John Murtha (D) vs. Tom Tancredo (R)

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Murtha/Murtha

Murtha destroys Tancredo. Post maps.

[MasterJedi]

Tancredo/Tancredo

[Mr. Paleoconservative]

Tancredo's social conservatism, mild economic populism, and stance on illegal immigration have him swamp the inner city white ethnic vote in Michigan and Ohio, while it costs him Arizona, New Mexico and almost costs him Florida (Murtha's continued flubs comparing troops to criminals and perceived senility cost him the state), but a super-majority out of the panhandle brings home the gold for Tancredo.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Tancredo/Tancredo

A far far right winger wins over a populist Democrat? Wow, you are quite the hack.

[MasterJedi]

Tancredo/Tancredo

A far far right winger wins over a populist Democrat? Wow, you are quite the hack.

Illegal immigration helps him win. I wouldn't be talking about being a hack, you should look at yourself for it.

[© tweed]

Tancredo/Tancredo

A far far right winger wins over a populist Democrat? Wow, you are quite the hack.

Illegal immigration helps him win. I wouldn't be talking about being a hack, you should look at yourself for it.

His immigration position is hardly popular.

[adam]

Tancredo/Tancredo

A far far right winger wins over a populist Democrat? Wow, you are quite the hack.

Illegal immigration helps him win. I wouldn't be talking about being a hack, you should look at yourself for it.

His immigration position is hardly popular.

I beg to differ. People are clamoring for a candidate who is hard-line on immigration. People are tired of dealing with the illegal alien crisis and would like to have someone who doesn't pretend as though these worker programs are not amnesty.

I think Murtha's record as a looney nutcase seals his fate against Tancredo who will be able to play to the hearts of people who are sick of illegal immigration.

Tancredo - 51% - 334 EVs
Murtha - 47% - 204 EVs
Other - 2%

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Murtha/Murtha

[© tweed]

I beg to differ. People are clamoring for a candidate who is hard-line on immigration. People are tired of dealing with the illegal alien crisis and would like to have someone who doesn't pretend as though these worker programs are not amnesty.

What people?  The polls disagree with you:

Please tell me if you favor or oppose..."Allowing illegal immigrants who have jobs in the United States to apply for legal, temporary-worker status" Favor 63% Oppose 29%

"Would you favor or oppose allowing illegal immigrants who have done the following to stay and work in the United States: paid a fine, been in the U.S. for at least five years, paid any back taxes they owe, can speak English, and have no criminal record?" Favor 77% Oppose 19%

Would you favor or oppose ..."Creating a program that would allow illegal immigrants already living in the United States for a number of years to stay in this country and apply for U.S. citizenship if they had a job and paid back taxes" Favor 79% Oppose 18%

You get the idea.  A solid majority+ of Americans favor an amnesty program.

[adam]

I beg to differ. People are clamoring for a candidate who is hard-line on immigration. People are tired of dealing with the illegal alien crisis and would like to have someone who doesn't pretend as though these worker programs are not amnesty.

What people?  The polls disagree with you:

Please tell me if you favor or oppose..."Allowing illegal immigrants who have jobs in the United States to apply for legal, temporary-worker status" Favor 63% Oppose 29%

"Would you favor or oppose allowing illegal immigrants who have done the following to stay and work in the United States: paid a fine, been in the U.S. for at least five years, paid any back taxes they owe, can speak English, and have no criminal record?" Favor 77% Oppose 19%

Would you favor or oppose ..."Creating a program that would allow illegal immigrants already living in the United States for a number of years to stay in this country and apply for U.S. citizenship if they had a job and paid back taxes" Favor 79% Oppose 18%

You get the idea.  A solid majority+ of Americans favor an amnesty program.

Not these Americans http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/03/immigration.poll/

[© tweed]

I beg to differ. People are clamoring for a candidate who is hard-line on immigration. People are tired of dealing with the illegal alien crisis and would like to have someone who doesn't pretend as though these worker programs are not amnesty.

What people?  The polls disagree with you:

Please tell me if you favor or oppose..."Allowing illegal immigrants who have jobs in the United States to apply for legal, temporary-worker status" Favor 63% Oppose 29%

"Would you favor or oppose allowing illegal immigrants who have done the following to stay and work in the United States: paid a fine, been in the U.S. for at least five years, paid any back taxes they owe, can speak English, and have no criminal record?" Favor 77% Oppose 19%

Would you favor or oppose ..."Creating a program that would allow illegal immigrants already living in the United States for a number of years to stay in this country and apply for U.S. citizenship if they had a job and paid back taxes" Favor 79% Oppose 18%

You get the idea.  A solid majority+ of Americans favor an amnesty program.

Not these Americans http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/03/immigration.poll/

That just measures how big an issue it is to them.  It doesn't deal with the issue of amnesty.  Did you actually read the article?

And why did you (conveniently) ignore the results of the 3 polls I posted?

[adam]

I beg to differ. People are clamoring for a candidate who is hard-line on immigration. People are tired of dealing with the illegal alien crisis and would like to have someone who doesn't pretend as though these worker programs are not amnesty.

What people?  The polls disagree with you:

Please tell me if you favor or oppose..."Allowing illegal immigrants who have jobs in the United States to apply for legal, temporary-worker status" Favor 63% Oppose 29%

"Would you favor or oppose allowing illegal immigrants who have done the following to stay and work in the United States: paid a fine, been in the U.S. for at least five years, paid any back taxes they owe, can speak English, and have no criminal record?" Favor 77% Oppose 19%

Would you favor or oppose ..."Creating a program that would allow illegal immigrants already living in the United States for a number of years to stay in this country and apply for U.S. citizenship if they had a job and paid back taxes" Favor 79% Oppose 18%

You get the idea.  A solid majority+ of Americans favor an amnesty program.

Not these Americans http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/03/immigration.poll/

That just measures how big an issue it is to them.  It doesn't deal with the issue of amnesty.  Did you actually read the article?

And why did you (conveniently) ignore the results of the 3 polls I posted?

I didn't ignore them, the fact they are all from one page is subject though...and nothing is conveinent about how big a pain in the ass you're being.

Anyways..

http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/2006poll.html
http://www.cnn.com/POLL/results/1599291.html
http://www.npg.org/facts/immpolls.htm
http://www.balance.org/asap/asappolls.html
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/27/D8GK40R09.html

[© tweed]

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First-Zogby poll, so it's useless.  Ask anyone on the board.
Second- CNN quickvote doesn't count.  It's an unscientfic sample and the results mean nothing.  It even says that in the link you provided.
Third and Fourth are a decade and more old.
Fifth is valid, and in conflict with other polls produced.

And what different does it make if I get all of the polls from the same page?  They are done by different polling organization, just organized on one page.  That issue is irrelevant.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Tancredo/Tancredo

A far far right winger wins over a populist Democrat? Wow, you are quite the hack.

Illegal immigration helps him win. I wouldn't be talking about being a hack, you should look at yourself for it.

Click on my gubernatorial and senatorial predictions, then compare them to the compiled ones. How is that hackish? And there's a good part of the country where people simply do not care about illegal immigration, as it's not big here.

I beg to differ. People are clamoring for a candidate who is hard-line on immigration. People are tired of dealing with the illegal alien crisis and would like to have someone who doesn't pretend as though these worker programs are not amnesty.

I think Murtha's record as a looney nutcase seals his fate against Tancredo who will be able to play to the hearts of people who are sick of illegal immigration.

Tancredo - 51% - 334 EVs
Murtha - 47% - 204 EVs
Other - 2%

Aside from the fact that his stance is not mainstream as Tweed pointed out, how about all the people who don't care about illegal immigration? I mean, Iowa voted for Gore, almost voted for Kerry, so why would it reject a candidate much more in line with its politics because of illegal immigration? How many illegal immigrants are there in Iowa? The same is true of all the northern Kerry states you flipped, including Murtha's home state, which he would definitely not be losing. The illegal immigration issue is simply regional.

[adam]

Aside from the fact that his stance is not mainstream as Tweed pointed out, how about all the people who don't care about illegal immigration? I mean, Iowa voted for Gore, almost voted for Kerry, so why would it reject a candidate much more in line with its politics because of illegal immigration? How many illegal immigrants are there in Iowa? The same is true of all the northern Kerry states you flipped, including Murtha's home state, which he would definitely not be losing. The illegal immigration issue is simply regional.

All this is coordination with the fact Murtha is the modern day version of George McGovern. People see him as a loon, Tancredo isn't much better...but I think he would be able to keep his psychopathy under control better than Murtha. Illegal immigration is a big debate regardless of where you live, the Geno's thing...Pennsylvania.

[Nym90]

Murtha is precisely the kind of Democrat who would (and does) do well in the Midwest. To suggest he'd lose Michigan, Wisconsin, or Ohio or the like is pretty ridiculous in my opinion.

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Murth would easily win despite being 76 in 2008. Some liberals have actually seriously said that they want him to run.

[TomC]

Murtha would destroy Tancredo. The maps above are ridiculous.

[adam]

Murtha would destroy Tancredo. The maps above are ridiculous.

You think Tancredo would lose his homestate of Colorado?

[TomC]

Yes. It's happened to much better politicians.

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Obviously the chickenhawks are underrating Murtha.

[Nym90]

Tancredo is a member of the House only, and so hasn't demonstrated any statewide appeal in Colorado. I think that would make him more likely to lose his home state than most politicians who have won statewide office.

[WalterMitty]

i wouldnt vote for either of these two crazies.

by the way, what is murtha's position on immigration?  since he is bought and paid for by labor unions, im sure he is probably a xenophobe.

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i wouldnt vote for either of these two crazies.

by the way, what is murtha's position on immigration?  since he is bought and paid for by labor unions, im sure he is probably a xenophobe.

Many unions are not anti-immigration.

[HardRCafé]

A Murtha bid would educate us on the pain and suffering of degenerative disease, but that would be its sole achievement.  Tancredo and Congress would have the worst working relationship since the nineteenth century.