Was Goldwater expected to carry the Deep South going into the election?
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« on: October 30, 2020, 12:30:39 AM »

What was the expectation there in 1964?
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2020, 02:06:24 AM »

He was expected to get Mississippi and Alabama (although some polls said he was "only" getting 60 in Mississippi), and most probably expected south Carolina, but Georgia and Louisiana were not that expected, IIRC
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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2020, 11:43:33 AM »


Looking at the CBS 1964 election results program, there does seem to be an expectation that Goldwater was going to do well in the deep South.

CBS seemed extremely proud of having several IBM computers working on their coverage.

At 27.20 Goldwater wins Mississippi "as predicted" (according to Walter Cronkite).
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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2020, 12:11:54 PM »


Looking at the CBS 1964 election results program, there does seem to be an expectation that Goldwater was going to do well in the deep South.

CBS seemed extremely proud of having several IBM computers working on their coverage.

At 27.20 Goldwater wins Mississippi "as predicted" (according to Walter Cronkite).
At least the IBM computers used in CBS 1964 election TV coverage were more advanced than the UNIVAC computer Walter Cronkite and Douglas Edwards highlighted in the CBS 1952 election TV coverage lol.
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2020, 10:55:59 PM »


Looking at the CBS 1964 election results program, there does seem to be an expectation that Goldwater was going to do well in the deep South.

CBS seemed extremely proud of having several IBM computers working on their coverage.

At 27.20 Goldwater wins Mississippi "as predicted" (according to Walter Cronkite).

It was also thought by CBS, early in the night, that Johnson might be able to hold Georgia and South Carolina. Roger Mudd speculated on the effect that Strom Thurmond's switch to the Republicans (which took place two months before the election) might have on the result in South Carolina, and they held off on projecting Georgia until the majority of the returns were in and it was clear that Goldwater had an insurmountable lead. Their delay in calling it was probably because Johnson registered gains in Northern Georgia, which may have been seen as offsetting Goldwater's gains in Southern Georgia (although ultimately, they didn't).
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2020, 06:47:58 AM »

I recall reading that President Johnson himself predicted that he would lose Florida. (He won it).
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2022, 02:19:45 AM »

I recall reading that President Johnson himself predicted that he would lose Florida. (He won it).

There was strong segregationist backlash against Johnson in the Florida Panhandle, where Goldwater drastically improved over Nixon, but Northern retirees and transplants swung strongly to Johnson, because of backlash to Goldwater's Social Security proposals, and Johnson also was helped by black voters, who gave him virtually unanimous support and turned out at higher rates than in 1960.
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