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KaiserDave
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« on: October 17, 2020, 09:42:55 PM »

It's probably been asked before, but who wins this 2004 matchup? Maps encouraged!
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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2020, 10:44:28 PM »



This map gives a 273-265 victory for Dean by enabling him to not lose NM and IA and by carrying CO.

Dean was an antiwar candidate and would have ran on an antiwar platform.  One thing Democrats did not take into account the degree to which the country was quickly turning against the Iraq War even in 2004. 

A ticket of Howard Dean and an anti-war running mate may well have kept IA and NM and flipped CO.  NM was trending Democratic anyway.  IA and CO have long been states where there has been significant dovish impulses, and CO has been trending toward cultural liberalism for a while prior to 2004.

I don't know if Dean would have won OH.  OH was more Democratic back then, but I can't see Dean cracking OH in a year with a GOP President up for reelection. 
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2020, 01:02:05 AM »



Howard Dean/Wesley Clark 49.1% 298 EV
George W. Bush/Dick Cheney 49.02% 240 EV
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2020, 10:56:15 PM »



President George Bush (R-TX) / Vice President Dick Cheney (R-WY) ✓
Fmr. Governor Howard Dean (D-VT) / Senator Tom Daschle (D-SD)

2004 wasn't 2008.
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2020, 05:52:19 PM »
« Edited: October 19, 2020, 06:31:51 PM by TheElectoralBoobyPrize »

Kerry won independents....don’t see how Dean does that. He loses by more.
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