AOC is the enemy of the Democratic party

[WD]

Moderates before the elecrion: Unity! Heal the wounds! Bind the nation! MUH COALITION!!!!

Moderates after the election: AOC AND HER SUPPORTERS MUST BE THROWN INTO THE CAMPS

OP literally called us the enemy of the Democratic Party but whatever.

Who is “us”? OP is clearly talking about AOC. I swear, you guys on the left have such a victim complex, it’s unbelievable.

Oh? Forgive me, then. Usually when moderates attack AOC, they also either explcitly, or implictly (as OP as done) attack anyone who supports her as well.

No one is attacking her supporters lmao. The issue is her and others, poor messaging which is hurting Democrats in swing districts.

Correct me if i'm wrong,  but didn't you guys actually lose swing districts? And didn't we win ours?

Wow, winning Minneapolis and the Bronx? How impressive. Messaging by people like AOC makes it much easier for the GOP to scaremonger and tie incumbents in swing districts to unpopular policies. That’s part of the reason why they lose. “Defund the police” and “Abolish Ice” doesn’t win votes.

Golden, Kirkpatrick, Levin and Porter who co-sponsored Medicare for All were all just re-elected, so . . .

3/4 of them are in Biden districts, (Levin’s district in particular isn’t even competitive) and Golden’s opponent was a joke, and even then he only won by 5 after being up in the polls by double digits.

Always with the excuses.

Just say straight up: Are AOC and those of us who support her your enemy?

No, absolutely not.

Then maybe tell the OP to stop deliberately trying to get a rise out of us.

You won't though.

OP isn’t “trying to get a rise” they’re simply pointing out AOC’s comments, where she’s lecturing and attacking people on how to win elections, not to mention someone who actually won their race. I don’t agree with the title of the thread, I think it’s too harsh, but apparently criticizing AOC is some sort of personal attack against you.

[GALeftist]

AOC has been attacking the Lincoln Project, who last I checked, are Republicans.

Lincoln project literally spent ~70 million this election to try to oust Republicans. They have show nothing but unequivocal support for Biden and congressional Democrats. Additionally they didn't hurt the Democrats by attacking fracking or defending "defund the police". I'd say regardless of their past they did more to help the Democrats this cycle than certain members of congress who criticized Biden and his positions on things like fracking.

Republican vote for Trump 2016: 90%

Republican vote for Trump 2020: 93%

Wow, thanks, Lincoln project, for your incredible change of -3%! Keep it up and you might just get to the 0% dent Kasich made in Trump's Ohio margin.

[It’s so Joever]

AOC absolutely needs to get better at messaging, although I would argue she has a better connection with younger voters than most Democrats today.

But to cal her the enemy of the Democratic Party is rude and dismissive. She needs to control her ego more, but she isn’t an enemy, just a misguided friend.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

AOC has been attacking the Lincoln Project, who last I checked, are Republicans.

Lincoln project literally spent ~70 million this election to try to oust Republicans. They have show nothing but unequivocal support for Biden and congressional Democrats. Additionally they didn't hurt the Democrats by attacking fracking or defending "defund the police". I'd say regardless of their past they did more to help the Democrats this cycle than certain members of congress who criticized Biden and his positions on things like fracking.

Republican vote for Trump 2016: 90%

Republican vote for Trump 2020: 93%

Wow, thanks, Lincoln project, for your incredible change of -3%! Keep it up and you might just get to the 0% dent Kasich made in Trump's Ohio margin.

To be fair, that's probably because a lot of 2016 Republicans deregistered. The real target of the Lincoln Project is to ensure turnout among independents and Democrats who formerly identified with the Republican party.

[free my dawg]

Nah. People like you who started this kerfuffle are the enemy of the Democratic Party.

The President won because he reached out to us to attempt to heal the wounds of the Democratic Party. He knew he needed our support. He knew we were a force to be reckoned with, and he knew we needed to win. He recognizes that we need a coalition of everyone, whether they be socialists or centrists, to beat the Republican Party.

It's a shame the Democratic Party doesn't feel the same way Joe Biden does.

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

So glad to see the Progressive/Moderate bitchfest has ramped up not even a day after the election was called. It's almost like the last 7-8 months never happened

The next 4 years of BernieBro Rose Twitter AOC threads & relitigating the 2016 2020 primaries are gonna be very civil and interesting 🙄

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The OP shows that party unity is always a one way street. The "electable" candidate only barely won despite Trump doing a horrific job handling the pandemic.

[free my dawg]

AOC has been attacking the Lincoln Project, who last I checked, are Republicans.

Lincoln project literally spent ~70 million this election to try to oust Republicans. They have show nothing but unequivocal support for Biden and congressional Democrats. Additionally they didn't hurt the Democrats by attacking fracking or defending "defund the police". I'd say regardless of their past they did more to help the Democrats this cycle than certain members of congress who criticized Biden and his positions on things like fracking.

They also helped to enable the rise of Trump, refused to air any of those hard-hitting ads outside of their Twitter feeds, and CONTINUED TO SUPPORT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THE DOWNBALLOT.

Just admit that you hate us more than you hate Republicans.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

It's a shame the Democratic Party doesn't feel the same way Joe Biden does.

Joe Biden is the Democratic Party.

[free my dawg]

It's a shame the Democratic Party doesn't feel the same way Joe Biden does.

Joe Biden is the Democratic Party.

Joe Biden is a great man, but he only has so much control over millions of people. I'd point to House leadership, specifically Pelosi and Clyburn and Lamb and everyone else suggesting that progressive ideology is what's dooming the party.

[WD]

It's a shame the Democratic Party doesn't feel the same way Joe Biden does.

Joe Biden is the Democratic Party.

Joe Biden is a great man, but he only has so much control over millions of people. I'd point to House leadership, specifically Pelosi and Clyburn and Lamb and everyone else suggesting that progressive ideology is what's dooming the party.

It’s not dooming the party, but it is hurting it to a certain extent.

[free my dawg]

I don't have much of a problem with Spanberger's comments. I vehemently disagree with Lamb's, especially his backhanded compliment about how AOC beat Crowley, but not enough to burn the bridges with him. At the same time, AOC didn't attack Lamb ideologically, she attacked him on his poor digital operations, which have been proven to be true! The entire thing is nowhere near a proportional response.

I can take criticism. In fact, I'm probably going to agree with you in it. My wing was unable to sell the ideas we support. If you want to say that, we can have a debate about how the party as a whole could have counter-messaged.

However, when people like TopShelfGoal and Blairite start calling people like me the enemy of the Democratic Party, we're gonna have problems. When you start praising Republicans who support other Republicans as more devoted to the Democratic cause than us, you alienate people. When you support a group in which one of its leaders helped give my state ten more years of Republican control, you don't get to call yourself a Democrat.

When you call the left the enemy, you're no better than a Republican.

[Frodo]

Was this thread necessary? 

[GALeftist]

Was this thread necessary? 

No. A lot of these very public potshots at other members of the party aren't necessary, in fact.

[Virginiá]

Honestly, beyond the very general idea of "we lost ground and need to make changes," it's far too early to stake out sides. It's going to take a bit of time to get a clear pictured backed up by actual data. Instead, this is just like people making the same argument they've been making but taking the election results and acting like they have been vindicated.

[Frodo]

Was this thread necessary? 

No. A lot of these very public potshots at other members of the party aren't necessary, in fact.

It was a rhetorical question. 

[free my dawg]

It's a shame the Democratic Party doesn't feel the same way Joe Biden does.

Joe Biden is the Democratic Party.

Joe Biden is a great man, but he only has so much control over millions of people. I'd point to House leadership, specifically Pelosi and Clyburn and Lamb and everyone else suggesting that progressive ideology is what's dooming the party.

It’s not dooming the party, but it is hurting it to a certain extent.

I'd argue that messaging is the issue more than the ideology itself. Counter-messaging is just as important as messaging - just take a look at how well Buttigieg did in the primary.

[Xing]

Hey guys, can we not start the 2024 primary yet? How about we acknowledge that there are definite disagreements within the Democratic Party (and we should discuss them without eating each other alive), but that moderates and progressives need to have each other’s backs to have any chance of winning elections?

I agree that we all need to get better at messaging, and it’s fine to criticize AOC’s messaging. Calling one another “enemies” doesn’t help anyone.

[AltWorlder]

AOC has been attacking the Lincoln Project, who last I checked, are Republicans.

Lincoln project literally spent ~70 million this election to try to oust Republicans. They have show nothing but unequivocal support for Biden and congressional Democrats. Additionally they didn't hurt the Democrats by attacking fracking or defending "defund the police". I'd say regardless of their past they did more to help the Democrats this cycle than certain members of congress who criticized Biden and his positions on things like fracking.

That’s great. However they are allies of convenience, cobelligerents really, who should be immediately dropped at the best opportunity because they would inevitably do the same to the Democrats. They are not to be kept close to the bosom of the party because they are inherently untrustworthy.

[free my dawg]

AOC has been attacking the Lincoln Project, who last I checked, are Republicans.

Lincoln project literally spent ~70 million this election to try to oust Republicans. They have show nothing but unequivocal support for Biden and congressional Democrats. Additionally they didn't hurt the Democrats by attacking fracking or defending "defund the police". I'd say regardless of their past they did more to help the Democrats this cycle than certain members of congress who criticized Biden and his positions on things like fracking.

That’s great. However they are allies of convenience, cobelligerents really, who should be immediately dropped at the best opportunity because they would inevitably do the same to the Democrats. They are not to be kept close to the bosom of the party because they are inherently untrustworthy.

600 votes decided control of the state senate here. Surely their communications director could have pulled some strings to funnel some of those Lincolnbux to ensure we had fair districts!

Oh wait, she supports the Republican governor out here and still has a place in Chris Sununu's GOP if they ever take back the party.

[Frodo]

We still face an existential enemy who -even though he has lost this election- is far from irrelevant and thinks nothing of undermining our democracy if it suits his goals, and a Republican Party whose allegiance to our representative democracy and its institutions is, at best, uncertain.  Let's not descend into intraparty civil war when so much is still at stake.  

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

Was this thread necessary? 

No. A lot of these very public potshots at other members of the party aren't necessary, in fact.

Ugh, this is gonna be a long 4 years on this forum.

Can it be November 2024 already?

[PAK Man]

I really got mad at her when she posted "They only gave me 1 minute to speak at the DNC" and tried to stir tension in the party...and then we learned literally her only role was to nominate Bernie Sanders. Well, obviously they only gave you a minute. All you had to say was "I nominate Bernie Sanders for the Democratic nomination for president" and say a few nice things about him. And she doesn't get it, as others have said. You can't run on Defund the Police when you live in a district where all your constituents are cops. You can't say you support a government-run health system in a rural district where all your constituents are already wary of the government. Yes, AOC can win in the Bronx, because that's a district that will never elect a Republican. AOC cannot win in western Minnesota (heck, Collin Peterson can't even win in western Minnesota). She cannot win in Kentucky. I'm a progressive Democrat, but I'm also a realistic progressive Democrat. I'm glad that she's inspirational to so many people, but as someone who is almost the same age as her (I'm about seven months older than her) I think she has a lot to learn about politics.

[GoTfan]

We still face an existential enemy who -even though he has lost this election- is far from irrelevant and thinks nothing of undermining our democracy if it suits his goals, and a Republican Party whose allegiance to our representative democracy and its institutions is, at best, uncertain.  Let's not descend into intraparty civil war when so much is still at stake.  

OP has called us the enemy of the Democratic Party. Talk with them first before chastising anyone else.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

However, when people like TopShelfGoal and Blairite start calling people like me the enemy of the Democratic Party, we're gonna have problems.

I very explicitly did not call you the enemy of the party and advocated unity and coalition-building with the left while criticizing those on the left unwilling to do the same. Just for the record.