PA-SN 2022 megathread: Shrek vs. The Wizard of Oz

[Ferguson97]

https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1554144607532875782

[GoTfan]

https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1554144607532875782

At this point, Oz is either trying to lose or hopelessly incompetent.

[GeorgiaModerate]

TBF, there is actually some truth to his comment about happiness, although he expressed it poorly.  There's an economic concept called "the utility of money" -- see https://tciwealth.com/blog/the-utility-of-money-and-the-concept-of-enough/ for a good explanation.  The basic idea is that the more money you have, the less important to your well-being it is to get $X more.  Or to look at it in the other direction: the less you have, the more harmful it is to lose $X.  For example, suppose you have an unexpected car repair that costs $5K.  If you're struggling to get by, that's a disaster.  If you're doing OK, it's an annoyance.  If you're rich, it's nothing.

[Progressive Pessimist]

This is the most shocking part. Oz has squandered so much time here. And the question is, Oz hasn't done anything to change the trajectory all summer long, so what indication do we have that he's really going to change course in the next 3 months?

https://twitter.com/jimgeraghty/status/1554082722917777408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7...

This is actually a good point. Oz has been out campaigning, Fetterman has not and yet he is being crushed in polls right now. Perhaps it just goes to show the importance of social media as a political tool now.

[Nyvin]

A critical problem for Oz is there's so much media content for Fetterman to work with since he was a TV personality that delivered his own lines.   This makes putting attacks against him into video format incredibly easy.

Fetterman and his staff are also pretty talented at using social media to attack him as well, so that's a problem too.

[Alben Barkley]

People keep saying this race could be like FL-SEN 2018, i.e. defying a wave year otherwise bad for the party that wins in this swing state by the skin of its teeth.

But what if it's more like MI-SEN 2014? Gary Peters outdid his polls and Obama 2012 and won by double digits in an otherwise abysmal year for Democrats. If Oz continues to crash and burn as a candidate, I could see Fetterman winning comfortably being at least as likely as his winning only narrowly. No matter what the overall national environment (which currently looks pretty neutral on the GCB) is like for Democrats.

[President Johnson]

https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1554144607532875782

Sometimes I almost feel like this guy is a Democratic plant.

[Alben Barkley]

LOL I like Fetterman's trolling campaign:

https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1554162699432509442?s=20&t=IFsvRIiA...

[President Johnson]

Lmao, the trolling continues. This is priceless.

https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1554563145498349569

[SnowLabrador]

If either Fetterman or Shapiro win, I will leave this forum forever.

[Alben Barkley]

If either Fetterman or Shapiro win, I will leave this forum forever.

Haven't you said this before? Like about Warnock/Ossoff or something? Maybe multiple times?

Do you promise to ACTUALLY do it this time?

[SnowLabrador]

If either Fetterman or Shapiro win, I will leave this forum forever.

Haven't you said this before? Like about Warnock/Ossoff or something? Maybe multiple times?

Do you promise to ACTUALLY do it this time?

That was Woodbury. I made this promise with Hassan, whose fate will be determined this November. Regardless, unlike Woodbury, I intend to keep my promise, simply because I think this forum would rather I were gone.

[wbrocks67]

I thought this was notable b/c this was one of the most outlandish quotes from Oz's new TV ad

https://twitter.com/PolitiFact/status/1554797442708668416

[wbrocks67]

This guy doesn't even live in PA and he has the audacity to call himself "Pennsylvania's Doctor"... you gotta love it.

https://twitter.com/JacobRubashkin/status/1554861632987271168

[Arizona Iced Tea]

He got his MD from UPenn its not that unreasonable of a claim.

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

I thought this was notable b/c this was one of the most outlandish quotes from Oz's new TV ad

https://twitter.com/PolitiFact/status/1554797442708668416

Do you think people actually pay attention to politifact? Lol

[wbrocks67]

I thought this was notable b/c this was one of the most outlandish quotes from Oz's new TV ad

https://twitter.com/PolitiFact/status/1554797442708668416

Do you think people actually pay attention to politifact? Lol

My point is that the quote is so ridiculous when you hear it in the commercial that you know it's a lie. And turns out, it is.

[Gracile]

People keep saying this race could be like FL-SEN 2018, i.e. defying a wave year otherwise bad for the party that wins in this swing state by the skin of its teeth.

But what if it's more like MI-SEN 2014? Gary Peters outdid his polls and Obama 2012 and won by double digits in an otherwise abysmal year for Democrats. If Oz continues to crash and burn as a candidate, I could see Fetterman winning comfortably being at least as likely as his winning only narrowly. No matter what the overall national environment (which currently looks pretty neutral on the GCB) is like for Democrats.

I don't think PA's electorate (or really any state for that matter) is primed for that kind of massive overperformance of the fundamentals that occurred in MI-SEN 2014 even with a subpar candidate like Oz. Even Peters himself was kept to a close victory in a better cycle in 2020.

[pikachu]

People keep saying this race could be like FL-SEN 2018, i.e. defying a wave year otherwise bad for the party that wins in this swing state by the skin of its teeth.

But what if it's more like MI-SEN 2014? Gary Peters outdid his polls and Obama 2012 and won by double digits in an otherwise abysmal year for Democrats. If Oz continues to crash and burn as a candidate, I could see Fetterman winning comfortably being at least as likely as his winning only narrowly. No matter what the overall national environment (which currently looks pretty neutral on the GCB) is like for Democrats.

I don't think PA's electorate (or really any state for that matter) is primed for that kind of massive overperformance of the fundamentals that occurred in MI-SEN 2014 even with a subpar candidate like Oz. Even Peters himself was kept to a close victory in a better cycle in 2020.

GOP also seems to be trying harder here than it was in MI-2014. Weird that this ended up being the case in hindsight with how the rest of the midterms turned out, but everyone viewed that race as over before the summer began.

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

He got his MD from UPenn its not that unreasonable of a claim.

Egh, it's still a pretty specious title.  To me, it's one of those cases where there needs to be too much explanation to justify the claim: "well, he never practiced medicine in PA, but he got his MD from UPENN.  Therefore, he's Pennsylvania's doctor".  

Of course, if he's just saying "I'm a doctor who will represent Pennsylvania", then it makes more sense.  

[Progressive Pessimist]

Saying he is "Pennsylvania's Doctor" makes it sound like he is their Surgeon general or something. Now, if he had held that position he would probably be in a much better position to win. Instead I don't even know if we should be considering a credible medical professional at all. He is a celebrity talk show host and snake oil salesman more than anything, and that perception seems to be sticking.

[Joe Republic]

https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1554862035292356611

[ProgressiveModerate]

I like that Cartoon of Oz

Honestly Oz’s face is quite cartoonable and in a way not favorable to him.

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

I like that Cartoon of Oz

Honestly Oz’s face is quite cartoonable and in a way not favorable to him.

I want a Cartoon Oz shirt now.  Not for political reasons but because it's awesome. 

[wbrocks67]

Oz - a doctor - now full out mocking someone who had a stroke 2.5 months ago. Very becoming for "Pennsylvania's doctor"!

https://twitter.com/DrOz/status/1554607634468278275