S.20.3.25: Enforcing Our Laws Act (Failed)

[tmthforu94]

With all voting, this amendment has failed.

I am calling for a final vote, delegates have 24 hours to object and offer any final amendments.

[KoopaDaQuick 🇵🇸]

I will not object to the motion, but I have something that I want to say. If you plan on voting on this bill, my fellow delegates, regardless of your position, listen to my words before you cast your vote.

I am not going to tell you how to feel about immigration. What I am going to tell you is that this bill does a terrible job at what it tries to do, and regardless of your thoughts on the subject, you should shoot this down.

First of all, it's badly written. What does it mean for a city to have municipal laws that "tend to protect" these undocumented immigrants? This wording is extremely vague, and I don't like what it could spell when the region actually, well, enforces this law. What does and doesn't count as "tending to protect" is blurry and confusing. With text like this, it's up to the region's financial and enforcement agencies to make heads or tails of whatever this vague text means.

Second of all, it's not up to the South to uphold federal Atlasian law, that's obviously the responsibility of the federal government. While federal law does apply in our region, it's not the job of the South to enforce such law. If you think that the federal government hasn't done a good enough job of upholding its immigration policies, then run for Congress so that the federal government doesn't need to rely on the regions to uphold its own damn laws.

The meaning is blurrier than a mirror in a sauna, the wording is fuzzier than a teddy bear, and the logic behind the region enforcing laws it didn't even create is more backwards than Leinad's username. I don't care how you feel about undocumented immigration, but no matter what your position is on the issue, you should reject this bill.

I yield the floor.

[Dr. MB]

This bill sucks

[tmthforu94]

This will proceed to a final vote. Delegates, please vote AYE, NAY or ABSTAIN.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

AYE

[KoopaDaQuick 🇵🇸]

NAY (please read reply #26 on this topic)

[tmthforu94]

Based on the statements made by Delegate Koopa, Nay. Perhaps other ideas on the subject can be revisited next Chamber, but she makes a compelling point as we have little control over what federal immigration policy is.

[GM Team Member and Senator WB]

Nay.

[scutosaurus]

Nay

[tmthforu94]

This has enough votes to fail, 24 hours to change votes.

[reagente]

aye

[tmthforu94]

The bill has failed.

[fhtagn]

Those who voted against this are an embarrassment to the South and it's values.

[KoopaDaQuick 🇵🇸]

Those who voted against this are an embarrassment to the South and its values.

Regardless of your thoughts on undocumented immigration, this was a poorly written bill that didn't do a good job of executing what it tried to do. It is not the duty of the Southern Region to enforce federal law, that's the job of the federal government. If this was a House or Senate bill, I wouldn't have given that soliloquy.

[fhtagn]

Those who voted against this are an embarrassment to the South and its values.

Regardless of your thoughts on undocumented immigration, this was a poorly written bill that didn't do a good job of executing what it tried to do. It is not the duty of the Southern Region to enforce federal law, that's the job of the federal government. If this was a House or Senate bill, I wouldn't have given that soliloquy.

Look, we get it. Rather than care about citizens, you just want to protect people who have no right to be here.

[KoopaDaQuick 🇵🇸]

Those who voted against this are an embarrassment to the South and its values.

Regardless of your thoughts on undocumented immigration, this was a poorly written bill that didn't do a good job of executing what it tried to do. It is not the duty of the Southern Region to enforce federal law, that's the job of the federal government. If this was a House or Senate bill, I wouldn't have given that soliloquy.

Look, we get it. Rather than care about citizens, you just want to protect people who have no right to be here.

I care about citizens, and I'm a-okay with enforcing the law. However, this particular bill is dumb, but could work if improved a little bit and sent to the proper legislative body.

Answer my questions about the vague wording. Post the bill in the right submission thread. Then I'll stop complaining.

[fhtagn]

Those who voted against this are an embarrassment to the South and its values.

Regardless of your thoughts on undocumented immigration, this was a poorly written bill that didn't do a good job of executing what it tried to do. It is not the duty of the Southern Region to enforce federal law, that's the job of the federal government. If this was a House or Senate bill, I wouldn't have given that soliloquy.

Look, we get it. Rather than care about citizens, you just want to protect people who have no right to be here.

I care about citizens, and I'm a-okay with enforcing the law. However, this particular bill is dumb, but could work if improved a little bit and sent to the proper legislative body.

Answer my questions about the vague wording. Post the bill in the right submission thread. Then I'll stop complaining.

There was nothing improper about the bill being introduced into this legislative body.

[KoopaDaQuick 🇵🇸]

Those who voted against this are an embarrassment to the South and its values.

Regardless of your thoughts on undocumented immigration, this was a poorly written bill that didn't do a good job of executing what it tried to do. It is not the duty of the Southern Region to enforce federal law, that's the job of the federal government. If this was a House or Senate bill, I wouldn't have given that soliloquy.

Look, we get it. Rather than care about citizens, you just want to protect people who have no right to be here.

I care about citizens, and I'm a-okay with enforcing the law. However, this particular bill is dumb, but could work if improved a little bit and sent to the proper legislative body.

Answer my questions about the vague wording. Post the bill in the right submission thread. Then I'll stop complaining.

There was nothing improper about the bill being introduced into this legislative body.

It is improper, though. Immigration law in this country is decided by the federal government, not the regional one. Why should a legislative body with no control over immigration policy have any say on how it's enforced?

[Dr. MB]

Those who voted against this are an embarrassment to the South and its values.

Regardless of your thoughts on undocumented immigration, this was a poorly written bill that didn't do a good job of executing what it tried to do. It is not the duty of the Southern Region to enforce federal law, that's the job of the federal government. If this was a House or Senate bill, I wouldn't have given that soliloquy.

Look, we get it. Rather than care about citizens, you just want to protect people who have no right to be here.

Look, we get it. Rather than care about citizens, you just want to sit around and complain and pick fights all day.

[fhtagn]

Those who voted against this are an embarrassment to the South and its values.

Regardless of your thoughts on undocumented immigration, this was a poorly written bill that didn't do a good job of executing what it tried to do. It is not the duty of the Southern Region to enforce federal law, that's the job of the federal government. If this was a House or Senate bill, I wouldn't have given that soliloquy.

Look, we get it. Rather than care about citizens, you just want to protect people who have no right to be here.

I care about citizens, and I'm a-okay with enforcing the law. However, this particular bill is dumb, but could work if improved a little bit and sent to the proper legislative body.

Answer my questions about the vague wording. Post the bill in the right submission thread. Then I'll stop complaining.

There was nothing improper about the bill being introduced into this legislative body.

It is improper, though. Immigration law in this country is decided by the federal government, not the regional one. Why should a legislative body with no control over immigration policy have any say on how it's enforced?

The regional government has the authority to pass laws that dictate cities in our region cannot declare themselves to be "sanctuary cities", and if they do so, the regional government has the authority to strip said cities of regional funding. Not sure why this is so hard for you to understand.

[fhtagn]

Those who voted against this are an embarrassment to the South and its values.

Regardless of your thoughts on undocumented immigration, this was a poorly written bill that didn't do a good job of executing what it tried to do. It is not the duty of the Southern Region to enforce federal law, that's the job of the federal government. If this was a House or Senate bill, I wouldn't have given that soliloquy.

Look, we get it. Rather than care about citizens, you just want to protect people who have no right to be here.

Look, we get it. Rather than care about citizens, you just want to sit around and complain and pick fights all day.

Last I checked, you are not registered in the South. Your opinion here isn't welcome or relevant.  

[KoopaDaQuick 🇵🇸]

Those who voted against this are an embarrassment to the South and its values.

Regardless of your thoughts on undocumented immigration, this was a poorly written bill that didn't do a good job of executing what it tried to do. It is not the duty of the Southern Region to enforce federal law, that's the job of the federal government. If this was a House or Senate bill, I wouldn't have given that soliloquy.

Look, we get it. Rather than care about citizens, you just want to protect people who have no right to be here.

Look, we get it. Rather than care about citizens, you just want to sit around and complain and pick fights all day.

Last I checked, you are not registered in the South. Your opinion here isn't welcome or relevant.  

Last I checked, this bill failed days ago. Please stop commentating on the thread of a dead bill and take up this fight somewhere else.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

The following comments are examples of behavior that is not tolerated in the Southern Chamber:

Those who voted against this are an embarrassment to the South and it's values.

There was nothing improper about the bill being introduced into this legislative body.

Look, we get it. Rather than care about citizens, you just want to sit around and complain and pick fights all day.

Insulting people is not tolerated in the Southern Chamber. There will be no more personality insults from this point on.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

This bill will be reintroduced in the next chamber with modifications. I believe the South does have the right to make sure its laws are being enforced.

[KoopaDaQuick 🇵🇸]

Mr. Speaker, or Lumine/Yankee, can this thread be locked?