Nightmare scenario

[MillennialModerate]

A kind of nightmare scenario was just explained on MSNBC:

Pence is still President of the Senate until January 20th - so if Dems don’t win 51 seats then the Senate Republicans don’t accept the electoral college results on January 5th. Thus the Senate and the House dont agree on the numbers. Thus the election goes to the House. If Dems don’t flip enough delegations Trump wins

Chances of this are remote I’m sure but ... thoughts

[compucomp]

A kind of nightmare scenario was just explained on MSNBC:

Pence is still President of the Senate until January 20th - so if Dems don’t win 51 seats then the Senate Republicans don’t accept the electoral college results on January 5th. Thus the Senate and the House dont agree on the numbers. Thus the election goes to the House. If Dems don’t flip enough delegations Trump wins

Chances of this are remote I’m sure but ... thoughts

This quickly leads to mass unrest, secession of the Acela corridor and the West coast, and a civil war, possibly a world war. Honestly I'd root for a military coup at that point to stop the descent into chaos.

Also, don't both houses have to agree to reject a state's electors?

[MargieCat]

We would just need one GOP defector. Collins would be gone and replaced with Gideon.

That leaves Romney and Murkowski. I trust Romney more than Murkowski.

At a certain point, the republicans are going to jump off the sinking ship. They are not going to ruin their own career to save Trump's presidency.

It's in their best interest to concede defeat and try to get re-elected in a red wave in 2022 and 2024.

[BudgieForce]

Romney is 100% not going for that.

[forza nocta]

Its like you guys go out of your way to create random scenarios to keep yourselves scared and anxious. Get a grip people lol

[pollvaulter]

A kind of nightmare scenario was just explained on MSNBC:

Pence is still President of the Senate until January 20th - so if Dems don’t win 51 seats then the Senate Republicans don’t accept the electoral college results on January 5th. Thus the Senate and the House dont agree on the numbers. Thus the election goes to the House. If Dems don’t flip enough delegations Trump wins

Chances of this are remote I’m sure but ... thoughts

This quickly leads to mass unrest, secession of the Acela corridor and the West coast, and a civil war, possibly a world war. Honestly I'd root for a military coup at that point to stop the descent into chaos.

Also, don't both houses have to agree to reject a state's electors?

This is pretty funny

[MillennialModerate]

Okay so.... about this

[Mr. Third-Wayist]

Okay so.... about this

It didn’t happen

[Skill and Chance]

Okay so.... about this

The House and Senate would have to agree to change anything about the final EC vote after congress opens the envelopes, otherwise it stands as the electors voted in December.

The only scenario that is even remotely plausible would be the state legislatures in WI/MI/PA/AZ/GA voting along party lines to disregard the election results/prevent certification and just outright appoint Trump electors.  Still, the Dem governors in WI/MI/PA would all treat this as a normal state law and veto it (which is enough EV to elect Biden regardless of what happens in AZ/GA), the legislatures would argue in federal court that the governor's veto has no effect because of the Elections Clause and then it would go to SCOTUS under a definition of "legislature thereof" challenge.  Even then, the existing SCOTUS precedents strongly favor a governor having normal veto power over election laws (and that's assuming they even allow an after-the-fact change in the method for selecting electors in AZ/GA), so it is highly unlikely to succeed. 

[Ljube]

Pure fantasy.

[politics_king]

The hysteria is really getting to a point of annoyance.

[Protect Trans Hoosiers]

Okay so.... about this

The House and Senate would have to agree to change anything about the final EC vote after congress opens the envelopes, otherwise it stands as the electors voted in December.

The only scenario that is even remotely plausible would be the state legislatures in WI/MI/PA/AZ/GA voting along party lines to disregard the election results/prevent certification and just outright appoint Trump electors.  Still, the Dem governors in WI/MI/PA would all treat this as a normal state law and veto it (which is enough EV to elect Biden regardless of what happens in AZ/GA), the legislatures would argue in federal court that the governor's veto has no effect because of the Elections Clause and then it would go to SCOTUS under a definition of "legislature thereof" challenge.  Even then, the existing SCOTUS precedents strongly favor a governor having normal veto power over election laws (and that's assuming they even allow an after-the-fact change in the method for selecting electors in AZ/GA), so it is highly unlikely to succeed. 

Any kind of legislative action to change the manner electors are appointed after the election has taken place, would be immediately struck down by state courts, and higher courts wouldn't even hear the case, let alone overturn a lower court ruling on the basic mechanisms for democracy.

None of this would happen to begin with.

As far as Senate shenanigans go, there might be five Senators who are sycophantic enough towards Trump to entertain this, but the rest of the GOP Senate caucus is currently relieved beyond belief that they no longer have to deal with Trump. The only reason they even are giving lip service to the "Trump has a right to challenge results to the fullest extent allowable by law" talking point is that they are STILL terrified of Trump's supporters, and don't want to be on record as "siding with the media."

[Mr. Third-Wayist]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Protect Trans Hoosiers]

This thread feels like it's two years old.

[elcorazon]

Okay so.... about this

The House and Senate would have to agree to change anything about the final EC vote after congress opens the envelopes, otherwise it stands as the electors voted in December.

The only scenario that is even remotely plausible would be the state legislatures in WI/MI/PA/AZ/GA voting along party lines to disregard the election results/prevent certification and just outright appoint Trump electors.  Still, the Dem governors in WI/MI/PA would all treat this as a normal state law and veto it (which is enough EV to elect Biden regardless of what happens in AZ/GA), the legislatures would argue in federal court that the governor's veto has no effect because of the Elections Clause and then it would go to SCOTUS under a definition of "legislature thereof" challenge.  Even then, the existing SCOTUS precedents strongly favor a governor having normal veto power over election laws (and that's assuming they even allow an after-the-fact change in the method for selecting electors in AZ/GA), so it is highly unlikely to succeed. 

Any kind of legislative action to change the manner electors are appointed after the election has taken place, would be immediately struck down by state courts, and higher courts wouldn't even hear the case, let alone overturn a lower court ruling on the basic mechanisms for democracy.

None of this would happen to begin with.

As far as Senate shenanigans go, there might be five Senators who are sycophantic enough towards Trump to entertain this, but the rest of the GOP Senate caucus is currently relieved beyond belief that they no longer have to deal with Trump. The only reason they even are giving lip service to the "Trump has a right to challenge results to the fullest extent allowable by law" talking point is that they are STILL terrified of Trump's supporters, and don't want to be on record as "siding with the media."

this didn't age well