Wittelsbachs vs. Wettins

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Wittelsbachs for me. The Protestant branch of the family ruling in the Palatinate were massive FFs, especially Frederick V. The Bavarian Wittelsbachs are more mixed, but I think they got better over time. I'm obviously not a fan of their leadership of the Catholic League during the Thirty Years' War, but later on they opposed the Habsburgs in the Wars of the Spanish and Austrian Succession and even seized the Imperial crown for a few years in the latter. I'm also a big fan of the Palatinate-Zweibrücken branch of the family, as they ruled Sweden during the golden age of the Swedish Empire.

As for the Wettins, John George I was a weak ruler who kept switching sides in the Thirty Years' War when he should have been fully committed to the Protestant cause. The later Wettins were even worse, especially Augustus the Strong and his ilk. He converted to Catholicism so he could rule Poland-Lithuania and plunder its resources, but even then the Poles didn't want him and elected the Prince of Conti instead. So Augustus agreed to be a Russian puppet and let the Tsar's troops install him by force, essentially making the Commonwealth a Russian protectorate. The Swedes invaded and put in power the enlightened Stanislaw Leszczyński, but he too was overthrown, not once but twice, the second time in the 1730s when he was fairly elected but the Russians and Austrians wanted Augustus's son who they could more easily control.

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The Wittelsbachs are FFs

Don't the Wettins also include the House of Saxe Coburg Gotha? If so, they're FF too in the Saxe Coburg Gotha line.

Vive le Roi et vive la Belgique ! (For your information, the Saxe Coburg Gothas currently hold the British and Belgian thrones, and we're on the Bulgarian throne until 1946. Funnily enough, the last King of Bulgaria, Simeon II was overthrown at the age of 9 and then came back as Prime Minister 55 years later in 2001. But I'm sure you already knew most of this).

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I don’t think I knew any of that. I’m not very interested in monarchies post-1789.

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Bump.

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I had never heard about the Wettins, at least not with this name.

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I had never heard about the Wettins, at least not with this name.

They were the royal house of Saxony. What else would you call them?

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I had never heard about the Wettins, at least not with this name.

They were the royal house of Saxony. What else would you call them?

Saxony? And later Saxony-Coburg-Gotha.

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I had never heard about the Wettins, at least not with this name.

They were the royal house of Saxony. What else would you call them?

Saxony? And later Saxony-Coburg-Gotha.

But those are completely different lines that split in the 15th century. That are referenced as Albertiner and Ernestiner. So you don't often hear Wettin in an early modern or modern history context.

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I had never heard about the Wettins, at least not with this name.

They were the royal house of Saxony. What else would you call them?

Saxony? And later Saxony-Coburg-Gotha.

But those are completely different lines that split in the 15th century. That are referenced as Albertiner and Ernestiner. So you don't often hear Wettin in an early modern or modern history context.

Differently from HenryWallaceVP, I am more familiar with late modern monarchies and dinasties than with early modern ones (not that I am particularly familiar with either).

[Lechasseur]

I had never heard about the Wettins, at least not with this name.

They were the royal house of Saxony. What else would you call them?

Saxony? And later Saxony-Coburg-Gotha.

But those are completely different lines that split in the 15th century. That are referenced as Albertiner and Ernestiner. So you don't often hear Wettin in an early modern or modern history context.

Differently from HenryWallaceVP, I am more familiar with late modern monarchies and dynasties than with early modern ones

Same, but I'm quite interested in both

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I had never heard about the Wettins, at least not with this name.

They were the royal house of Saxony. What else would you call them?

Saxony? And later Saxony-Coburg-Gotha.

But those are completely different lines that split in the 15th century. That are referenced as Albertiner and Ernestiner. So you don't often hear Wettin in an early modern or modern history context.

Differently from HenryWallaceVP, I am more familiar with late modern monarchies and dynasties than with early modern ones

Same, but I'm quite interested in both

I have come to appreciate both equally.

Prior to my 2015 onward study of the Wars of the Roses, Medieval royalty seemed rather impenetrable to me with its complexity, now by virtue of appreciating the roots, the early and late modern just flows effortless as a river winding its way to the ocean.