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« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2020, 05:37:28 PM »

If they refuse to work with Biden he should govern using executive orders. And if the sc has a problem with it we can just tell them to screw off! Its not like they have enforcement power
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« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2020, 05:49:59 PM »

Assuming either Republicans control the Senate or a 50-50 Senate, (one of those two things will happen), I don't Biden will even be able to confirm a cabinet nominee.

In addition to that, once Republicans take the House in 2022 (I expect that'll happen,the question is by how much),I'd expect Republicans to begin impeachment proceedings against Harris and Biden and install Kevin McCarthy as President (or more likely, they elect Trump or Trump Jr. Speaker, and and install him as President).

Where are Republicans going to find the votes for a Senate conviction? One of the (many) perverse lessons of the Trump era is that the president is immune to checks and balances provided his/her party is completely devoid of integrity and willing to excuse any transgression. Hopefully, Biden exploits this wrinkle in the system to maximum partisan advantage. Because I have no doubt that future Republican presidents (should we be so unfortunate) won't hesitate to follow their predecessor's example. It's just the unfortunate ethical price of being dragged into unrestrained political warfare with a nascent fascist movement.
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« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2020, 05:53:12 PM »

If they refuse to work with Biden he should govern using executive orders. And if the sc has a problem with it we can just tell them to screw off! Its not like they have enforcement power

No, they don't. And neither does a GOP Senate majority consisting of fewer than 67 members.
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« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2020, 06:00:20 PM »

Assuming either Republicans control the Senate or a 50-50 Senate, (one of those two things will happen), I don't Biden will even be able to confirm a cabinet nominee.

In addition to that, once Republicans take the House in 2022 (I expect that'll happen,the question is by how much),I'd expect Republicans to begin impeachment proceedings against Harris and Biden and install Kevin McCarthy as President (or more likely, they elect Trump or Trump Jr. Speaker, and and install him as President).

Where are Republicans going to find the votes for a Senate conviction? One of the (many) perverse lessons of the Trump era is that the president is immune to checks and balances provided his/her party is completely devoid of integrity and willing to excuse any transgression. Hopefully, Biden exploits this wrinkle in the system to maximum partisan advantage. Because I have no doubt that future Republican presidents (should we be so unfortunate) won't hesitate to follow their predecessor's example. It's just the unfortunate ethical price of being dragged into unrestrained political warfare with a nascent fascist movement.

They'll get the Supreme Court that removal from office depends on the number of total Senators present, and then just lock out all of the Democrats.
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« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2020, 06:17:22 PM »

Many would on certain issues. If Biden proposes an industrial policy, I could see Rubio and Young being key players.
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« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2020, 06:18:03 PM »

Tucker Carlson is not a White Nationalist.  That assertion is ridiculous.

Steve King has committed no crimes (though he is a jackass whose defeat is an FF moment).

BLM and Antifa have committed wanton violent crimes.  Joe Biden has refused to acknowledge that.  Kamala Harris publicly called for more "demonstrations".

But, hey, if Pelosi wishes to do that, great!  I assure you there's a lot more public support for my idea than yours.  A LOT more.
Tucker Carlson has described Arabs as “semi literate primitive monkeys” and, since they’re less than people, it doesn’t make sense for America to care about what happens to them. He said Hispanic immigrants will make our country dirtier and poorer. He defended Steve King for saying he saw no problem with white nationalism, for meeting with literal Nazis in Europe. His head writer was just fired because it came out that he was a white nationalist, and Tucker said it was radical BLM people trying to cancel anyone related to his show. He’s said that Democratic politicians and Democratic voters are not good Americans. I’ve talked to dozens of Republicans who joined his defense of Steve King.

The FBI, hardly a left leaning organization, has said that white nationalists are the primary source of domestic terrorism. The only significant far left violence comes from eco terrorists and animal rights radicals, and they are dwarfed by the threat of white nationalism. Your denial and defense of Tucker Carlson - who David Duke said has finally put his ideology on national news - is insane. This is a guy who uses the same exact language as white nationalists - he explicitly says that white people are the real victims of almost all racism in America. That idea undeniably and explicitly comes from suit and tie white nationalists.
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« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2020, 06:19:39 PM »

Some blowhard hack in this thread:

"The GOP Senate should REFUSE to even read any of Biden’s texts and DMs until Biden OFFICIALLY acknowledges and endorses every single one of our wacky right-wing conspiracies, and then resigns in DISGRACE on January 21st.  It’s only fair."
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« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2020, 06:49:49 PM »

Should Biden be elected President (a loathsome outcome that, of course, is quite possible), I would hope that they would provide the most stringent resistance to everything Biden does ever.

The Republican Senate should refuse to commit to appoint a single Biden nominee or act on a single Biden initiative.  It should impose uber-gridlock on our government until Biden does the following:

1.  Make a statement explicitly condemning Black Lives Matter and Antifa by name.  Such a statement would unequivocally point out that it is THOSE organizations SPECIFICALLY that have been responsible for the criminal violence, and that he recognizes (and is grieved by) the fact that the people in the streets that were rioting overwhelmingly voted for HIM.  Such a statement would need to state that it is NEVER permissible to riot, to damage buildings, to harass people on the street and in their homes, to pull down public monuments (no matter how offensive one may find them), to block traffic, etc.  Such a statement should emphasize that it does not make it OK that people were doing this to "fight racism" or "bring about change".  And Biden needs to include in his statement both an apology for not making such a firm statement earlier and a refuting of Kamala Harris's statements to the effect that the demonstrations need to continue.  (And, yes, he must repudiate his own VP here; he can get around this by pointing out that she made this particular idiotic statement before he foolishly concluded that she was the best person to succeed him should he kick the bucket or be consigned to a rest home for the senile.)  Joe can still read a teleprompter; he can do this.

2.  Call for a Special Prosecutor to investigate the interference into President Trump's 2016 campaign and transition, focusing on Comey, Brennan, etc.  The interference and spying on Trump's 2016 campaign is indefensible and Biden (who, of course, has nothing to hide) ought to be totally comfortable in appointing such a Special Prosecutor.  (After all, President Biden will certainly want to get to the real truth of that matter, won't he?)

3.  Announce that as long as he is President, seminars and trainings based on Critical Race Theory, the works of Robin DeAngelo, etc. will not be permitted to be used in any Federal employment or in the military or Federal Law Enforcement.

4.  Announce a pardon of Michael Flynn, together with a statement that his indictment was a travesty and should never have happened.

5.  Apologize to Trump Supporters for Hillary calling them "Deplorables" and himself calling them "Chumps".  Specifically recognize that they are overwhelmingly hardworking and decent people, with whom he may disagree, but whom do not deserve the treatment they have received in the media, by much of Hollywood, and by others in the Democratic Party.

This much should be the minimum for Joe Biden to be able to do business with the GOP Senate.  Most of this involves little more than swallowing his pride.  Then again, if Joe Biden had any pride, he would have admitted to himself he wasn't up to the job of being President and wouldn't have run.




If the Republicans were to do this, the Democrats would run the tape of this over and over in the 2022 midterms saying "Don't blame us for not getting anything done, this is the mindless obstruction we were blocked by."
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« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2020, 07:22:04 PM »

Should Biden be elected President (a loathsome outcome that, of course, is quite possible), I would hope that they would provide the most stringent resistance to everything Biden does ever.

The Republican Senate should refuse to commit to appoint a single Biden nominee or act on a single Biden initiative.  It should impose uber-gridlock on our government

You’ll be delighted to here that’s the plan.

You might find the theory of the unity executive less impressive than you have previously though.
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« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2020, 07:32:05 PM »
« Edited: November 05, 2020, 07:36:55 PM by R.P. McM »

Assuming either Republicans control the Senate or a 50-50 Senate, (one of those two things will happen), I don't Biden will even be able to confirm a cabinet nominee.

In addition to that, once Republicans take the House in 2022 (I expect that'll happen,the question is by how much),I'd expect Republicans to begin impeachment proceedings against Harris and Biden and install Kevin McCarthy as President (or more likely, they elect Trump or Trump Jr. Speaker, and and install him as President).

Where are Republicans going to find the votes for a Senate conviction? One of the (many) perverse lessons of the Trump era is that the president is immune to checks and balances provided his/her party is completely devoid of integrity and willing to excuse any transgression. Hopefully, Biden exploits this wrinkle in the system to maximum partisan advantage. Because I have no doubt that future Republican presidents (should we be so unfortunate) won't hesitate to follow their predecessor's example. It's just the unfortunate ethical price of being dragged into unrestrained political warfare with a nascent fascist movement.

They'll get the Supreme Court that removal from office depends on the number of total Senators present, and then just lock out all of the Democrats.

How many divisions does the Pope Supreme Court have? Six middle-aged-to-geriatric justices attempting to rewrite the Constitution arbitrarily, engaged in a contest of wills with the Executive Branch? Eh, I don't like their odds ...
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« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2020, 07:55:22 PM »

Collins
Murkowski
Portman
Capito
Romney
Cassidy
Grassley
Rubio
Moran
Boozman
Young
Wicker
Hoeven
Tuberville (wildcard but possible)
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« Reply #36 on: November 06, 2020, 09:38:49 AM »

Should Biden be elected President (a loathsome outcome that, of course, is quite possible), I would hope that they would provide the most stringent resistance to everything Biden does ever.

The Republican Senate should refuse to commit to appoint a single Biden nominee or act on a single Biden initiative.  It should impose uber-gridlock on our government until Biden does the following:

1.  Make a statement explicitly condemning Black Lives Matter and Antifa by name.  Such a statement would unequivocally point out that it is THOSE organizations SPECIFICALLY that have been responsible for the criminal violence, and that he recognizes (and is grieved by) the fact that the people in the streets that were rioting overwhelmingly voted for HIM.  Such a statement would need to state that it is NEVER permissible to riot, to damage buildings, to harass people on the street and in their homes, to pull down public monuments (no matter how offensive one may find them), to block traffic, etc.  Such a statement should emphasize that it does not make it OK that people were doing this to "fight racism" or "bring about change".  And Biden needs to include in his statement both an apology for not making such a firm statement earlier and a refuting of Kamala Harris's statements to the effect that the demonstrations need to continue.  (And, yes, he must repudiate his own VP here; he can get around this by pointing out that she made this particular idiotic statement before he foolishly concluded that she was the best person to succeed him should he kick the bucket or be consigned to a rest home for the senile.)  Joe can still read a teleprompter; he can do this.

2.  Call for a Special Prosecutor to investigate the interference into President Trump's 2016 campaign and transition, focusing on Comey, Brennan, etc.  The interference and spying on Trump's 2016 campaign is indefensible and Biden (who, of course, has nothing to hide) ought to be totally comfortable in appointing such a Special Prosecutor.  (After all, President Biden will certainly want to get to the real truth of that matter, won't he?)

3.  Announce that as long as he is President, seminars and trainings based on Critical Race Theory, the works of Robin DeAngelo, etc. will not be permitted to be used in any Federal employment or in the military or Federal Law Enforcement.

4.  Announce a pardon of Michael Flynn, together with a statement that his indictment was a travesty and should never have happened.

5.  Apologize to Trump Supporters for Hillary calling them "Deplorables" and himself calling them "Chumps".  Specifically recognize that they are overwhelmingly hardworking and decent people, with whom he may disagree, but whom do not deserve the treatment they have received in the media, by much of Hollywood, and by others in the Democratic Party.

This much should be the minimum for Joe Biden to be able to do business with the GOP Senate.  Most of this involves little more than swallowing his pride.  Then again, if Joe Biden had any pride, he would have admitted to himself he wasn't up to the job of being President and wouldn't have run.




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Anyway, doesn't McConnell have control over what gets to the floor? So a couple of defectors wouldn't be enough for major legislation.
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« Reply #37 on: November 06, 2020, 12:04:18 PM »

Should Biden be elected President (a loathsome outcome that, of course, is quite possible), I would hope that they would provide the most stringent resistance to everything Biden does ever.

The Republican Senate should refuse to commit to appoint a single Biden nominee or act on a single Biden initiative.  It should impose uber-gridlock on our government until Biden does the following:

1.  Make a statement explicitly condemning Black Lives Matter and Antifa by name.  Such a statement would unequivocally point out that it is THOSE organizations SPECIFICALLY that have been responsible for the criminal violence, and that he recognizes (and is grieved by) the fact that the people in the streets that were rioting overwhelmingly voted for HIM.  Such a statement would need to state that it is NEVER permissible to riot, to damage buildings, to harass people on the street and in their homes, to pull down public monuments (no matter how offensive one may find them), to block traffic, etc.  Such a statement should emphasize that it does not make it OK that people were doing this to "fight racism" or "bring about change".  And Biden needs to include in his statement both an apology for not making such a firm statement earlier and a refuting of Kamala Harris's statements to the effect that the demonstrations need to continue.  (And, yes, he must repudiate his own VP here; he can get around this by pointing out that she made this particular idiotic statement before he foolishly concluded that she was the best person to succeed him should he kick the bucket or be consigned to a rest home for the senile.)  Joe can still read a teleprompter; he can do this.

2.  Call for a Special Prosecutor to investigate the interference into President Trump's 2016 campaign and transition, focusing on Comey, Brennan, etc.  The interference and spying on Trump's 2016 campaign is indefensible and Biden (who, of course, has nothing to hide) ought to be totally comfortable in appointing such a Special Prosecutor.  (After all, President Biden will certainly want to get to the real truth of that matter, won't he?)

3.  Announce that as long as he is President, seminars and trainings based on Critical Race Theory, the works of Robin DeAngelo, etc. will not be permitted to be used in any Federal employment or in the military or Federal Law Enforcement.

4.  Announce a pardon of Michael Flynn, together with a statement that his indictment was a travesty and should never have happened.

5.  Apologize to Trump Supporters for Hillary calling them "Deplorables" and himself calling them "Chumps".  Specifically recognize that they are overwhelmingly hardworking and decent people, with whom he may disagree, but whom do not deserve the treatment they have received in the media, by much of Hollywood, and by others in the Democratic Party.

This much should be the minimum for Joe Biden to be able to do business with the GOP Senate.  Most of this involves little more than swallowing his pride.  Then again, if Joe Biden had any pride, he would have admitted to himself he wasn't up to the job of being President and wouldn't have run.




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Anyway, doesn't McConnell have control over what gets to the floor? So a couple of defectors wouldn't be enough for major legislation.
The answer is "technically yes". Yes, McConnell generally decides the schedule, but that's more senatorial courtesy than anything else. Anyone can make a motion to proceed to any bill at any time. Usually senators will not break with their party on procedural grounds (or at least, will not do so if it is decisive) so the minority does not make procedural motions. But the minority definitely can if they believe they have the votes or want to make a point.

Now for a bill this is generally filibusterable and so very hard for the minority to pass, but for a nomination...it's NOT. So just Murkowski alone could make this possible for Schumer in a 49-51 Senate with respect to the courts and cabinet.
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« Reply #38 on: November 06, 2020, 01:14:57 PM »

If Biden becomes president, they need to just obstruct, don't move an inch back.
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« Reply #39 on: November 06, 2020, 01:18:50 PM »

If Biden becomes president, they need to just obstruct, don't move an inch back.

Because that is in the best interest of the country?
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« Reply #40 on: November 06, 2020, 04:46:29 PM »
« Edited: November 07, 2020, 10:59:24 AM by R.P. McM »

If Biden becomes president, they need to just obstruct, don't move an inch back.

Because that is in the best interest of the country?

If they actually cared about the country, do you think they would've voted for an unhinged, traitorous, authoritarian demagogue? No, they HATE half the country. This is all about preserving Caucasian Christian minority rule.
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« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2020, 07:04:08 PM »

To any tangible extent? Not a damn one.
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« Reply #42 on: November 07, 2020, 11:13:22 AM »

Should Biden be elected President (a loathsome outcome that, of course, is quite possible), I would hope that they would provide the most stringent resistance to everything Biden does ever.

The Republican Senate should refuse to commit to appoint a single Biden nominee or act on a single Biden initiative.  It should impose uber-gridlock on our government until Biden does the following:

1.  Make a statement explicitly condemning Black Lives Matter and Antifa by name.  Such a statement would unequivocally point out that it is THOSE organizations SPECIFICALLY that have been responsible for the criminal violence, and that he recognizes (and is grieved by) the fact that the people in the streets that were rioting overwhelmingly voted for HIM.  Such a statement would need to state that it is NEVER permissible to riot, to damage buildings, to harass people on the street and in their homes, to pull down public monuments (no matter how offensive one may find them), to block traffic, etc.  Such a statement should emphasize that it does not make it OK that people were doing this to "fight racism" or "bring about change".  And Biden needs to include in his statement both an apology for not making such a firm statement earlier and a refuting of Kamala Harris's statements to the effect that the demonstrations need to continue.  (And, yes, he must repudiate his own VP here; he can get around this by pointing out that she made this particular idiotic statement before he foolishly concluded that she was the best person to succeed him should he kick the bucket or be consigned to a rest home for the senile.)  Joe can still read a teleprompter; he can do this.

2.  Call for a Special Prosecutor to investigate the interference into President Trump's 2016 campaign and transition, focusing on Comey, Brennan, etc.  The interference and spying on Trump's 2016 campaign is indefensible and Biden (who, of course, has nothing to hide) ought to be totally comfortable in appointing such a Special Prosecutor.  (After all, President Biden will certainly want to get to the real truth of that matter, won't he?)

3.  Announce that as long as he is President, seminars and trainings based on Critical Race Theory, the works of Robin DeAngelo, etc. will not be permitted to be used in any Federal employment or in the military or Federal Law Enforcement.

4.  Announce a pardon of Michael Flynn, together with a statement that his indictment was a travesty and should never have happened.

5.  Apologize to Trump Supporters for Hillary calling them "Deplorables" and himself calling them "Chumps".  Specifically recognize that they are overwhelmingly hardworking and decent people, with whom he may disagree, but whom do not deserve the treatment they have received in the media, by much of Hollywood, and by others in the Democratic Party.

This much should be the minimum for Joe Biden to be able to do business with the GOP Senate.  Most of this involves little more than swallowing his pride.  Then again, if Joe Biden had any pride, he would have admitted to himself he wasn't up to the job of being President and wouldn't have run.




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« Reply #43 on: November 07, 2020, 01:17:12 PM »


How many divisions does the Pope Supreme Court have? Six middle-aged-to-geriatric justices attempting to rewrite the Constitution arbitrarily, engaged in a contest of wills with the Executive Branch? Eh, I don't like their odds ...

No idea how the US judicial system works, but not obeying court orders is illegal? I imagine contempt of court must be a crime in the US?

And of course, even if somehow disobeying court orders was legal, or Biden pardoned himself and his supporters in advance, it'd still be an impeachable offence, though there is no way he does get removed.
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« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2020, 01:47:38 PM »

Should Biden be elected President (a loathsome outcome that, of course, is quite possible), I would hope that they would provide the most stringent resistance to everything Biden does ever.

The Republican Senate should refuse to commit to appoint a single Biden nominee or act on a single Biden initiative.  It should impose uber-gridlock on our government until Biden does the following:

1.  Make a statement explicitly condemning Black Lives Matter and Antifa by name.  Such a statement would unequivocally point out that it is THOSE organizations SPECIFICALLY that have been responsible for the criminal violence, and that he recognizes (and is grieved by) the fact that the people in the streets that were rioting overwhelmingly voted for HIM.  Such a statement would need to state that it is NEVER permissible to riot, to damage buildings, to harass people on the street and in their homes, to pull down public monuments (no matter how offensive one may find them), to block traffic, etc.  Such a statement should emphasize that it does not make it OK that people were doing this to "fight racism" or "bring about change".  And Biden needs to include in his statement both an apology for not making such a firm statement earlier and a refuting of Kamala Harris's statements to the effect that the demonstrations need to continue.  (And, yes, he must repudiate his own VP here; he can get around this by pointing out that she made this particular idiotic statement before he foolishly concluded that she was the best person to succeed him should he kick the bucket or be consigned to a rest home for the senile.)  Joe can still read a teleprompter; he can do this.

2.  Call for a Special Prosecutor to investigate the interference into President Trump's 2016 campaign and transition, focusing on Comey, Brennan, etc.  The interference and spying on Trump's 2016 campaign is indefensible and Biden (who, of course, has nothing to hide) ought to be totally comfortable in appointing such a Special Prosecutor.  (After all, President Biden will certainly want to get to the real truth of that matter, won't he?)

3.  Announce that as long as he is President, seminars and trainings based on Critical Race Theory, the works of Robin DeAngelo, etc. will not be permitted to be used in any Federal employment or in the military or Federal Law Enforcement.

4.  Announce a pardon of Michael Flynn, together with a statement that his indictment was a travesty and should never have happened.

5.  Apologize to Trump Supporters for Hillary calling them "Deplorables" and himself calling them "Chumps".  Specifically recognize that they are overwhelmingly hardworking and decent people, with whom he may disagree, but whom do not deserve the treatment they have received in the media, by much of Hollywood, and by others in the Democratic Party.

This much should be the minimum for Joe Biden to be able to do business with the GOP Senate.  Most of this involves little more than swallowing his pride.  Then again, if Joe Biden had any pride, he would have admitted to himself he wasn't up to the job of being President and wouldn't have run.



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« Reply #47 on: November 09, 2020, 12:45:00 PM »
« Edited: November 09, 2020, 03:55:43 PM by R.P. McM »


How many divisions does the Pope Supreme Court have? Six middle-aged-to-geriatric justices attempting to rewrite the Constitution arbitrarily, engaged in a contest of wills with the Executive Branch? Eh, I don't like their odds ...

No idea how the US judicial system works, but not obeying court orders is illegal? I imagine contempt of court must be a crime in the US?

And of course, even if somehow disobeying court orders was legal, or Biden pardoned himself and his supporters in advance, it'd still be an impeachable offence, though there is no way he does get removed.

Yeah, exactly. So it's nothing. If the president's party refuses to hold him/her accountable, there's no enforcement mechanism, and s/he is free to flout court orders without consequence.
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« Reply #48 on: November 09, 2020, 06:26:02 PM »

I'd assume Collins and Romney, maybe Murkowski. The rest of the GOP has resigned itself to blocking anything and everything Democrats will try to do.
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« Reply #49 on: November 09, 2020, 06:52:56 PM »

Which pigs can fly?
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