What Hurt Ds among Asians/Hispanics more?

[lfromnj]

I mean the GOP has been screaming the former for decades so probably the latter IMO.

[Crumpets]

The former for Vietnamese, Cubans, Venezuelans, Nicaraguans, and maybe some groups of Chinese, and assorted South American Hispanics. The latter for pretty much everyone else that swung to the Republicans.

[Roll Roons]

I mean the GOP has been screaming the former for decades so probably the latter IMO.

But that was before Bernie and AOC were prominent. I think the rise of those two gave the "socialism" argument more credence, causing Democrats to lose ground in places like Miami-Dade and the OC.

[SunSt0rm]

For Asian Americans in particular Vietnamese Americans, I think Trump trade war against China is also a factor

[ملكة كرينجيتوك]

Is there any evidence there were people who were only swayed by one and not the other? I suspect the people who bought into the “muh sOcIaLiSm” narrative are also fairly “law-and-order”.

[Ljube]

BLM protests and lockdowns.
So not Rs, but Ds.

[Bootes Void]

Law and Order easily.
Alot of Asian Americans(and Latinos too) are populist, they might be okay with government involvement in the economy but tend to be socially and culturally moderate/conservative.

Things like ACA, minimum wage increases, increased support for families, free college might be popular but the other stuff with the woke culture wars are not

[Sbane]

I mean the GOP has been screaming the former for decades so probably the latter IMO.

But that was before Bernie and AOC were prominent. I think the rise of those two gave the "socialism" argument more credence, causing Democrats to lose ground in places like Miami-Dade and the OC.

I think both are related. As you say, before Bernie became prominent in the Democratic party, Asians and Hispanics could mostly ignore these appeals by the GOP because people like Clinton or Obama are obviously not socialist/leftist.

Then Bernie comes along and then we have some pretty serious riots in the streets, and a lot of unrest in general over the last four years. In their home countries they would have also seen the rise of leftists coinciding with violence in the streets. And they would see something similar here with the rise of Bernie and AOC coinciding with riots in the streets.

[Catalyst138]

I mean the GOP has been screaming the former for decades so probably the latter IMO.

But that was before Bernie and AOC were prominent. I think the rise of those two gave the "socialism" argument more credence, causing Democrats to lose ground in places like Miami-Dade and the OC.

I think both are related. As you say, before Bernie became prominent in the Democratic party, Asians and Hispanics could mostly ignore these appeals by the GOP because people like Clinton or Obama are obviously not socialist/leftist.

Then Bernie comes along and then we have some pretty serious riots in the streets, and a lot of unrest in general over the last four years. In their home countries they would have also seen the rise of leftists coinciding with violence in the streets. And they would see something similar here with the rise of Bernie and AOC coinciding with riots in the streets.

Why didn’t these people break for Trump in 2016 then? Bernie became popular in 2015 and he supported Clinton just as he did Biden.

Was it the fact that it wasn’t just Bernie but also new left-wing figures like AOC and others elected in the 2018 midterms, that finally caused these “anti-socialist” voters to switch? In addition to the unrest and other stuff you mentioned (2016 had its fair share of unrest as well but definitely doesn’t hold a candle to 2020).

[Bootes Void]

Bernie lost alot of appeal between 2016 and 2020, I'll be curious to know why

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

I mean the GOP has been screaming the former for decades so probably the latter IMO.

But that was before Bernie and AOC were prominent. I think the rise of those two gave the "socialism" argument more credence, causing Democrats to lose ground in places like Miami-Dade and the OC.

I think both are related. As you say, before Bernie became prominent in the Democratic party, Asians and Hispanics could mostly ignore these appeals by the GOP because people like Clinton or Obama are obviously not socialist/leftist.

Then Bernie comes along and then we have some pretty serious riots in the streets, and a lot of unrest in general over the last four years. In their home countries they would have also seen the rise of leftists coinciding with violence in the streets. And they would see something similar here with the rise of Bernie and AOC coinciding with riots in the streets.

Why didn’t these people break for Trump in 2016 then? Bernie became popular in 2015 and he supported Clinton just as he did Biden.

Was it the fact that it wasn’t just Bernie but also new left-wing figures like AOC and others elected in the 2018 midterms, that finally caused these “anti-socialist” voters to switch? In addition to the unrest and other stuff you mentioned (2016 had its fair share of unrest as well but definitely doesn’t hold a candle to 2020).

Yeah, I find it odd how we're still going on/off about Bernie when it's clear that AOC has supplanted him as the national "Socialist"-left voice. Especially when Bernie's 2020 campaign was only half as successful as his 2016 campaign.

Compared to the attention he got at this time in 2016, I'd have thought he gave up his seat a week ago

[wbrocks67]

BLM protests and lockdowns.
So not Rs, but Ds.

People keep saying lockdowns or anti-masks or w/e for a lot of things, and there is no proof. Polling has shown overwhelmingly people support mask use and restrictions.

[It’s so Joever]

For those saying lockdowns and masks...lol. Asian-Americans were ahead of the mask and social distancing game long before most of y’all.

Anyways the real answer is law and order with the possible exception of the Vietnamese.
Older Asians are not at all #woke and many had my disdain for the protests because of their ability to spread Covid. While in the end I still voted blue, I sympathize with Asians who swung to Trump after seeing the Democrats endorse superspreading events and looting.

Asian Americans (the older ones) like big government in general, and have a particular disdain for anarchists of any kind, regardless of what letter they put next to their name. Younger Asian Americans are super progressive though.

[It’s so Joever]

I mean the GOP has been screaming the former for decades so probably the latter IMO.

But that was before Bernie and AOC were prominent. I think the rise of those two gave the "socialism" argument more credence, causing Democrats to lose ground in places like Miami-Dade and the OC.

I think both are related. As you say, before Bernie became prominent in the Democratic party, Asians and Hispanics could mostly ignore these appeals by the GOP because people like Clinton or Obama are obviously not socialist/leftist.

Then Bernie comes along and then we have some pretty serious riots in the streets, and a lot of unrest in general over the last four years. In their home countries they would have also seen the rise of leftists coinciding with violence in the streets. And they would see something similar here with the rise of Bernie and AOC coinciding with riots in the streets.

Why didn’t these people break for Trump in 2016 then? Bernie became popular in 2015 and he supported Clinton just as he did Biden.

Was it the fact that it wasn’t just Bernie but also new left-wing figures like AOC and others elected in the 2018 midterms, that finally caused these “anti-socialist” voters to switch? In addition to the unrest and other stuff you mentioned (2016 had its fair share of unrest as well but definitely doesn’t hold a candle to 2020).

Yeah, I find it odd how we're still going on/off about Bernie when it's clear that AOC has supplanted him as the national "Socialist"-left voice. Especially when Bernie's 2020 campaign was only half as successful as his 2016 campaign.

Compared to the attention he got at this time in 2016, I'd have thought he gave up his seat a week ago

Was there an AOC equivalent figure for Millennials?
I’m asking this because she is very well liked among a lot of people my age, especially females and I do think she has a decent following at this point.

[Alben Barkley]

I mean the GOP has been screaming the former for decades so probably the latter IMO.

But that was before Bernie and AOC were prominent. I think the rise of those two gave the "socialism" argument more credence, causing Democrats to lose ground in places like Miami-Dade and the OC.

Yup. You might say “Oh but Bernie was present in 2016 too!” but she and Bernie were more at-odds than he and Biden, her win was seen as a more clear repudiation of Bernie’s brand of “socialism,” her platform was not as left-wing, and the party had not spent four years making concessions to Bernie’s wing yet.

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

Trying to group Mexicans, Central Americans, Cubans, and Puerto Ricans under one heading in an attempt to find a common thread is only going to lead to reductive answers that don't characterize any one group with accuracy.

And that's before you mix in "Asians."

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Why are we assuming these are these were the two most significant factors? Sometimes swings happen for reasons that neither party was anticipating.

The US just had the most visible state outreach (stimulus payments) and restrictions (lockdowns) in decades. Do not underrate these or the virus itself just because they didn't cause the results prognosticators were predicting.

[Person Man]

I think it probably was the riots. Florida passed the $15 minimum wage. The ap Exit Poll showed that 59% of Florida voters were pro-choice and 37% of pro-choice Florida voters voted for Trump. They are apparently ok with a lot of Democratic issues but I think there is a lot of positioning amongst people of colored to be more white than other people of color.

[Hammy]

Pretty sure Dems' complete and total lack of outreach beyond treating them like monolithic single issue immigration voters was a larger factor than either option in the poll.

[BaldEagle1991]

I think for Cubans and Venezuelans its the anti Communism sentiment that the progressive wings of the Dem party scared them. Biden couldn’t counter them.

Mexican Americans probably did not see a wall get built or see mass deportation nightmares. So they may have been more comfortable to swing to Trump (I think there’s other reasons too which I can go all day).

I think among Asians the only swings were among the Vietnamese Americans who are the Cubans of Asians and Biden barely did anything to counter anti Communist fears.

[ملكة كرينجيتوك]

I think among Asians the only swings were among the Vietnamese Americans who are the Cubans of Asians and Biden barely did anything to counter anti Communist fears.

I think every AAPI group swung toward Trump or swung R downballot, but the only big shift was with Vietnamese. The San Francisco precinct results suggest a R swing among the Chinese and Filipino communities there. Preliminary NYC AsAm exit polls suggest a R swing in Queens. Not sure how much of this was caused by insufficient Biden outreach and fake news proliferation, as opposed to genuine concerns over Bernie Bros + law and order.

[BaldEagle1991]

I think among Asians the only swings were among the Vietnamese Americans who are the Cubans of Asians and Biden barely did anything to counter anti Communist fears.

I think every AAPI group swung toward Trump or swung R downballot, but the only big shift was with Vietnamese. The San Francisco precinct results suggest a R swing among the Chinese and Filipino communities there. Preliminary NYC AsAm exit polls suggest a R swing in Queens. Not sure how much of this was caused by insufficient Biden outreach and fake news proliferation, as opposed to genuine concerns over Bernie Bros + law and order.

A lot of it has to due to Biden not doing much outreach there or them just viewing him as another boring White guy I guess.

Surprised Chinese and Filipinos swung to Trump cause of Trumps scapegoating of the virus to Chinese Americans and that the Filipino American community has been hit hard by COVID than even Blacks and Hispanics combined.

[ملكة كرينجيتوك]

I think among Asians the only swings were among the Vietnamese Americans who are the Cubans of Asians and Biden barely did anything to counter anti Communist fears.

I think every AAPI group swung toward Trump or swung R downballot, but the only big shift was with Vietnamese. The San Francisco precinct results suggest a R swing among the Chinese and Filipino communities there. Preliminary NYC AsAm exit polls suggest a R swing in Queens. Not sure how much of this was caused by insufficient Biden outreach and fake news proliferation, as opposed to genuine concerns over Bernie Bros + law and order.

A lot of it has to due to Biden not doing much outreach there or them just viewing him as another boring White guy I guess.

Surprised Chinese and Filipinos swung to Trump cause of Trumps scapegoating of the virus to Chinese Americans and that the Filipino American community has been hit hard by COVID than even Blacks and Hispanics combined.

Just because SF Chinese and Filipinos swung noticeably towards Trump doesn’t mean all Chinese and Filipino Americans did. I don’t think SF Asians would’ve been willing to swing as hard if California wasn’t Titanium D.

I don’t think the 23-point R swing in Westminster CA necessarily means the Vietnamese American vote swung 23 points R either, but even if it did Biden still would’ve narrowly won the Vietnamese vote. (If the swing was bigger than that, then Trump might’ve won them.)

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

I know that exit polls aren't really reliable, especially this year. However, what is the breakdown NATIONWIDE of the Asian vote and the Latino vote?

Also, I would be interested to see the breakdown by ethnic group.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Are we sure it's not only the Vietnamese that notably swung to Trump?