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Hammy
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« on: October 19, 2020, 03:19:02 PM »

Dems are vastly overestimating PA's chance of flipping relative to MI/WI.
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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2020, 03:26:42 PM »

Dems are vastly overestimating PA's chance of flipping relative to MI/WI.

What's your read on why this might be? Could it have to do with Pennsylvania having more "rock-ribbed Republican" rural areas as opposed to all the Obama-Obama-Trump or Obama-Romney-Trump counties in rural Michigan and Wisconsin?

Of Trump's flips in 2016, Pennsylvania was the only state where his vote gains from 2012 outweighed Hillary's losses from 2012. In IA/OH/MI, Hillary lost 1-4 votes depending on the state compared to 2012 for every vote Trump picked up (and both lost votes in Wisconsin)--while that doesn't necessarily mean Trump would've lost with higher turnout, it shows that there were more Obama-Trump voters combined with Obama voters simply not liking Hillary and going third party or staying home.

So Pennsylvania is a glaring exception where Republicans actually saw a surge in voters, people who were excited for Trump, rather than some vote flips and people being unhappy with Hillary. So even if it doesn't necessarily guarantee he'll win per se, his support there is a lot stronger than in other states where there's more soft support or swing voters to shave off.
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2020, 04:00:22 PM »

Pennsylvania isn't going to Trump. I'm more confident of Biden winning PA than MI or WI. Hillary hit rock bottom for Democrats, getting 50% in Lackawanna? Combined with her lukewarm performance in the Philadelphia suburbs, all Biden has to do is a modest over performance.

Hillary had the smallest drop yet Trump had the biggest gains out of any of the Rust Belt states he won.
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