PM »

Write-in: a left-wing version of me versus a right-wing version of me.
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« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2020, 04:40:13 PM »

Write-in: a left-wing version of me versus a right-wing version of me.

the world isn't ready for that!
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« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2020, 05:40:41 PM »

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« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2020, 08:25:40 PM »

I like the insane belief many people have that people like Manchin and the old Blue Dogs were politically incorrect yet economically populist types who wanted an expansion of New Deal programs unlike those evil shill ring wing neoliberal effette obama dems who only care about PMC feels. This is a belief that can be quickly rectified, by um, looking at the voting record of the blue dogs.
I didnít mean to suggest that Manchin is to the left of Obama ecomomically. I also donít understand why Atlas thinks itís impossible for someone to be for Obamacare but against abortion.

I mean, yeah, it's possible, but practically speaking there are very few actual socially conservative economic leftists around (especially in the atlas understood variant). They were the wreckers during the obamacare era! People like Max Baucus and Ben Nelson were essentially right wing shills, not the William Jennings Bryan radicals people hold dear in their imaginations.

Joe Lieberman, who killed the public option is a very good example of this.
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« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2020, 09:28:20 PM »

The only meaningful difference between Manchin and Bloomberg is guns and maybe abortion.
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