New Yorker: "The Republican Identity Crisis After Trump"

[Tiger08]

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/11/02/the-republican-identity-crisis-after-trump

Very interesting. Accurate potential paths IMO

[QAnonKelly]

That’s a very interesting and well written article. I personally think they should do what he calls restoration. IMO the 2013 autopsy was a really good roadmap. The problem is that it’s a long term strategy that would mean losing for a while and they’re all too short-sighted to do it. They also probably need to come up with some sort of universal healthcare proposal.

[Person Man]

They won't be able to fill Trump's clown shoes in 2024. If he wins, Pence is a totally different right-winger who lacks the charisma that Trump has. There's definitely an opening for someone like Gaetz, Cotton, Hawley, Scott, or DeSantis in 2024 to TEAbag Pence. Pence just isn't on the same page that HW or Gore was. People are going to be looking for something new 2024.

[DrScholl]

There won't be an identity crisis because Trumpism is now the standard of the party as it's been either embraced or tolerated. It's probably not even accurate to call it Trumpism since the ideology existed before Trump and his name was only labeled to it after he allowed extremism to break through. The primary electorate is a lot more right-wing than it has ever been before, so it's going be easier for candidates like Trump to win primaries.

[Battista Minola 1616]

I read the article in its entirety and found it extremely interesting and well-written.
I don't know which of the three scenarios outlined is more likely. Probably the long term future of the Republican Party is something like a mix of all three. I don't know what I prefer, I am more invested in the future of the Democratic Party, so to speak - although the futures of the two parties are clearly interconnected.

[Ferguson97]

I'm guessing it will be remnant in the short term and some combination of remnant/reversal in the long-term. Restoration path is a delusional fantasy.

[Progressive Pessimist]

There won't be an identity crisis because Trumpism is now the standard of the party as it's been either embraced or tolerated. It's probably not even accurate to call it Trumpism since the ideology existed before Trump and his name was only labeled to it after he allowed extremism to break through. The primary electorate is a lot more right-wing than it has ever been before, so it's going be easier for candidates like Trump to win primaries.

A QAnon based party is the next logical devolution.

[Senator Incitatus]

This piece is good. I will do everything possible to push that party beyond Trump's moderate positions.

[Alben Barkley]

MARCO RUBIO is supposed to be the standard-bearer for a new left-wing, Sanders/Warren-inspired GOP???

Uh... what?

[Ferguson97]

MARCO RUBIO is supposed to be the standard-bearer for a new left-wing, Sanders/Warren-inspired GOP???

Uh... what?

Yeah, that doesn't really make sense. I think Hawley is a much better fit for this, and Rubio would go with the restoration camp.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://twitter.com/RepClayHiggins/status/1319715219216674817

The GOP is insane.

[Fight for Trump]

Can someone give this borderline disabled person with the attention span of a 3-year-old a tldr version?

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Can someone give this borderline disabled person with the attention span of a 3-year-old a tldr version?

The post-WWII Republicans have been an alliance between business interests and several flavors of populists that has always had a degree of cognitive dissonance. Trump seized the nomination by exploiting that division against the party elites, but in office has catered to both factions, pushing populist rhetoric hard while his administration actually delivered more to the libertarian/business wing.

The author thinks that the GOP has three paths forward: more Trumpism (resentment-fueled anti-establishment-ism) that will be difficult to sustain or win with; a more libertarian, less-abusive positive economic message; or becoming (at least rhetorically) a pro-labor party opposed to economic elites that steals (some) Democratic voters.

 

Personally, I think the author misses, or at least refuses to internalize, the core of white supremacy, bigotry, stupidity and ignorance that dominates the modern GOP. There is no way now for Republicans  to rewind back to the 80s or turn their ship of fools around, which leaves them (and the United States) with few good options over the next decade or two. The GOP can lose a lot, or it can triple down on trying to make the United States an un-democratic nation, dominated by a single authoritarian party.

[John Dule]

https://twitter.com/RepClayHiggins/status/1319715219216674817

The GOP is insane.

This is the kind of woman who has a nightmare that you cheated on her and then stays mad at you when she wakes up.

[Badger]

There won't be an identity crisis because Trumpism is now the standard of the party as it's been either embraced or tolerated. It's probably not even accurate to call it Trumpism since the ideology existed before Trump and his name was only labeled to it after he allowed extremism to break through. The primary electorate is a lot more right-wing than it has ever been before, so it's going be easier for candidates like Trump to win primaries.

This * 10. The only so called changes the Republican party is about to engage in will be nominal rebranding of the same neo-fascism under the guise of a new label, being some presidential candidate whom unlike Trump merely has a tiny amount of control over PR messaging and his id.

Trump has caused a lot of these issues but at the end of the day the real problem with Trumpism isn't so much Trump as the 45% of voters, including 90-plus percent of Republicans, who backed him to the hilt despite enormous fundamental disregarding of basic American Democratic norms

[courts]

I'm guessing it will be remnant in the short term and some combination of remnant/reversal in the long-term. Restoration path is a delusional fantasy.

mostly because the faction that want that refuse to compromise on a lot of domestic policy. a few tax credits isn't going to be enough. they need to do something bold on healthcare and issues like that. even something pretty basic like universal catastrophic coverage would be a huge step in the right direction. but barely anyone is willing to even mention it. at least john kasich and jeb bush have advocated for that in the past. but other than them i'm really struggling to think of that many republicans that have explicitly said anything along those lines as of late

[Storr]

https://twitter.com/RepClayHiggins/status/1319715219216674817

The GOP is insane.

This isn't even good fan fiction.

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/RepClayHiggins/status/1319715219216674817

The GOP is insane.

Becca isn't so much a conservative as someone in desperate need of professional help

[Progressive Pessimist]

https://twitter.com/RepClayHiggins/status/1319715219216674817

The GOP is insane.

Nothing like what happened in Oregon this year under a Republican President, right?

[Samof94]

Wouldn’t be surprised if a moderate GOP member got elected in a state like Oregon in the next decade or so.

[Badger]

Wouldn’t be surprised if a moderate GOP member got elected in a state like Oregon in the next decade or so.

Statewide? The current Secretary of State there is a moderate Republican, but very much the exception to the rule. I suppose getting elected as governor isn't inconceivable in a really bad Democratic midterm. A moderate Republican getting elected as Senator? Barring a major league Scandal that would be a real shock.

[Samof94]

Wouldn’t be surprised if a moderate GOP member got elected in a state like Oregon in the next decade or so.

Statewide? The current Secretary of State there is a moderate Republican, but very much the exception to the rule. I suppose getting elected as governor isn't inconceivable in a really bad Democratic midterm. A moderate Republican getting elected as Senator? Barring a major league Scandal that would be a real shock.

I was referring to Governors, especially given the incumbent has scandals behind her and her predecessor. A Democrat winning Lt. Gov or Senator in Texas is still more likely.

[Samof94]

I'm guessing it will be remnant in the short term and some combination of remnant/reversal in the long-term. Restoration path is a delusional fantasy.

mostly because the faction that want that refuse to compromise on a lot of domestic policy. a few tax credits isn't going to be enough. they need to do something bold on healthcare and issues like that. even something pretty basic like universal catastrophic coverage would be a huge step in the right direction. but barely anyone is willing to even mention it. at least john kasich and jeb bush have advocated for that in the past. but other than them i'm really struggling to think of that many republicans that have explicitly said anything along those lines as of late

Can the Reversal role have some superficial social liberalism(not by our standards but like 2007 standards) of sorts down the line to win the suburbs?

[Ferguson97]

Wouldn’t be surprised if a moderate GOP member got elected in a state like Oregon in the next decade or so.

They have to win the primary first.

[S019]

This was a good article, except for the part where they called Rubio a Reversalist lol. Hawley is honestly more of a reversalist with him not being as Wall Street cozy as generic Reps. But I have beachfront party in Nebraska to sell you, if you think that you can win the Republican nomination by openly opposing the donor class. Before people bring up Trump, he was one of the financial elites, they obviously trusted him and he returned the favor of tax cuts. The only plausible paths are restoration or doubling down on Trumpism.