AOC is the enemy of the Democratic party

[Pollster]

The fact of the matter is that you need to have a conversation in order to successfully push an idea. Going straight to "defund the police" without having the right message to build its foundation with (i.e. greater opportunity reducing crime, mental health professionals dealing with violent mentally ill criminals, etc.) appears reactionary, and leaves the slogan completely open for the exact type of negative definition it has received. This is the aspect of messaging that AOC and other Justice Dems types often struggle with.

You can't write your conclusion before you write the essay.

[Frodo]

We still face an existential enemy who -even though he has lost this election- is far from irrelevant and thinks nothing of undermining our democracy if it suits his goals, and a Republican Party whose allegiance to our representative democracy and its institutions is, at best, uncertain.  Let's not descend into intraparty civil war when so much is still at stake.  

OP has called us the enemy of the Democratic Party. Talk with them first before chastising anyone else.

I was referring to everyone, especially the creator of this godforsaken thread.  

[GoTfan]

We still face an existential enemy who -even though he has lost this election- is far from irrelevant and thinks nothing of undermining our democracy if it suits his goals, and a Republican Party whose allegiance to our representative democracy and its institutions is, at best, uncertain.  Let's not descend into intraparty civil war when so much is still at stake.  

OP has called us the enemy of the Democratic Party. Talk with them first before chastising anyone else.

I was referring to everyone, especially the creator of this godforsaken thread.  

I'm perfectly willing to; hell i'm literally one of the biggest cheerleaders of popular fronts. It should be apparent that while yes, AOC is to the left of almost every Congressional Democrat, she's also been strongly supportive of the Democratic Party as a whole.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Tough sh*t corporate dems, the left ain't goin' anywhere. The sooner you learn to deal with it, the better it will be for you.

[AltWorlder]

We still face an existential enemy who -even though he has lost this election- is far from irrelevant and thinks nothing of undermining our democracy if it suits his goals, and a Republican Party whose allegiance to our representative democracy and its institutions is, at best, uncertain.  Let's not descend into intraparty civil war when so much is still at stake.  

The Lincoln Project is literally not part of the party.

[Intell]

Having John Kasich and several fycking republicans speak at the DNC showed who the establishment of the party really cares for.

Also fyck the full grift that the Lincoln Project is and anyone defending it- when they did jack sh**t, with useless ads and wasting money,

[Omega21]

Tough sh*t corporate dems, the left ain't goin' anywhere. The sooner you learn to deal with it, the better it will be for you.

Well, if ranked voting was introduced, you probably are going somewhere, i.e. your own new party.

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Having John Kasich and several fycking republicans speak at the DNC showed who the establishment of the party really cares for.

Also fyck the full grift that the Lincoln Project is and anyone defending it- when they did jack sh**t, with useless ads and wasting money,

And yet Biden only got 6% of the Republican vote. It turned out that the Never Trumpers were disproportionately Bush era neocons and not regular voters.

[Morning in Atlas]

Having John Kasich and several fycking republicans speak at the DNC showed who the establishment of the party really cares for.

Also fyck the full grift that the Lincoln Project is and anyone defending it- when they did jack sh**t, with useless ads and wasting money,

You forgot the part where Kasich attacked AOC by name before his speech

Never forget that when they say unity, they mean submission.

[coloradocowboi]

The fact of the matter is that you need to have a conversation in order to successfully push an idea. Going straight to "defund the police" without having the right message to build its foundation with (i.e. greater opportunity reducing crime, mental health professionals dealing with violent mentally ill criminals, etc.) appears reactionary, and leaves the slogan completely open for the exact type of negative definition it has received. This is the aspect of messaging that AOC and other Justice Dems types often struggle with.

You can't write your conclusion before you write the essay.

You mean like the wealth of academic literature suggesting that we should defund the police?

[Morning in Atlas]

If it wasn’t Trump and was Kasich or Cruz running I actually wouldn’t have minded Bernie getting the nominee so that he would get blown off the field and take our House majority down with him so that we can get rid of Left Wing Sarah Palin and her Reddit friends.

Hey, maybe Kasich or Cruz would have upheld that trans military ban you always wanted.

[Frodo]

We still face an existential enemy who -even though he has lost this election- is far from irrelevant and thinks nothing of undermining our democracy if it suits his goals, and a Republican Party whose allegiance to our representative democracy and its institutions is, at best, uncertain.  Let's not descend into intraparty civil war when so much is still at stake.  

The Lincoln Project is literally not part of the party.

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[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

She was the star when she endorsed Markey and Joe Kennedy lost due to her endorsement of Market purposely misspelled. I never since that day liked her

AOC has a special relationship with Latinas and AA females due to her friendship with Pressley, but Latino men and AA men are turning more Conservative instates like FL, OH and TX due to guns they own

[GoTfan]

She was the star when she endorsed Markey and Joe Kennedy lost due to her endorsement of Market purposely misspelled. I never since that day liked her

AOC has a special relationship with Latinas and AA females due to her friendship with Pressley, but Latino men and AA men are turning more Conservative instates like FL, OH and TX due to guns they own

So you don't like her because she stopped your favourite dynasty member from winning a seat he thought he was entitled to?

That is . . . something.

[TheTide]

Lots of people apparently want compromise between parties. Surely there's room for compromise within parties? Instead you get these unhinged types (as seen in this thread) who passionately represent a 'wing' of their party and hate everyone else within it.

[SWE]

My position on her is that she brings up issues that need to be discussed

Yeah, nobody was talking about protecting illegal aliens or global warming before AOC came along to poison the well in both of those debates with #AbolishIce and #GreenNewDeal.

What frustrates me is that global warming should be an easily winning argument for us, but nowadays whenever we try to talk about it in a debate, Republicans can just shout "you want the Green New Deal!  You want the Green New Deal!" and the conversation becomes the Democrat denying that they want the Green New Deal.

Same thing with Medicare For All.  Health care is such a winning argument for us, but now Republicans can turn the conversation into a referendum on M4A and put Democrats on defense, so we can't get the message through about a public option and Obamacare.

This is true, democratic messaging would be a lot easier if they simply embraced the popular policy goals Republicans accuse them of supporting as opposed to denying it

[Figueira]

So now not only are progressives not allowed to run in swing districts, but they're also not allowed to run in Democratic districts because some moderates might be offended? And they're also not allowed to criticize other candidates' Internet outreach?

[SevenEleven]

She was the star when she endorsed Markey and Joe Kennedy lost due to her endorsement of Market purposely misspelled. I never since that day liked her

AOC has a special relationship with Latinas and AA females due to her friendship with Pressley, but Latino men and AA men are turning more Conservative instates like FL, OH and TX due to guns they own

So you don't like her because she stopped your favourite dynasty member from winning a seat he thought he was entitled to?

That is . . . something.

Even Black Republicans have a special affinity for the Kennedys. Its shocking how little this Atlas bubble even tries to understand minority groups in America.

[Figueira]

She was the star when she endorsed Markey and Joe Kennedy lost due to her endorsement of Market purposely misspelled. I never since that day liked her

AOC has a special relationship with Latinas and AA females due to her friendship with Pressley, but Latino men and AA men are turning more Conservative instates like FL, OH and TX due to guns they own

So you don't like her because she stopped your favourite dynasty member from winning a seat he thought he was entitled to?

That is . . . something.

Even Black Republicans have a special affinity for the Kennedys. Its shocking how little this Atlas bubble even tries to understand minority groups in America.

What does that have to do with anything?

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

Lots of people apparently want compromise between parties. Surely there's room for compromise within parties? Instead you get these unhinged types (as seen in this thread) who passionately represent a 'wing' of their party and hate everyone else within it.

People just want things done. We've just expressed that happens through compromise most of the time.

[Suburbia]

Attacking AOC isn't helpful. The Democrats should be a big tent. There's an AOC wing and there's a Conor Lamb wing. They can both coexist.

This.

There is a reason why AOC may retire in 2022

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

@ OP: I get your frustration with AOC and her TwitterTantrum/poor messaging as much as anyone on Atlas, but she is not the enemy.  I’ve always said these sorts of inter-party disputes should be thought of as a family feud b/c we’re all on the same team at the end of the day.  But guess what?  If you go around calling the folks on your team “the enemy,” they’re gonna think of you the same way.  Like it or not - I certainly don’t - AOC is an inspirational figure to an important segment of our party.  I’m not saying her TwitterTantrums should be rewarded or that GOTFan isn’t wildly overreacting, but we should be having these debates in a respectful, good-faith, and thoughtful manner.  

At the end of the day, we’re a big-tent party and we all need each other to win, much less get anything done.  The only ones who benefit from TwitterTantrum rants about “muh evulz moderates” or moderates treating Berniecrats like they’re some sort of fifth column are the real enemy: authoritarian-coddling, corporatist right-wing reactionaries like McConnell and the far right SCOTUS majority.  The stakes are too high to waste time on BS name-calling every time another Democrat says something annoying.  And that goes just as much for folks like GOTFan as it does for OP.

[Pollster]

The fact of the matter is that you need to have a conversation in order to successfully push an idea. Going straight to "defund the police" without having the right message to build its foundation with (i.e. greater opportunity reducing crime, mental health professionals dealing with violent mentally ill criminals, etc.) appears reactionary, and leaves the slogan completely open for the exact type of negative definition it has received. This is the aspect of messaging that AOC and other Justice Dems types often struggle with.

You can't write your conclusion before you write the essay.

You mean like the wealth of academic literature suggesting that we should defund the police?

My post isn't ideological or intended to take a stance - few of my posts here are. Police accountability and reform is a relatively new issue to our national politics (I'm aware that the situation is quite different at the local level in many places). It's not an issue like healthcare or taxes which we have been having substantial and persuasive conversations on for decades now. There is great opportunity right now for progressives to lead with a compelling and winning message. The current strategy isn't it.

[Suburbia]

The word socialism will be used by Republicans as long as AOC and Sanders are on the national stage. Period.

The Heritage Foundation, yes, it is a conservative foundation, has the United States as 17th in economic freedom, they'll run that if AOC is around America will fall to 179 like Cuba soon.


https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Who cares about AOC, she isn't challenging Schumer in 2022, she won't move up in leadership anylonger