CONGRESSIONAL RESULTS MEGA THREAD

[2016]

Pure desperation from Hart.. lol.

It's not desperation. 1984.....

In any case Hart should probably concede.

Power's a wonderful drug.

House democrats are probably the word biggest hypocrites, they should really stop lecturing us about how Trump is destroying democracy by refusing to concede when they can’t even accept losing a seat.

This!

I'll give Hart until the end of the month but that's it then. There wasn't obvious fraud in IA-2.

People making comparisions to Trump because he isn't conceding is hilarious! Trump will never publicly concede but he did say that he would withdraw his lawsuits if the Electoral College elects Biden come December 14th.

At least Trump is going through the Courts while Hart isn't because she knows she would lose.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

What the Hart Campaign is doing is IMO total "Cringeworthy".

She knows she will lose before that 5 Judge Panel so she goes directly to the House.

SORE LOSER!

Weren't you a Trump supporter?

[Frenchrepublican]

Pure desperation from Hart.. lol.

It's not desperation. 1984.....

In any case Hart should probably concede.

Power's a wonderful drug.

House democrats are probably the word biggest hypocrites, they should really stop lecturing us about how Trump is destroying democracy by refusing to concede when they can’t even accept losing a seat.

The rhetoric coming from Trump is far, far more dangerous. My parents are becoming completely unhinged over the Trump loss. They think the whole system needs to be torn down, the democratic party completely stole the election everywhere, China will take over America, everything is fake, etc. The president has far more influence than a random house member. Trump also lost by more than Hart did.

6 vote margin "sore loser Hart, concede now"

7 million vote margin, with hundreds of thousands of votes in the relevant EC states "the President is well within his rights to contest this result"

Kind of a strawman tbh. I don't think anyone is advocating for Hart to concede but not Trump.

Well if the democratic House majority declares Hart the winner and seats her in the House, this statement would have some justification.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Pure desperation from Hart.. lol.

It's not desperation. 1984.....

In any case Hart should probably concede.

Power's a wonderful drug.

House democrats are probably the word biggest hypocrites, they should really stop lecturing us about how Trump is destroying democracy by refusing to concede when they can’t even accept losing a seat.

The rhetoric coming from Trump is far, far more dangerous. My parents are becoming completely unhinged over the Trump loss. They think the whole system needs to be torn down, the democratic party completely stole the election everywhere, China will take over America, everything is fake, etc. The president has far more influence than a random house member. Trump also lost by more than Hart did.

6 vote margin "sore loser Hart, concede now"

7 million vote margin, with hundreds of thousands of votes in the relevant EC states "the President is well within his rights to contest this result"

Kind of a strawman tbh. I don't think anyone is advocating for Hart to concede but not Trump.

Well if the democratic House majority declares Hart the winner and seats her in the House, this statement would have some justification.

Would that cancel out Bush’s “win” in 2000?  I ask this as someone who opposes unilaterally seating Hart.

[Frenchrepublican]

Pure desperation from Hart.. lol.

It's not desperation. 1984.....

In any case Hart should probably concede.

Power's a wonderful drug.

House democrats are probably the word biggest hypocrites, they should really stop lecturing us about how Trump is destroying democracy by refusing to concede when they can’t even accept losing a seat.

The rhetoric coming from Trump is far, far more dangerous. My parents are becoming completely unhinged over the Trump loss. They think the whole system needs to be torn down, the democratic party completely stole the election everywhere, China will take over America, everything is fake, etc. The president has far more influence than a random house member. Trump also lost by more than Hart did.

6 vote margin "sore loser Hart, concede now"

7 million vote margin, with hundreds of thousands of votes in the relevant EC states "the President is well within his rights to contest this result"

Kind of a strawman tbh. I don't think anyone is advocating for Hart to concede but not Trump.

Well if the democratic House majority declares Hart the winner and seats her in the House, this statement would have some justification.

Would that cancel out Bush’s “win” in 2000?  I ask this as someone who opposes unilaterally seating Hart.

Hart, contrary to Bush, is not even making her case in front of a judge, she is going straight to Pelosi. Also, IA-2 has been already certified, including by two dems, if Hart is seated this seat will have been stolen and it's not metaphorical.

[BudgieForce]

I genuinely doubt Pelosi would agree to seat Hart over Miller-Meeks.

[Tekken_Guy]

Should Democrats use IA-2 as a bargaining chip? They will agree to seat Miller-Meeks in the house in exchange for policy concessions.

[BudgieForce]

If I'm reading right, Hart isn't even asking to be seated. She's just asking for an extension beyond the December 8th deadline.

[Frenchrepublican]

Should Democrats use IA-2 as a bargaining chip? They will agree to seat Miller-Meeks in the house in exchange for policy concessions.

It's total no sense.

Hart lost because she got less votes than her opponent, it's a fact, there is nothing to negotiate on that. Policies are bargainable democracy isn't.

If Pelosi decides to seat Hart despite the results being validated by the state board (which includes two democrats), House democrats will have to pay the political price for it in two years.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Should Democrats use IA-2 as a bargaining chip? They will agree to seat Miller-Meeks in the house in exchange for policy concessions.

It's total no sense.

Hart lost because she got less votes than her opponent, it's a fact, there is nothing to negotiate on that. Policies are bargainable democracy isn't.

If Pelosi decides to seat Hart despite the results being validated by the state board (which includes two democrats), House democrats will have to pay the political price for it in two years.

I doubt Pelosi would go for it, and if she did I imagine some Blue Dogs would flip and deny her a majority on it.

If they did go through with it, I could easily see McConnell going nuclear and refusing to seat Warnock if that race ends in a narrow Dem victory.

It's one of those escalations that's not worth the benefit.

[Torie]

Well now that team Tenney is ahead by 12 votes, her lawyers have now made a filing advocating that the judge now order that she be certified the winner, cuz there is nothing more to see here, and it is time to move on. It's the election that is the gift that just keeps giving - to lawyers!

Team Brindisi wants a partial recount, but apparently not more for the moment, the better to find out the identity of who is first past the post might change, and if it does, of course then the two sides will switch places, and can just use the other side's prior filings - Gore v. Bush all over again.

https://twitter.com/JRosenblattTV

[VAR]

https://twitter.com/aaronlarnavarro/status/1334232483269898240

[BudgieForce]

I do find the dramatics from some of the Republican leaning posters in this thread humorous after the past month. If Trump is allowed to exhaust his legal options like so my Republican senators and congress members have stated, why isn't Hart awarded the same?

[lfromnj]

Should Democrats use IA-2 as a bargaining chip? They will agree to seat Miller-Meeks in the house in exchange for policy concessions.

It's total no sense.

Hart lost because she got less votes than her opponent, it's a fact, there is nothing to negotiate on that. Policies are bargainable democracy isn't.

If Pelosi decides to seat Hart despite the results being validated by the state board (which includes two democrats), House democrats will have to pay the political price for it in two years.

I doubt Pelosi would go for it, and if she did I imagine some Blue Dogs would flip and deny her a majority on it.

If they did go through with it, I could easily see McConnell going nuclear and refusing to seat Warnock if that race ends in a narrow Dem victory.

It's one of those escalations that's not worth the benefit.

Well if Warnock and Ossoff both win McConnel won't be majority leader?

[BudgieForce]

Pure desperation from Hart.. lol.

It's not desperation. 1984.....

In any case Hart should probably concede.

Power's a wonderful drug.

House democrats are probably the word biggest hypocrites, they should really stop lecturing us about how Trump is destroying democracy by refusing to concede when they can’t even accept losing a seat.

The rhetoric coming from Trump is far, far more dangerous. My parents are becoming completely unhinged over the Trump loss. They think the whole system needs to be torn down, the democratic party completely stole the election everywhere, China will take over America, everything is fake, etc. The president has far more influence than a random house member. Trump also lost by more than Hart did.

6 vote margin "sore loser Hart, concede now"

7 million vote margin, with hundreds of thousands of votes in the relevant EC states "the President is well within his rights to contest this result"

Kind of a strawman tbh. I don't think anyone is advocating for Hart to concede but not Trump.

Well if the democratic House majority declares Hart the winner and seats her in the House, this statement would have some justification.

Just a note, the House wont just declare Hart the winner over Miller-Meeks. In 1984, the house ordered a recount(power given to them by the Federal Contested Elections Act) and the democrat took the lead.

[Xing]

Should Democrats use IA-2 as a bargaining chip? They will agree to seat Miller-Meeks in the house in exchange for policy concessions.

It's total no sense.

Hart lost because she got less votes than her opponent, it's a fact, there is nothing to negotiate on that. Policies are bargainable democracy isn't.

If Pelosi decides to seat Hart despite the results being validated by the state board (which includes two democrats), House democrats will have to pay the political price for it in two years.

No one will remember this in 2022. (For the record, I don't think Hart should be seated.) It's not like Republicans suffered for what Mark Harris did in 2018.

[2016]

I do find the dramatics from some of the Republican leaning posters in this thread humorous after the past month. If Trump is allowed to exhaust his legal options like so my Republican senators and congress members have stated, why isn't Hart awarded the same?

Because she is in fact not exhausting legal options.

Exhausting legal options would be going though Courts whether those are Iowa Courts only or Federal Circuit Courts doesn't matter.

Going directly to the United States House of Representatives asking them to overturn the Election Results ain't legal options in my book.

Hart will have a really tough time with it because both, the Iowa Auditor as well as the Iowa State Treasurer (BOTH ARE DEMOCRATS) are certified Marianette Miller-Meeks too and they certainly would have objected if there was some fraud or further problem.

[Skill and Chance]

It would be a political disaster for the Democrats that would cost them a lot more than one seat in 2022 if they were to go against the certified result of the state of Iowa and seat Hart.

I do agree with this.  It would be an open invitation to state legislatures to just appoint their own electors the next time a state goes to a recount in a presidential election with the opposite party of the legislative majority leading. 

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Should Democrats use IA-2 as a bargaining chip? They will agree to seat Miller-Meeks in the house in exchange for policy concessions.

It's total no sense.

Hart lost because she got less votes than her opponent, it's a fact, there is nothing to negotiate on that. Policies are bargainable democracy isn't.

If Pelosi decides to seat Hart despite the results being validated by the state board (which includes two democrats), House democrats will have to pay the political price for it in two years.

No one will remember this in 2022. (For the record, I don't think Hart should be seated.) It's not like Republicans suffered for what Mark Harris did in 2018.

Harris was a wild case because he stole both the primary and the general, and the GOP lent him relatively little support once the shady stuff came out.

It was relatively hard to portray that as some kind of GOP conspiracy.

[Alcibiades]

A 6 vote margin is essentially a statistical tie, with no way of knowing who actually got more valid votes, and a special election would be fairest, although I understand this is not the done thing, and, barring compelling evidence there are uncounted votes, Miller-Meeks should probably be seated.

[KaiserDave]

A 6 vote margin is essentially a statistical tie, with no way of knowing who actually got more valid votes, and a special election would be fairest, although I understand this is not the done thing, and, barring compelling evidence there are uncounted votes, Miller-Meeks should probably be seated.

This is also my position

[2016]

David Wasserman agrees with me

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1334232508846772224

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1334274172214800388

This is going nowhere IMO!

[2016]

A 6 vote margin is essentially a statistical tie, with no way of knowing who actually got more valid votes, and a special election would be fairest, although I understand this is not the done thing, and, barring compelling evidence there are uncounted votes, Miller-Meeks should probably be seated.

To be perfectly honest with you I think NY-22 deserves a Special Election more than IA-2.

Remember: Hart even netted 26 Votes out of Scott County despite that this County broke Iowa Election Law and used a "Hybrid Version", a combined Machine & Manual Recount when Iowa Law only allows to use one. Rita Hart should keep quiet and accept defeat and if she doesn't want to accept it for now at least go to regular Court System and not ask the House to overturn the Results.

[StateBoiler]

A 6 vote margin is essentially a statistical tie, with no way of knowing who actually got more valid votes.

You captured my literal anger toward election administration in a sentence there, well done.

I actually wonder if Hart's challenge to the House is Pelosi-encouraged. Democrats will hold a very narrow majority, and while in the end they may just say Miller-Meeks won, while it is being investigated and until the Louisiana special election is held, it gives Pelosi 1 more seat of wiggle room.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

A 6 vote margin is essentially a statistical tie, with no way of knowing who actually got more valid votes, and a special election would be fairest, although I understand this is not the done thing, and, barring compelling evidence there are uncounted votes, Miller-Meeks should probably be seated.

To be perfectly honest with you I think NY-22 deserves a Special Election more than IA-2.

Remember: Hart even netted 26 Votes out of Scott County despite that this County broke Iowa Election Law and used a "Hybrid Version", a combined Machine & Manual Recount when Iowa Law only allows to use one. Rita Hart should keep quiet and accept defeat and if she doesn't want to accept it for now at least go to regular Court System and not ask the House to overturn the Results.

No, neither deserves a special election.  You don't get to rewrite the rules just b/c NY-22 would likely flip to the Republicans in a special election.  Also, Hart's not asking the House to overturn the results.  She's asking for a deadline extension.

Both deserve a full recount in every county.  One was already conducted in IA-2 and while in theory there's no issue with extending things a bit if there are really any outstanding ballots that need to be reviewed, IA-2 seems about done.  Of course, you're a Trump supporter so you're really in no position to complain about sore losers or people trying to overturn election results.  

Beyond which, while I realize that you really want to pretend Hart's 26 vote gain in Scott County was some sort of controversial/sketchy scandal, it isn't.  The fact that a Democrat gained votes in a recount does not mean you can just ignore the results of that county's recount.

NY-22 should just have the deadline extended so another full hand-recount can be conducted in every precinct in the district.  At this point, that's the only reasonable way to resolve this race.  Otherwise, it's gonna be a mess and may come down to votes that have already been counted.  A special election here would be even more absurd than the House granting Rita Hart's request to extend the ballot counting deadline.  But again, there's no reason either should go to a special election.