Am I understanding this Biden texts thing?

[TrumpBritt24]

- Individual drops off a MacBook to a Delaware computer shop.

- MacBook contains iMessenger texts between a "Joe Biden" and "Hunter Biden", and the receipt to the computer had the name of Hunter Biden. The computer also had a Beau Biden sticker on it.

- Computer store owner/someone linked to them leaks the texts to Rudy Giuliani or someone on his team.

- Texts contain nothing more than previously-known information about Hunter's role in Ukraine and deeply emotional text messages between Joe/Hunter which, if anything, appeal to families who have struggled with addiction.

- GOP somehow believes Hunter's emotional openness and previously-known information about Hunter's role in Ukraine is proof of a larger conspiracy.

- In screenshots, which appear to come from a hacked phone, Hunter makes what appears to be an obvious joke about Naomi Biden being forced to pay Joe Biden "half of your [sic] salary" - which Rudy Giuliani believes to be proof of a Biden Family-Burisma money laundering crime ring.

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[GeneralMacArthur]

There's a bit more to it than that.

A) We had reports back around Christmas that there was a Burisma hack by Russian intelligence, presumably looking for Hunter Biden intel.  It was forgotten about because we never knew what they got.  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/13/us/politics/russian-hackers-burisma-ukraine.html

B) We haven't actually been given the real e-mails.  Instead, we've been given PDFs that compile text, allegedly from the laptop e-mails, into an oppo research document.  Those PDFs are dated to late September 2019.  https://twitter.com/kpoulsen/status/1316487245705043968

C) In fact, we haven't been given any real evidence that any of this is true at all.  Nobody on the Biden campaign has confirmed that any of the e-mails or text messages are true.  No evidence has been offered from Giuliani/Bannon to demonstrate that these are authentic Hunter Biden communications.  Giuliani and Bannon refuse to provide the press with either the laptop, the hard drive, or any original copies of the e-mails or text messages.

D) Giuliani confirmed that he worked with Andrii Derkach on this hit.  The U.S. Treasury Department has confirmed that Derkach is a Russian operative.  Giuliani laughs that off and says "it's 50/50 whether Derkach is a Russian spy."  https://www.thedailybeast.com/rudy-giuliani-says-theres-only-5050-chance-i-worked-with-a-russian-spy-to-dig-dirt-on-bidens

E) The FBI has opened an investigation into the Hunter Biden story... to determine whether or not Giuliani is directly pushing Russian misinformation.  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/10/17/fbi-probes-possible-russia-link-hunter-biden-data-trump-ally-giuliani/3661895001/


So there you have it.  You can make up your own mind what's going on here but it's pretty clear, when you connect the dots, that this is yet another Russian intelligence hit job, using Giuliani as an intermediary.  Gee, what a shock.


My guess is that Russia got these e-mails and texts when they hacked Burisma in 2019.  They probably got some of Hunter's old communications stored in an Outlook server or something.  Then they compiled a few of them into a PDF in September 2019, and plotted with Bannon and Giuliani to release them as an October Surprise.  The currently released e-mails are so harmless that I suspect they are real.  I also suspect that Russia will do the same thing that they did in WikiLeaks, where they'll release some genuine e-mails to build trust, and then start releasing fake ones right before the election.  We're already seeing the priming for this with the "Hunter had child porn on the laptop" rumors.  The reason Giuliani and Bannon don't want to confirm the authenticity of the existing e-mails is because people could later demand that same verification for the fake ones.

[Benjamin Frank]

Nope.  Parodying QAnon is all well and good, but falsely accusing someone whose politics you disagree with of sexually abusing children - even as a joke - is simply not okay.  I'm not gonna infract this time because the post was presumably meant as a joke, but that sort of thing will be infracted as trolling going forward.  

[pppolitics]

1. Why was a computer repair shop looking through customers' data?

2. Why was the data sent to Rudy Giuliani’s lawyer?

[SteveRogers]

1. Why was a computer repair shop looking through customers' data?

2. Why was the data sent to Rudy Giuliani’s lawyer?

Yeah, this is my big question in all of this. Has the computer shop owner explained why, if his story is to be believed, he shouldn’t be in jail right now?

[GeneralMacArthur]

Guys, the computer shop story is complete fiction.  Even a small child can see that the story is utter nonsense and full of gaping holes, and Rudy/Bannon haven't offered a shred of evidence that any laptop or hard drive actually exists.

These e-mails, assuming they're not complete fabrications, are coming from the Russian hack into Burisma.  The timing of the PDFs lines up with that hack, and Rudy literally hangs out with Russian spies every single day.

[Benjamin Frank]

Nope.  Parodying QAnon is all well and good, but falsely accusing someone whose politics you disagree with of sexually abusing children - even as a joke - is simply not okay.  I'm not gonna infract this time because the post was presumably meant as a joke, but that sort of thing will be infracted as trolling going forward.  

What is the standard here?  'Some people say'? Said by Donald Trump or one of his campaign team?  Reported in a hack partisan paper like the New York Post?

Edit to add: it seems as though the thread regarding Wayne Anthony Ross was deleted.  I appreciate the consistency.

[Alben Barkley]

There's a bit more to it than that.

A) We had reports back around Christmas that there was a Burisma hack by Russian intelligence, presumably looking for Hunter Biden intel.  It was forgotten about because we never knew what they got.  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/13/us/politics/russian-hackers-burisma-ukraine.html

B) We haven't actually been given the real e-mails.  Instead, we've been given PDFs that compile text, allegedly from the laptop e-mails, into an oppo research document.  Those PDFs are dated to late September 2019.  https://twitter.com/kpoulsen/status/1316487245705043968

C) In fact, we haven't been given any real evidence that any of this is true at all.  Nobody on the Biden campaign has confirmed that any of the e-mails or text messages are true.  No evidence has been offered from Giuliani/Bannon to demonstrate that these are authentic Hunter Biden communications.  Giuliani and Bannon refuse to provide the press with either the laptop, the hard drive, or any original copies of the e-mails or text messages.

D) Giuliani confirmed that he worked with Andrii Derkach on this hit.  The U.S. Treasury Department has confirmed that Derkach is a Russian operative.  Giuliani laughs that off and says "it's 50/50 whether Derkach is a Russian spy."  https://www.thedailybeast.com/rudy-giuliani-says-theres-only-5050-chance-i-worked-with-a-russian-spy-to-dig-dirt-on-bidens

E) The FBI has opened an investigation into the Hunter Biden story... to determine whether or not Giuliani is directly pushing Russian misinformation.  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/10/17/fbi-probes-possible-russia-link-hunter-biden-data-trump-ally-giuliani/3661895001/


So there you have it.  You can make up your own mind what's going on here but it's pretty clear, when you connect the dots, that this is yet another Russian intelligence hit job, using Giuliani as an intermediary.  Gee, what a shock.


My guess is that Russia got these e-mails and texts when they hacked Burisma in 2019.  They probably got some of Hunter's old communications stored in an Outlook server or something.  Then they compiled a few of them into a PDF in September 2019, and plotted with Bannon and Giuliani to release them as an October Surprise.  The currently released e-mails are so harmless that I suspect they are real.  I also suspect that Russia will do the same thing that they did in WikiLeaks, where they'll release some genuine e-mails to build trust, and then start releasing fake ones right before the election.  We're already seeing the priming for this with the "Hunter had child porn on the laptop" rumors.  The reason Giuliani and Bannon don't want to confirm the authenticity of the existing e-mails is because people could later demand that same verification for the fake ones.

Probably right.

The good news is people don’t seem to be taking the bait this time.

Also, does Russian intelligence really think Giuliani and Bannon are the best conduits for this sort of information? Who the hell is gonna trust them?

[Badger]

1. Why was a computer repair shop looking through customers' data?

2. Why was the data sent to Rudy Giuliani’s lawyer?

Yeah, this is my big question in all of this. Has the computer shop owner explained why, if his story is to be believed, he shouldn’t be in jail right now?

Such actions are a felony-level offense in Ohio, fwiw.

[TrumpBritt24]

Nope.  Parodying QAnon is all well and good, but falsely accusing someone whose politics you disagree with of sexually abusing children - even as a joke - is simply not okay.  I'm not gonna infract this time because the post was presumably meant as a joke, but that sort of thing will be infracted as trolling going forward.  

Reporting allegations is not the same thing as making an allegation lmao. I explicitly stated in the thread that it was a shady allegation I did not support. Get your facts straight.

[Benjamin Frank]

Nope.  Parodying QAnon is all well and good, but falsely accusing someone whose politics you disagree with of sexually abusing children - even as a joke - is simply not okay.  I'm not gonna infract this time because the post was presumably meant as a joke, but that sort of thing will be infracted as trolling going forward.  

Reporting allegations is not the same thing as making an allegation lmao. I explicitly stated in the thread that it was a shady allegation I did not support. Get your facts straight.

I did not direct any concern to you.  However, even reporting a false allegation causes its spread.

I would also argue that the distinction between reporting an allegation put out by a hack partisan site, and making an allegation is much murkier than you seem to think it is.

Just because Rupert Murdoch owns a platform to allege things does not mean that anybody has to spread his allegations.