Largest city in each state that Trump won

[NOVA Green]

This has Derry slightly ahead. https://www.newhampshire-demographics.com/cities_by_population

All right, so we have the esteemed poster Nyvin from NH who knows his backyard, and you posted a link from what appears to be more recent census data.

So, you 2nd the motion, and unless someone posts any objections within the next couple hours regarding the current estimated population of both Cities, I will consider the motion passed and move Derry to the top of the list for NH.

Fair enough everyone?

[cg41386]

Here’s a more official confirmation.

https://www.nhes.nh.gov/elmi/products/cp/profiles-htm/derry.htm

[nclib]

One issue I ran into in the 2016 thread is that in some places, particularly the Northeast, some towns (or townships, etc.) are larger in population than some cities. so the largest city that Trump won in some states is different than the largest municipality that Trump won. IIRC, Derry, NH is a town and Rochester, NH is a city. So if Trump won both of them, there could be a discrepancy between largest city that Trump won in NH and than the largest municipality that Trump won in NH.

[NOVA Green]

One issue I ran into in the 2016 thread is that in some places, particularly the Northeast, some towns (or townships, etc.) are larger in population than some cities. so the largest city that Trump won in some states is different than the largest municipality that Trump won. IIRC, Derry, NH is a town and Rochester, NH is a city. So if Trump won both of them, there could be a discrepancy between largest city that Trump won in NH and than the largest municipality that Trump won in NH.

Good point nclib---

Hadn't considered that since it's been awhile since the '16 thread, but you were an active poster / updater, plus New England is not a particular Forte of mine, and I hadn't considered that as part of the reason for the potential discrepancy.

I believe part of the way we looked at the issue in 2016 was largest City or Municipality, so that for example folks would post both numbers for Townships and Cities / Towns in various parts of the US.

Although the title of this particular thread is "Largest City", it might be of interest to either / or post both numbers or simply reframe as the "largest Municipality" as a unit of Government.

Thoughts all y'all?

[cg41386]

^^ Largest municipality would probably be most accurate. That could potentially mean that Altoona isn’t the largest in Pennsylvania.

[jimrtex]

New Hampshire--- Largest Trump City- #5 Rochester-

*** Note Write-Ins Not Included in Total Numbers ***

Trump-         8,367   (49.7%)        (+1.4% Trump)    +8.8% DEM SWING '16-'20
Biden-          8,132   (48.3%)
Libertarian-      346     
TOTAL-        16,845   


2016:

Trump-        7,789    (52.2%)       (+10.2% Trump)
Clinton-       6,267    (42.0%)
Misc-             879     ( 5.9%)
TOTAL-        14,935

As far as I'm aware, Derry is slightly larger than Rochester, by about 2k.

So I was pulling my numbers from here:

https://statisticalatlas.com/state/New-Hampshire/Population#figure/place

Those are for "places". In Census lingo, a "Place" is either an incorporated city or a Census Designated Place (CDP). A CDP is a populated area that looks like a city or town (congregation of houses) but has no legal status.

The Census Bureau started designating CDP's in the mid-20th Century when suburban areas began to sprawl outside city limits. Previous to that time, developers liked to be in cities so that they could advertise "city streets" and "city water and sewage" since it meant that a new home buyer didn't have to have a well and a septic tank. Plus before ubiquitous car ownership it would be difficult to travel to work in "the city" unless there was a street car line.

At one time city streets were built, and lots would be sold. Owners would buy a lot and construct their own home or small scale contractors would build houses one-by-one. They might not have the financing to do much more, and would have to build and sell one, before they could begin the next. As larger scale developers began building subdivisions, they could arrange for water and sewage, and build the streets.

The historic census distinction between "urban" and "rural" is living in a city of more than 2500 persons. These areas were clearly urban in appearance and were often adjacent to cities. So the census bureau began defining CDP's. Over time, this has become more of a cooperative effort. States might use CDP's for planning purposes, and designation would be a cooperative process.

In New England, the town is the basic unit of local government. Counties might only be groups of county that share a court system, but the county provides few services. States might permit towns to incorporate to form a more efficient government than a town meeting.

New Hampshire only has 13 cities, which required an act of the legislature. But since 1979 there has been no legal distinction, and towns such as Derry have a town council and an appointed town administrator which is equivalent to a city council and appointed city manager.

When the census bureau began designating CDP's they would look at a town like Derry and identify the built-up area. Over time, they may not have kept up with development, and New Hampshire wouldn't care since the town government would have authority over the entire town.

These are the 10 largest minor civil divisions in New Hampshire (2019 estimates)

Manchester city	112,673
Nashua city	89,355
Concord city	43,627
Derry town	33,485
Dover city	32,191
Rochester city	31,526
Salem town	29,791
Merrimack town	26,490
Londonderry town	26,490
Hudson town	25,619

Curiously, Derry is the slowest growing of the 10, and could be surpassed by both Dover and Rochester by 2030, and Londonderry is the fastest growing. Londonderry is along I-95 and is immediately south of Manchester and could even provide a relatively easy commuted into Massachusetts.

[jimrtex]

These are the 10 largest minor civil divisions for each State in New England (Census Bureau estimates for July 1, 2019).

Maine

Portland city	66,215
Lewiston city	36,225
Bangor city	32,262
South Portland city	25,532
Auburn city	23,414
Biddeford city	21,504
Sanford city	21,223
Scarborough town	20,991
Brunswick town	20,535
Saco city	19,964

New Hampshire

Manchester city	112,673
Nashua city	89,355
Concord city	43,627
Derry town	33,485
Dover city	32,191
Rochester city	31,526
Salem town	29,791
Merrimack town	26,490
Londonderry town	26,490
Hudson town	25,619

Massachusetts

Boston city	692,600
Worcester city	185,428
Springfield city	153,606
Cambridge city	118,927
Lowell city	110,997
Brockton city	95,708
New Bedford city	95,363
Quincy city	94,470
Lynn city	94,299
Fall River city	89,541

Rhode Island

Providence city	179,883
Cranston city	81,456
Warwick city	81,004
Pawtucket city	72,117
East Providence city	47,618
Woonsocket city	41,751
Cumberland town	35,263
Coventry town	34,819
North Providence town	32,686
South Kingstown town	30,348

Connecticut

Bridgeport town	144,399
New Haven town	130,250
Stamford town	129,638
Hartford town	122,105
Waterbury town	107,568
Norwalk town	88,816
Danbury town	84,694
New Britain town	72,495
West Hartford town	62,965
Greenwich town	62,840

Vermont

Burlington city	42,819
Essex town	21,890
South Burlington city	19,509
Colchester town	17,127
Rutland city	15,074
Bennington town	14,964
Brattleboro town	11,332
Milton town	10,829
Williston town	10,081
Hartford town	9,556

[jimrtex]

These are 30 largest towns in MAINE.

Standish (#21) is the largest where Trump defeated Biden. It is an outer suburb of Portland.

1	Portland city	66,215
2	Lewiston city	36,225
3	Bangor city	32,262
4	South Portland city	25,532
5	Auburn city	23,414
6	Biddeford city	21,504
7	Sanford city	21,223
8	Scarborough town	20,991
9	Brunswick town	20,535
10	Saco city	19,964
11	Westbrook city	19,074
12	Augusta city	18,697
13	Windham town	18,540
14	Gorham town	17,978
15	Waterville city	16,558
16	York town	13,290
17	Falmouth town	12,312
18	Kennebunk town	11,625
19	Orono town	10,799
20	Wells town	10,675
21	Standish town	10,099
22	Kittery town	9,819
23	Cape Elizabeth town	9,304
24	Brewer city	9,035
25	Old Orchard Beach town	9,015
26	Presque Isle city	9,007
27	Lisbon town	9,005
28	Topsham town	8,878
29	Yarmouth town	8,589
30	Freeport town	8,558

[jimrtex]

New Hampshire

Trump carried five of the 10 largest towns in New Hampshire, the largest of which is Derry (4th).

Question: Why is Dover so Democratic-leaning (Biden 66.4% of two party vote)?

Manchester city	112,673
Nashua city	89,355
Concord city	43,627
Derry town	33,485
Dover city	32,191
Rochester city	31,526
Salem town	29,791
Merrimack town	26,490
Londonderry town	26,490
Hudson town	25,619

[jimrtex]

Correction: Added Agawam (#65).

MASSACHUSETTS

Trump carried 4 of Massachusetts largest 100 towns. Dracut is just north of Lowell on the New Hampshire line; Agawam is southwest of Springfield, west of the Connecticut River, and south of West Springfield; Middleborough is east of Taunton, across the Bristol-Plymouth county line; and Ludlow is northeast of Springfield and immediately east of Chicopee.

I couldn't find an official looking source. I took results from CNN, hopefully I didn't miss any while scrolling through them.

1	Boston city	692600
2	Worcester city	185428
3	Springfield city	153606
4	Cambridge city	118927
5	Lowell city	110997
6	Brockton city	95708
7	New Bedford city	95363
8	Quincy city	94470
9	Lynn city	94299
10	Fall River city	89541
11	Newton city	88414
12	Somerville city	81360
13	Lawrence city	80028
14	Framingham city	74416
15	Haverhill city	64014
16	Waltham city	62495
17	Plymouth town	61528
18	Malden city	60470
19	Brookline town	59121
20	Weymouth Town city	57746
21	Taunton city	57464
22	Medford city	57341
23	Chicopee city	55126
24	Revere city	53073
25	Peabody city	53070
26	Methuen Town city	50706
27	Everett city	46451
28	Arlington town	45531
29	Attleboro city	45237
30	Barnstable Town city	44477
31	Billerica town	43367
32	Salem city	43226
33	Beverly city	42174
34	Pittsfield city	42142
35	Leominster city	41716
36	Westfield city	41204
37	Fitchburg city	40638
38	Woburn city	40228
39	Holyoke city	40117
40	Amherst town	39924
41	Chelsea city	39690
42	Marlborough city	39597
43	Shrewsbury town	38526
44	Braintree Town city	37190
45	Andover town	36356
46	Natick town	36050
47	Watertown Town city	35939
48	Chelmsford town	35391
49	Randolph Town city	34362
50	Dartmouth town	34188
51	Franklin Town city	34087
52	Lexington town	33132
53	Dracut town	31634
...
65	Agawam Town city	28613
...
76	Middleborough town	25463
...
91	Ludlow town	21233
...

[jimrtex]

Correction: add Coventry.

RHODE ISLAND

Trump carried 11 of Rhode Island's 39 towns, including 7 of the 13th smallest.

Coventry is west of Warwick extending to the Connecticut line. It is the home of Nathanael Greene, Revolutionary War general and namesake of 17 counties.

Johnston is just outside the top quartile. Johnston is named for a colonial attorney general who was run out of the country during the American Revolution as a Tory. I suppose it is unlikely that Rhode Island would have a county named after Albert Sidney Johnston.

Johnston is immediately WNW of Providence, and is extremely Italian. Current mayor and town council: Polisena, Delfino, Verardo, Santilli, Russo, and Civetti (incoming members: Folcarelli and Garzone). All are unopposed Democrats, except for one who had independent challenger by the name of Florio. Trump was the only Republican to carry the town, though it voted 40:60 against dropping Providence and two other words from the name of the State.

1	Providence city	179883
2	Cranston city	81456
3	Warwick city	81004
4	Pawtucket city	72117
5	East Providence city	47618
6	Woonsocket city	41751
7	Cumberland town	35263
8	Coventry town	34819
9	North Providence town	32686
10	South Kingstown town	30348
11	Johnston town	29471

[vileplume]

MASSACHUSETTS

Trump carried 3 of Massachusetts largest 100 towns. Dracut is just north of Lowell on the New Hampshire line; Middleborough is east of Taunton, across the Bristol-Plymouth county line; and Ludlow is northeast of Springfield and immediately east of Chicopee.

I couldn't find an official looking source. I took results from CNN, hopefully I didn't miss any while scrolling through them.

1	Boston city	692600
2	Worcester city	185428
3	Springfield city	153606
4	Cambridge city	118927
5	Lowell city	110997
6	Brockton city	95708
7	New Bedford city	95363
8	Quincy city	94470
9	Lynn city	94299
10	Fall River city	89541
11	Newton city	88414
12	Somerville city	81360
13	Lawrence city	80028
14	Framingham city	74416
15	Haverhill city	64014
16	Waltham city	62495
17	Plymouth town	61528
18	Malden city	60470
19	Brookline town	59121
20	Weymouth Town city	57746
21	Taunton city	57464
22	Medford city	57341
23	Chicopee city	55126
24	Revere city	53073
25	Peabody city	53070
26	Methuen Town city	50706
27	Everett city	46451
28	Arlington town	45531
29	Attleboro city	45237
30	Barnstable Town city	44477
31	Billerica town	43367
32	Salem city	43226
33	Beverly city	42174
34	Pittsfield city	42142
35	Leominster city	41716
36	Westfield city	41204
37	Fitchburg city	40638
38	Woburn city	40228
39	Holyoke city	40117
40	Amherst town	39924
41	Chelsea city	39690
42	Marlborough city	39597
43	Shrewsbury town	38526
44	Braintree Town city	37190
45	Andover town	36356
46	Natick town	36050
47	Watertown Town city	35939
48	Chelmsford town	35391
49	Randolph Town city	34362
50	Dartmouth town	34188
51	Franklin Town city	34087
52	Lexington town	33132
53	Dracut town	31634
...
76	Middleborough town	25463
...
91	Ludlow town	21233
...

Trump also won Agawam which is 65th.

[jimrtex]

MASSACHUSETTS

Trump carried 3 of Massachusetts largest 100 towns. Dracut is just north of Lowell on the New Hampshire line; Middleborough is east of Taunton, across the Bristol-Plymouth county line; and Ludlow is northeast of Springfield and immediately east of Chicopee.

I couldn't find an official looking source. I took results from CNN, hopefully I didn't miss any while scrolling through them.

Trump also won Agawam which is 65th.

Thanks! I had noted that there weren't any 'A' Trump towns. It was because I hadn't checked. I also had missed Acushnet and Ashby.

I have 51 Trump towns.

[jimrtex]

CONNECTICUT

The four Trump towns are outside smaller populations centers, close enough to major cities to have greater population, but not so close as to be politically influenced. Southington is south of Bristol and New Britain (20 miles from Hartford); Shelton is in eastern Fairfield County, north of Stratford (12 miles to Bridgeport, 11 miles to New Haven); Torrington is a small city in Litchfield County (29 miles to Hartford); and Naugatuck is immediately south of Waterbury.

1	Bridgeport town	144399
2	New Haven town	130250
3	Stamford town	129638
4	Hartford town	122105
5	Waterbury town	107568
6	Norwalk town	88816
7	Danbury town	84694
8	New Britain town	72495
9	West Hartford town	62965
10	Greenwich town	62840
11	Fairfield town	62045
12	Hamden town	60556
13	Bristol town	59947
14	Meriden town	59395
15	Manchester town	57584
16	Milford town	54747
17	West Haven town	54620
18	Stratford town	51849
19	East Hartford town	49872
20	Middletown town	46258
21	Wallingford town	44326
22	Southington town	43834
23	Enfield town	43659
24	Shelton town	41129
25	Norwich town	38768
26	Groton town	38436
27	Trumbull town	35673
28	Glastonbury town	34482
29	Torrington town	34044
30	Naugatuck town	31108

[Bernie Derangement Syndrome Haver]

New Hampshire

Trump carried five of the 10 largest towns in New Hampshire, the largest of which is Derry (4th).

Question: Why is Dover so Democratic-leaning (Biden 66.4% of two party vote)?

Manchester city	112,673
Nashua city	89,355
Concord city	43,627
Derry town	33,485
Dover city	32,191
Rochester city	31,526
Salem town	29,791
Merrimack town	26,490
Londonderry town	26,490
Hudson town	25,619

Dover is in the Seacoast, which is a pretty progressive area. It's near Portsmouth which is a trendy touristy type of place. Despite being a bit working class and post-industrial, Dover has really revitalized itself and does have a relatively highly educated population plus some wealthier areas by the water. And it's right next to Durham, where the University of New Hampshire is located, so a decent number of UNH students and faculty live there (that's also why nearby rural towns like Madbury and Lee are blue).

[H. Ross Peron]

I'm surprised Portsmouth isn't in the top 10 largest NH cities and towns

[mileslunn]

Should make a central list here of largest.  While not everything is in yet, probably can add some states.

[NOVA Green]

Arizona- #3- MESA- TRUMP HOLD

2020:

Biden:     108,396      (43.7%)         +10.2% Trump     (+6.1% DEM Swing)
Trump:    133,673      (53.9%)
Misc:          5,765       ( 2.3%)
Total:      247,948                           +34.1% increase from 2016 to 2020      

2016:

HRC:       68,370        (37.0%)        +16.5% Trump
Trump:    99,022        (53.5%)
Misc:       17,569        ( 9.5%)  
Total:     184,961

[NOVA Green]

Kansas- #1 Wichita- Confirmed Trump Hold

+7.4% Biden Swing        +17.0% Total Vote increase 2016 > 2020 GE PRES

[Chips]

I'm kinda surprised Trump won Parma by a bigger margin than 2016.

[Hope For A New Era]

Ohio just dumped all of their precinct results in one easily downloadable Excel spreadsheet earlier today.

I posted the results for the (10) largest Cities between '16 and '20 on another thread:

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=412697.msg7798173#msg7798173

So the cross-post the numbers from elsewhere: Parma, Ohio- TRUMP 2020 HOLD


"7.) Parma- 2020

              Biden:       18,183   (46.7%)        +5.3% Trump      (+1.4% PUB Swing '16 > '20)
              Trump:      20,253   (52.0%)
              Misc:             540   ( 1.4%)   
              Total:        38,976                      +9.5% from 2016 Total Votes

          Parma- 2016

              HRC:        16,268    (45.7%)       +3.9% Trump     
              Trump:     17,649    (49.6%)
              Misc:         1,672    (4.7%)
              Total:       35,589[/i]"

Just thought I'd throw this in as someone who used to live immediately adjacent to Parma - it was solidly Democratic until 2016, and its further rightward movement does not surprise me. It's a white-working-class, formerly white-ethnic, cookie-cutter suburb.

[NOVA Green]

Ohio just dumped all of their precinct results in one easily downloadable Excel spreadsheet earlier today.

I posted the results for the (10) largest Cities between '16 and '20 on another thread:

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=412697.msg7798173#msg7798173

So the cross-post the numbers from elsewhere: Parma, Ohio- TRUMP 2020 HOLD


"7.) Parma- 2020

              Biden:       18,183   (46.7%)        +5.3% Trump      (+1.4% PUB Swing '16 > '20)
              Trump:      20,253   (52.0%)
              Misc:             540   ( 1.4%)   
              Total:        38,976                      +9.5% from 2016 Total Votes

          Parma- 2016

              HRC:        16,268    (45.7%)       +3.9% Trump     
              Trump:     17,649    (49.6%)
              Misc:         1,672    (4.7%)
              Total:       35,589[/i]"

Just thought I'd throw this in as someone who used to live immediately adjacent to Parma - it was solidly Democratic until 2016, and its further rightward movement does not surprise me. It's a white-working-class, formerly white-ethnic, cookie-cutter suburb.

Perhaps the biggest question should be why did Parma move so heavily Republican for President with Trump at the top of the ticket?

Even in 2012, Parma was something like 20,942 (56.6%) Obama vs 15,483 (41.8%) Romney....

[mileslunn]

What was Bayside Village and Westlake for Romney as those I believe you saw similar shift but in opposite direction.  Parma is very white working class.  A lot of people of Slavic and Italian ancestry while the western suburbs are more upper middle class college educated types.  Essentially east side suburbs always go Democrat due to large African-American and younger population, west side suburbs traditionally went GOP but flipped Democrat under Trump, while south side traditionally went Democrat but flipped GOP under Trump.

[NOVA Green]

Fort Smith- Arkansas- #2: Trump 2020 HOLD

*** It likely includes a small number of unincorporated areas ***

2020 GE PRES:

Biden:         11,475      (39.1%)            +18.2% Trump      (+0.1% Biden Swing)
Trump:        16,820      (57.3%)
Others:         1,038      ( 3.5%)
Total:          29,333 

According to the work our esteemed colleague reagente's work on the 2016 GE "Largest City by State to Vote for Trump Thread, results were as follows for 2016:

Arkansas

Trump wins Fort Smith (#2). Clinton evidently won Little Rock (#1).

Some bits of unincorporated Sebastian County got included in this, but I don't think very many people live in those bits.

Trump - 13,958 (54.92%)
Clinton - 9,301 (36.59%)

I have not attempted to run precinct comparisons between 2016 and 2020, but Fort Smith has an extremely high % of minority residents and a relatively low % of Anglo residents for Arkansas (61%):

18% Latino
9% African-American
6% Asian-American

21% of the population is employed in manufacturing, including one of the largest chicken processing plants in the US ( OK Foods Inc...), as well as Baldor Electric Company...

I am especially interested in where the precinct shifts may or may not have happened based upon Social-Demographics....

The heavily Latino, AAPI, and African-American precincts are all located in the "Northern Neck" of the City where Anglo pop runs only something like 30%.

[NOVA Green]

Fort Smith- Arkansas- #2: Trump 2020 HOLD

*** It likely includes a small number of unincorporated areas ***

2020 GE PRES:

Biden:         11,475      (39.1%)            +18.2% Trump      (+0.1% Biden Swing)
Trump:        16,820      (57.3%)
Others:         1,038      ( 3.5%)
Total:          29,333 

According to the work our esteemed colleague reagente's work on the 2016 GE "Largest City by State to Vote for Trump Thread, results were as follows for 2016:

Arkansas

Trump wins Fort Smith (#2). Clinton evidently won Little Rock (#1).

Some bits of unincorporated Sebastian County got included in this, but I don't think very many people live in those bits.

Trump - 13,958 (54.92%)
Clinton - 9,301 (36.59%)

I have not attempted to run precinct comparisons between 2016 and 2020, but Fort Smith has an extremely high % of minority residents and a relatively low % of Anglo residents for Arkansas (61%):

18% Latino
9% African-American
6% Asian-American

21% of the population is employed in manufacturing, including one of the largest chicken processing plants in the US ( OK Foods Inc...), as well as Baldor Electric Company...

I am especially interested in where the precinct shifts may or may not have happened based upon Social-Demographics....

The heavily Latino, AAPI, and African-American precincts are all located in the "Northern Neck" of the City where Anglo pop runs only something like 30%.

I neglected to note in my previous post about the influence of the 1980 and the Mariel Boatlift upon the local community, where the KKK and local residents effectively performed vigilante action against refugee detainees, who rioted and breached the prison walls in order to escape the confines of the prison condition and effectively "walk through the park".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Chaffee_crisis#:~:text=The%20Fort%20Chaffee%20crisis%20occurred,still%20detained%20at%20the%20center.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Chaffee_Maneuver_Training_Center

Klan Country is Klan Country, and despite the fact this ~40 years after the incident we still got "Caravan of Fools" type folks running as active vigilantes, reminds me of an awesome Biography which I read about Barry Goldwater, which described how the State of Mississippi had effectively ceded local law enforcement to goons running around the State in their Pick-Up Trucks and Johnny Reb flags as part of an "alternative law enforcement model"...