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Mr.Phips
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« on: October 17, 2020, 06:58:55 PM »
Democrats probably would have lost the Senate had Romney won.  In an environment where Obama loses, Dems probably lose Senate races in ND, MT, IN, WI, VA, and maybe even Ohio.
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Mr.Phips
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2020, 08:53:55 AM »
Quote from: freepcrusher on October 17, 2020, 10:56:08 PM
so maybe 2008 was the election to lose. There are probably 62-63 senators and 270-275 dem house members come 2011. Stevens probably gives up but he is either blocked or a consensus pick is nominated.

I agree.  2010 was where Obama did the almost irreversible damage to Dems.  God he and his people should have taken that election more seriously.
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Mr.Phips
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2020, 03:57:21 PM »
Quote from: McGarnagle's End Times Cavalcade on October 18, 2020, 12:24:16 PM
Quote from: Mr.Phips on October 18, 2020, 08:53:55 AM
Quote from: freepcrusher on October 17, 2020, 10:56:08 PM
so maybe 2008 was the election to lose. There are probably 62-63 senators and 270-275 dem house members come 2011. Stevens probably gives up but he is either blocked or a consensus pick is nominated.

I agree.  2010 was where Obama did the almost irreversible damage to Dems.  God he and his people should have taken that election more seriously.

I don't think all the blame should be placed on Obama. In the end, it was voters who didn't show up.

Obama could have done more to get these voters to turn out, like attacking Republicans a lot more and effectively.
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Mr.Phips
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2020, 07:41:36 AM »
Quote from: President Pericles on October 18, 2020, 05:58:31 PM
Quote from: freepcrusher on October 17, 2020, 10:56:08 PM
so maybe 2008 was the election to lose. There are probably 62-63 senators and 270-275 dem house members come 2011. Stevens probably gives up but he is either blocked or a consensus pick is nominated.

2008 was practically unloseable for Democrats though. 2004 was the one Democrats should be glad they lost, otherwise they never get Obamacare and a big Republican trifecta after 2008 implements austerity so the Great Recession is much worse.

It’s likely the Great Recession wouldn’t have been as bad if Kerry were President from 2004-2008.  He would have likely had more competent appointees who would have better understood the crisis and taken the appropriate actions to lessen its impact (i.e. setting up an orderly wind down for Lehman).
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Mr.Phips
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2020, 07:26:42 AM »
Quote from: RINO Tom on October 19, 2020, 10:19:47 AM
I mean ... I certainly would say we'd all be in a lot better position right now if they had lost in 2012?

Because no Trump?
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