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« on: October 21, 2020, 05:05:14 PM »

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-trump-gains-in-ohio-biden-ahead-in-michigan-pennsylvania-wisconsin
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2020, 05:06:21 PM »

Meme polls, honestly. Michigan won’t vote 7 points to the left of PA/WI.
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2020, 05:07:43 PM »

Michigan: Biden 52, Trump 40
Ohio: Biden 45, Trump 48
Pennsylvania: Biden 50, Trump 45
Wisconsin: Biden 49, Trump 44

Great news for Biden in Michigan, not that great elsewhere.
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2020, 05:08:34 PM »

Seems very reasonable other than Michigan which is a crack poll.
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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2020, 05:08:50 PM »

Michigan: Biden 52, Trump 40
Ohio: Biden 45, Trump 48
Pennsylvania: Biden 50, Trump 45
Wisconsin: Biden 49, Trump 44

Great news for Biden in Michigan, not that great elsewhere.

He's at 50 in PA and basically there in WI. If these were Trump leads, nobody would be saying that this would be bad news for him.
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2020, 05:10:03 PM »

This may finally be the year where neither OH nor FL sides with the winner.  
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2020, 05:10:13 PM »

Yeah Ohio and Wisconsin are especially meh.
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2020, 05:10:58 PM »

Polls lately have me contemplating this map

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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2020, 05:11:11 PM »

Michigan: Biden 52, Trump 40
Ohio: Biden 45, Trump 48
Pennsylvania: Biden 50, Trump 45
Wisconsin: Biden 49, Trump 44

Great news for Biden in Michigan, not that great elsewhere.

He's at 50 in PA and basically there in WI. If these were Trump leads, nobody would be saying that this would be bad news for him.

I mean, he is doing better in PA/WI than Trump is in OH in this same poll. It's pretty clear who these numbers are better for, even if they aren't the absolute best Biden has seen in these states.
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2020, 05:12:30 PM »

Seems odd their OH poll swung so hard since the last one. Seems a bit off since the average is about Biden tied right now.

Michigan is too D while PA and WI are too R.
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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2020, 05:12:41 PM »

Michigan: Biden 52, Trump 40
Ohio: Biden 45, Trump 48
Pennsylvania: Biden 50, Trump 45
Wisconsin: Biden 49, Trump 44

Great news for Biden in Michigan, not that great elsewhere.

He's at 50 in PA and basically there in WI. If these were Trump leads, nobody would be saying that this would be bad news for him.

Yeah, I'm not saying they mean Biden is going to lose those states; I'm just saying that they're not as good as what we've been seeing.
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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2020, 05:13:23 PM »

Michigan: Biden 52, Trump 40
Ohio: Biden 45, Trump 48
Pennsylvania: Biden 50, Trump 45
Wisconsin: Biden 49, Trump 44

Great news for Biden in Michigan, not that great elsewhere.

Democrats won't ever win Michigan by over 5 for the next 20-30 years in a pres race (unless there breaking 10% in the PV).

Ya'll don't seem to understand how far right Michigan has trended.
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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2020, 05:14:05 PM »

Blue wall secure, 278 is all assured, wave insurance depends on our Congressial districts
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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2020, 05:15:07 PM »

Michigan: Biden 52, Trump 40
Ohio: Biden 45, Trump 48
Pennsylvania: Biden 50, Trump 45
Wisconsin: Biden 49, Trump 44

Great news for Biden in Michigan, not that great elsewhere.

Democrats won't ever win Michigan by over 5 for the next 20-30 years in a pres race (unless there breaking 10% in the PV).

Ya'll don't seem to understand how far right Michigan has trended.

Both Stabenow and Whitmer won by over 5. You have no standing here.
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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2020, 05:17:02 PM »

Governor approvals:

MI-Whitmer: 61/36 (+25)
OH-DeWine: 73/23 (+50)
PA-Wolf: 58/38 (+20)
WI-Evers: 49/46 (+3)
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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2020, 05:20:55 PM »

Michigan: Biden 52, Trump 40
Ohio: Biden 45, Trump 48
Pennsylvania: Biden 50, Trump 45
Wisconsin: Biden 49, Trump 44

Great news for Biden in Michigan, not that great elsewhere.

Democrats won't ever win Michigan by over 5 for the next 20-30 years in a pres race (unless there breaking 10% in the PV).

Ya'll don't seem to understand how far right Michigan has trended.

Boy, do I have news for you...

(And it's not just that it's "they're.")
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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2020, 05:21:31 PM »

Michigan: Biden 52, Trump 40
Ohio: Biden 45, Trump 48
Pennsylvania: Biden 50, Trump 45
Wisconsin: Biden 49, Trump 44

Great news for Biden in Michigan, not that great elsewhere.

Democrats won't ever win Michigan by over 5 for the next 20-30 years in a pres race (unless there breaking 10% in the PV).

Ya'll don't seem to understand how far right Michigan has trended.

Both Stabenow and Whitmer won by over 5. You have no standing here.

Seem to remember D sweep in 2014 PA and MN. Supposed to be in the bag for Ds then.

James an unknown and came pretty close.

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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2020, 05:22:12 PM »

Michigan: Biden 52, Trump 40
Ohio: Biden 45, Trump 48
Pennsylvania: Biden 50, Trump 45
Wisconsin: Biden 49, Trump 44

Great news for Biden in Michigan, not that great elsewhere.

Democrats won't ever win Michigan by over 5 for the next 20-30 years in a pres race (unless there breaking 10% in the PV).

Ya'll don't seem to understand how far right Michigan has trended.

Boy, do I have news for you...

(And it's not just that it's "they're.")

Auto-correct.

Okay, let's discuss James coming close as an unknown and Michigans conservative trends in the 2010s?
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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2020, 05:23:06 PM »

Michigan: Biden 52, Trump 40
Ohio: Biden 45, Trump 48
Pennsylvania: Biden 50, Trump 45
Wisconsin: Biden 49, Trump 44

Great news for Biden in Michigan, not that great elsewhere.

Democrats won't ever win Michigan by over 5 for the next 20-30 years in a pres race (unless there breaking 10% in the PV).

Ya'll don't seem to understand how far right Michigan has trended.

You are so 2016, not 2008, 12 or 18
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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2020, 05:25:11 PM »

So today we got (I'm including leaners for all C rated or better polls):

Florida:
Civiqs - Biden +4
CNN - Biden +4
Ipsos - Biden +5
Average - Biden +4.33%

Michigan:
DFP - Biden +5
Fox - Biden +12
Average - Biden +8.5

Pennsylvania:
CNN - Biden +10
Fox - Biden +5
Quinnipiac - Biden +8
Suffolk - Biden +6
Average - Biden +7.25

Wisconsin:
Fox - Biden +5
Latino Decisions - Biden +5
Susquehanna - Biden +1
Average - Biden +3.67

Would like to see some more polls out of Wisconsin, but otherwise things look pretty good.
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« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2020, 05:27:23 PM »

Michigan: Biden 52, Trump 40
Ohio: Biden 45, Trump 48
Pennsylvania: Biden 50, Trump 45
Wisconsin: Biden 49, Trump 44

Great news for Biden in Michigan, not that great elsewhere.

Democrats won't ever win Michigan by over 5 for the next 20-30 years in a pres race (unless there breaking 10% in the PV).

Ya'll don't seem to understand how far right Michigan has trended.

Boy, do I have news for you...

(And it's not just that it's "they're.")

Auto-correct.

Okay, let's discuss James coming close as an unknown and Michigans conservative trends in the 2010s?

I didn't realize losing by 7 points was "coming close." Stabenow basically coasted through that campaign by the way, and James isn't a terrible candidate. Whitmer won by 10 points at the same time.

And how about we also discuss why you for some reason apparently think 2014 was a disaster for Dems in Michigan when Gary Peters won by over 13 points in the middle of a red wave?

Or the fact that Biden IS breaking 10 in the NPV averages, more in several high quality polls?

Or the fact that Scott Walker was never governor of Michigan as you apparently thought?

For the love of god, please, learn what the f--k you're talking about before you try debating me again. You are embarrassing yourself.
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« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2020, 05:32:27 PM »

So today we got (I'm including leaners for all C rated or better polls):

Florida:
Civiqs - Biden +4
CNN - Biden +4
Ipsos - Biden +5
Average - Biden +4.33%

Michigan:
DFP - Biden +5
Fox - Biden +12
Average - Biden +8.5

Pennsylvania:
CNN - Biden +10
Fox - Biden +5
Quinnipiac - Biden +8
Suffolk - Biden +6
Average - Biden +7.25

Wisconsin:
Fox - Biden +5
Latino Decisions - Biden +5
Susquehanna - Biden +1
Average - Biden +3.67

Would like to see some more polls out of Wisconsin, but otherwise things look pretty good.

Nate Silver's summation:


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« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2020, 05:33:37 PM »

So today we got (I'm including leaners for all C rated or better polls):

Florida:
Civiqs - Biden +4
CNN - Biden +4
Ipsos - Biden +5
Average - Biden +4.33%

Michigan:
DFP - Biden +5
Fox - Biden +12
Average - Biden +8.5

Pennsylvania:
CNN - Biden +10
Fox - Biden +5
Quinnipiac - Biden +8
Suffolk - Biden +6
Average - Biden +7.25

Wisconsin:
Fox - Biden +5
Latino Decisions - Biden +5
Susquehanna - Biden +1
Average - Biden +3.67

Would like to see some more polls out of Wisconsin, but otherwise things look pretty good.

Thanks for this, Gass. 

That PA average makes me feel super warm and fuzzy on the inside.  
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« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2020, 05:33:46 PM »

Seems very reasonable other than Michigan which is a crack poll.

Every election cycle we get R leaning polls in MI
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« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2020, 05:34:09 PM »

So today we got (I'm including leaners for all C rated or better polls):

Florida:
Civiqs - Biden +4
CNN - Biden +4
Ipsos - Biden +5
Average - Biden +4.33%

Michigan:
DFP - Biden +5
Fox - Biden +12
Average - Biden +8.5

Pennsylvania:
CNN - Biden +10
Fox - Biden +5
Quinnipiac - Biden +8
Suffolk - Biden +6
Average - Biden +7.25

Wisconsin:
Fox - Biden +5
Latino Decisions - Biden +5
Susquehanna - Biden +1
Average - Biden +3.67

Would like to see some more polls out of Wisconsin, but otherwise things look pretty good.

Nate Silver's summation:




He keeps dragging RCP in all of his all of his tweets this week.
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