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Alben Barkley
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« on: October 21, 2020, 05:11:11 PM »

Michigan: Biden 52, Trump 40
Ohio: Biden 45, Trump 48
Pennsylvania: Biden 50, Trump 45
Wisconsin: Biden 49, Trump 44

Great news for Biden in Michigan, not that great elsewhere.

He's at 50 in PA and basically there in WI. If these were Trump leads, nobody would be saying that this would be bad news for him.

I mean, he is doing better in PA/WI than Trump is in OH in this same poll. It's pretty clear who these numbers are better for, even if they aren't the absolute best Biden has seen in these states.
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Alben Barkley
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2020, 05:20:55 PM »

Michigan: Biden 52, Trump 40
Ohio: Biden 45, Trump 48
Pennsylvania: Biden 50, Trump 45
Wisconsin: Biden 49, Trump 44

Great news for Biden in Michigan, not that great elsewhere.

Democrats won't ever win Michigan by over 5 for the next 20-30 years in a pres race (unless there breaking 10% in the PV).

Ya'll don't seem to understand how far right Michigan has trended.

Boy, do I have news for you...

(And it's not just that it's "they're.")
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Alben Barkley
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2020, 05:27:23 PM »

Michigan: Biden 52, Trump 40
Ohio: Biden 45, Trump 48
Pennsylvania: Biden 50, Trump 45
Wisconsin: Biden 49, Trump 44

Great news for Biden in Michigan, not that great elsewhere.

Democrats won't ever win Michigan by over 5 for the next 20-30 years in a pres race (unless there breaking 10% in the PV).

Ya'll don't seem to understand how far right Michigan has trended.

Boy, do I have news for you...

(And it's not just that it's "they're.")

Auto-correct.

Okay, let's discuss James coming close as an unknown and Michigans conservative trends in the 2010s?

I didn't realize losing by 7 points was "coming close." Stabenow basically coasted through that campaign by the way, and James isn't a terrible candidate. Whitmer won by 10 points at the same time.

And how about we also discuss why you for some reason apparently think 2014 was a disaster for Dems in Michigan when Gary Peters won by over 13 points in the middle of a red wave?

Or the fact that Biden IS breaking 10 in the NPV averages, more in several high quality polls?

Or the fact that Scott Walker was never governor of Michigan as you apparently thought?

For the love of god, please, learn what the f--k you're talking about before you try debating me again. You are embarrassing yourself.
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Alben Barkley
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2020, 05:40:59 PM »

So today we got (I'm including leaners for all C rated or better polls):

Florida:
Civiqs - Biden +4
CNN - Biden +4
Ipsos - Biden +5
Average - Biden +4.33%

Michigan:
DFP - Biden +5
Fox - Biden +12
Average - Biden +8.5

Pennsylvania:
CNN - Biden +10
Fox - Biden +5
Quinnipiac - Biden +8
Suffolk - Biden +6
Average - Biden +7.25

Wisconsin:
Fox - Biden +5
Latino Decisions - Biden +5
Susquehanna - Biden +1
Average - Biden +3.67

Would like to see some more polls out of Wisconsin, but otherwise things look pretty good.

Don't forget Iowa:

Emerson - Trump +2
NYT/Siena - Biden +3
Monmouth - Biden +3 and +5 (different LV models)
Average - Biden +2.25
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