Were there any on the left who supported the Vietnam War(post 1967)
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« on: October 21, 2020, 11:49:59 PM »

I know there were some who supported the iraq war
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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2020, 08:58:51 AM »

Define "the left".
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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2020, 03:29:21 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2020, 09:52:22 PM »


Ho was a dove sidelined for opposing the Politburo faction that wanted to prosecute total war until unification!
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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2020, 11:54:14 PM »

I suppose it depends on if you would call them "the left" but I'm pretty sure most of organized labour fits this if you do.
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2020, 03:37:11 PM »

Lyndon Johnson. And John Steinbeck.
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2020, 08:52:41 AM »

Hot take:  Vietnam is what caused the modern schism of left vs. right in the US today, and the current alignment. 
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2020, 09:46:29 AM »

Hot take:  Vietnam is what caused the modern schism of left vs. right in the US today, and the current alignment. 
That's not really a hot take. I don't think many people deny the Vietnam War's influence on the rise of the 1960s counterculture and the New Left, and the New Left's impact on politics ever since. Though saying it singlehandedly "caused" the current alignment might be a bit simplistic.
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2020, 12:50:36 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2020, 07:07:18 PM »

Hot take:  Vietnam is what caused the modern schism of left vs. right in the US today, and the current alignment. 

I don't agree.

Social issues weren't all that big a deal in the 1960s as, fortunately, support for Civil Rights was largely bipartisan.  The differences over Civil Rights were ideological but, at least among the politicians, weren't ideological absolutes that couldn't be overcome.  For instance, the dispute that delayed passage of the 1968 Civil Rights Fair Housing Act, had to do with the 'libertarian' issue of 'property rights.'  Republican Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen was able to fashion a compromise on this over some Republican belief that an owner of a private home should be able to sell that home to whomever they wanted for whatever reason they wanted. 

Senator Everett Dirksen also played a critical role in helping to overcome the filibuster of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and I believe he also helped fashion the compromise that led to the 1965 Voting Rights Act.  Senator Dirksen is an unfortunately largely forgotten hero of the passages of the Civil Rights acts.

As an aside, the fight over the Fair Housing Act is immortalized in the 1967 Simon and Garfunkel song "Silent Night/Seven O'Clock News."

I certainly don't disagree that anti communism was a proxy for social issues in the 1950s and 1960s, however this predated American involvement in Vietnam with such things as the McCarthy Senate hearings and the House Un-American Activities Committee of the 1950s.  For the public at large, the issue was known as the 'red scare' and involved whether a person was  sufficiently anti communist or not. 

Social issues didn't really become a major schism until 1973 with Roe V Wade and even that didn't really play out politically until the formation of the 'Moral Majority' in 1979.  Unlike Trump who brought millions of people out to vote who had rarely if ever voted previously, the 'Moral Majority' did not really get many new voters out for Reagan in 1980, but what they did do was convince many people to vote on the basis of their religiosity.  Previously, Baptists and other Evangelicals had been told that their religious/moral beliefs should not enter into politics.

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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2020, 08:25:11 PM »

This is really a question of semantics (i.e. how you want to define "the left") as much as anything else. Purely in terms of domestic policy, LBJ is arguably the second-most important liberal (in the modern sense) president in U.S. history, and there are certainly many people who would define him as part of the left. However, when people speak of the left in the context of the 1960s, they're often referring to what historians refer to as the "New Left", and being opposed to the Vietnam War was probably the one litmus test for being considered as part of the New Left.

The Vietnam War is one of three post-WW2 foreign policy events that really split the Democratic Party roughly along ideological lines, and compared to the onset of the Cold War and the Iraq War, I think it's fair to say that the Vietnam War was the single most divisive event between what you could call the Democratic establishment and the activist left.
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2020, 10:09:54 PM »

Possibly Bob Dylan and Jimi Hendrix.
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« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2020, 06:00:21 PM »

Social Democrats USA is a good example of the pro-Vietnam War left, declining to back McGovern due to his FP views (though McGovern wasn't a friend to labour either to be fair)
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