Now that Biden has "won", remember this:

[tjstarling]

You just have to accept that Donald Trump was a bad President and a bad person, and he has paid the price for it.

I accept neither.

The only thing I accept at this point is that he lost the Popular Vote.

Good Presidents don’t lose re-election

Grover Cleveland, William Howard Taft, Herbert Hoover, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, and George H. W. Bush were all "good Presidents".  They were not candidates for Mount Rushmore, but they weren't Hardings, Pierces, or Buchanans.  (Taft and Bush, arguably, would have won re-election were it not for significant third-party challenges.)

Herbert Hoover?

[tjstarling]

You just have to accept that Donald Trump was a bad President and a bad person, and he has paid the price for it.

I accept neither.

The only thing I accept at this point is that he lost the Popular Vote.

Good Presidents don’t lose re-election

Grover Cleveland, William Howard Taft, Herbert Hoover, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, and George H. W. Bush were all "good Presidents".  They were not candidates for Mount Rushmore, but they weren't Hardings, Pierces, or Buchanans.  (Taft and Bush, arguably, would have won re-election were it not for significant third-party challenges.)

Herbert Hoover?

Hoover was not a bad President.  He was overwhelmed by the Depression, but he wasn't lost at his job.  He wasn't a Franklin Pierce or a James Buchanan.  He wasn't a Warren Harding (who was popular and who would have been re-elected in a landslide).

Had Hoover been elected in a different time he’d may have been an outstanding President.  Indeed, if he had been President in the 1920s he would may have curbed some of the free market excesses that led to the Stock Market crash of 1929.

Fixed. Hoover, like Carter, was a decent person who’s biggest achievements lay outside their presidencies. But Hoover was a terrible politician and was ineptly conservative when confronting the depression. He was a bad president.