A Barrett court could carry on Trump's deregulatory agenda long after he's left the White House
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
July 23, 2025, 08:06:15 PM
News: Election Calculator 3.0 with county/house maps is now live. For more info, click here

  Talk Elections
  General Politics
  U.S. General Discussion (Moderators: The Dowager Mod, Abolish ICE, Tokugawa Sexgod Ieyasu, Utilitarian Governance)
  A Barrett court could carry on Trump's deregulatory agenda long after he's left the White House
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2
Author Topic: A Barrett court could carry on Trump's deregulatory agenda long after he's left the White House  (Read 1220 times)
Beet
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 30,204


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: October 11, 2020, 02:39:18 PM »

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/a-barrett-court-could-continue-trumps-deregulatory-agenda-long-after-hes-left-the-white-house-experts-say-2020-10-10
Logged
🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸
shua
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 27,181
Slovakia


Political Matrix
E: 1.42, S: 0.35

WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2020, 10:04:49 PM »

The Chevron doctrine of deference to administrative agencies will likely become more limited.  In practice this will often mean more limited regulation, but also can mean stricter regulation, whichever is closer to the ordinary meaning of the law delegating the agency power to regulate. The burden of changing or creating regulation will fall more on Congress.
Logged
KaiserDave
Moderators
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 14,683
United States


Political Matrix
E: -5.81, S: -5.39

P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2020, 10:09:51 PM »

Horrifying indeed
Logged
Mr.Bakari-Sellers
olawakandi
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 99,004
Jamaica


Political Matrix
E: -6.19, S: -4.17

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2020, 10:13:18 PM »


It won't be horrific, we have had Conservative Crts before
Logged
KaiserDave
Moderators
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 14,683
United States


Political Matrix
E: -5.81, S: -5.39

P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2020, 10:17:42 PM »


Thank you for your wisdom
Logged
Mr.Bakari-Sellers
olawakandi
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 99,004
Jamaica


Political Matrix
E: -6.19, S: -4.17

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2020, 05:33:26 AM »


Dems are likely gonna have to live with Citizens United for the rest of our lives, with ACB, CJ Roberts was the 5/4 tie breaker in that decision and likely to keep Citizens United. If Biden replacd Ginsburg with a liberal Justice, he would have broke from a Conservative justices. This is either in a 6/3 or 6/5 Crt and D's aren't gonna get 13 the Rs will refuse a quorum like D's did
Logged
Brittain33
brittain33
Moderators
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,849


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2020, 07:16:39 AM »

This is why Supreme Court Reform is needed more than ever. Let's hope we have a pro-democracy majority in Congress next year to make it a reality.
Logged
🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸
shua
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 27,181
Slovakia


Political Matrix
E: 1.42, S: 0.35

WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2020, 08:07:04 AM »

This is why Supreme Court Reform is needed more than ever. Let's hope we have a pro-democracy majority in Congress next year to make it a reality.

What kind of reform do you have in mind?
Logged
MABA 2020
MakeAmericaBritishAgain
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,182
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2020, 09:36:20 AM »

Not if dems pack the court Wink
Logged
Stranger in a strange land
strangeland
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 10,932
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2020, 09:42:34 AM »

The Chevron doctrine of deference to administrative agencies will likely become more limited.  In practice this will often mean more limited regulation, but also can mean stricter regulation, whichever is closer to the ordinary meaning of the law delegating the agency power to regulate. The burden of changing or creating regulation will fall more on Congress.
This sounds like something that could become a two-edged sword for Republicans, because to cite just one example, a Republican-run EPA won't be able to loosen restrictions on oil drilling and coal plants as easily.
Logged
Beet
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 30,204


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2020, 09:44:21 AM »

The Chevron doctrine of deference to administrative agencies will likely become more limited.  In practice this will often mean more limited regulation, but also can mean stricter regulation, whichever is closer to the ordinary meaning of the law delegating the agency power to regulate. The burden of changing or creating regulation will fall more on Congress.
This sounds like something that could become a two-edged sword for Republicans, because to cite just one example, a Republican-run EPA won't be able to loosen restrictions on oil drilling and coal plants as easily.

Every SCOTUS case is decided by itself. So if a Republican-run EPA tries to loosen restrictions on oil drilling and it comes before the Court, the conservative Justices will still rule in favor. That's the thing about politicization: It's less about doctrinal consistency and more about the outcome.
Logged
Brittain33
brittain33
Moderators
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,849


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2020, 10:44:02 AM »

This is why Supreme Court Reform is needed more than ever. Let's hope we have a pro-democracy majority in Congress next year to make it a reality.

What kind of reform do you have in mind?

My ideal scenario is moving to 18-year terms appointed at 2-year intervals to avoid outcomes like we have now. If Republicans don't go with that--and I imagine they wouldn't want to concede the power they've acquired--then something like aligning the number of Supreme Court seats to match the number of circuits next year would provide a one-time correction if we had a federal government representative of the majority of the country.
Logged
🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸
shua
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 27,181
Slovakia


Political Matrix
E: 1.42, S: 0.35

WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2020, 11:09:33 AM »

The Chevron doctrine of deference to administrative agencies will likely become more limited.  In practice this will often mean more limited regulation, but also can mean stricter regulation, whichever is closer to the ordinary meaning of the law delegating the agency power to regulate. The burden of changing or creating regulation will fall more on Congress.
This sounds like something that could become a two-edged sword for Republicans, because to cite just one example, a Republican-run EPA won't be able to loosen restrictions on oil drilling and coal plants as easily.

Yes, just look at where the Chevron Doctrine gets it's name:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevron_U.S.A.,_Inc._v._Natural_Resources_Defense_Council,_Inc.
Logged
Zohranism is OUR future
Forumlurker161
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 17,163


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2020, 01:01:03 PM »

This is why Supreme Court Reform is needed more than ever. Let's hope we have a pro-democracy majority in Congress next year to make it a reality.
Silly Democrats, I will prevent any reforms!

You have no chance at winning, liberals.
Logged
OSR stands with Israel
Computer89
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 52,360


Political Matrix
E: 3.42, S: 2.61

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2020, 01:06:07 PM »

This is why Supreme Court Reform is needed more than ever. Let's hope we have a pro-democracy majority in Congress next year to make it a reality.

The number 1 reason why the GOP should control the senate is to stop you guys from packing the courts.


Logged
Zohranism is OUR future
Forumlurker161
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 17,163


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2020, 01:41:23 PM »

This is why Supreme Court Reform is needed more than ever. Let's hope we have a pro-democracy majority in Congress next year to make it a reality.

The number 1 reason why the GOP should control the senate is to stop you guys from packing the courts.



Yes...the evil liberals are the ones ruining the court system.
I, Senator John James, will prevent any liberal court packing and will personally block any court changes whatsoever. I will pass a law extending the term of SCOTUS justices to 300 years after death. This way, we can ensure liberals are prevented from burning our constitution and murdering our children.
Logged
Brittain33
brittain33
Moderators
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,849


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2020, 01:55:58 PM »

This is why Supreme Court Reform is needed more than ever. Let's hope we have a pro-democracy majority in Congress next year to make it a reality.

The number 1 reason why the GOP should control the senate is to stop you guys from packing the courts.

The GOP packed the courts to the hilt. The American people hope for an opportunity to reform and rebalance in the next term. And ultimately to move us past this zero-sum game fighting for courts which has Republicans supporting Trump and worthless senators just to keep control of courts.
Logged
TJ in Oregon
TJ in Cleve
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,946
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.13, S: 6.96

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2020, 01:58:12 PM »

Should the Democrats add new seats to the Supreme Court, I fully expect Republicans to add twice as many the next time they take control. This process will likely repeat itself until it is expected and the Supreme Court essentially powerless.
Logged
Benjamin Frank
Frank
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 7,061


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2020, 02:02:18 PM »

Should the Democrats add new seats to the Supreme Court, I fully expect Republicans to add twice as many the next time they take control. This process will likely repeat itself until it is expected and the Supreme Court essentially powerless.

If the Democratic agenda is popular with the public, it could be 40 years before the Republicans take control again.

In broad strokes, there was a liberal consensus from 1933-1980 and then a conservative consensus from 1981-2020.
Logged
OSR stands with Israel
Computer89
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 52,360


Political Matrix
E: 3.42, S: 2.61

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2020, 05:09:34 PM »

This is why Supreme Court Reform is needed more than ever. Let's hope we have a pro-democracy majority in Congress next year to make it a reality.

The number 1 reason why the GOP should control the senate is to stop you guys from packing the courts.



Yes...the evil liberals are the ones ruining the court system.
I, Senator John James, will prevent any liberal court packing and will personally block any court changes whatsoever. I will pass a law extending the term of SCOTUS justices to 300 years after death. This way, we can ensure liberals are prevented from burning our constitution and murdering our children.

Unironically yes it is the left who is ruining the courts
Logged
Zohranism is OUR future
Forumlurker161
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 17,163


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2020, 05:15:25 PM »

Maybe term limits would be a better idea for SCOTUS justices.
10-20 years tops, instead of this lifetime appointment.
It makes sense considering how much life expectancy has changed and the state likely increase in the future.
Court Packing would be extremely unpopular and would set a very terrible precedent.
Logged
インターネット掲示板ユーザー Punxsutawney Phil
TimTurner
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 52,212
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2020, 05:57:50 PM »

Court-packing: stupid, stupider, stupidest.
Thank god Biden doesn't care for packing the court and Ds won't get the votes needed to do it even if Biden was on board.
Also: very sad to see that red avatars don't seem to know what court-packing actually is. What the GOP has done is a net negative for sure, but it's not court packing. This word doesn't mean what you think it means.
Logged
lfromnj
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 21,184


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2020, 06:00:17 PM »

Maybe term limits would be a better idea for SCOTUS justices.
10-20 years tops, instead of this lifetime appointment.
It makes sense considering how much life expectancy has changed and the state likely increase in the future.
Court Packing would be extremely unpopular and would set a very terrible precedent.


John Marshall was appointed in 1801 and was Chief Justice for 34 years.
Logged
R.P. McM
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,378
Palestinian Territory, Occupied


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2020, 03:04:51 PM »
« Edited: October 13, 2020, 03:21:21 PM by R.P. McM »

Court-packing: stupid, stupider, stupidest.
Thank god Biden doesn't care for packing the court and Ds won't get the votes needed to do it even if Biden was on board.
Also: very sad to see that red avatars don't seem to know what court-packing actually is. What the GOP has done is a net negative for sure, but it's not court packing. This word doesn't mean what you think it means.

It's a distinction without a difference. Both approaches run roughshod over procedural norms, and both are perfectly legal. So why shouldn't Democrats use every tool at their disposal to undo a 6-3 activist GOP Court that would seek to entrench minority rule and make legislating obsolete? I think mitigating climate change, enacting universal healthcare, and creating a more equitable economic system is well worth angering a few Republicans.
Logged
R.P. McM
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,378
Palestinian Territory, Occupied


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2020, 03:20:43 PM »
« Edited: October 13, 2020, 04:00:16 PM by R.P. McM »

Should the Democrats add new seats to the Supreme Court, I fully expect Republicans to add twice as many the next time they take control. This process will likely repeat itself until it is expected and the Supreme Court essentially powerless.

Good. I want to see a Republican Party running Congress and the Presidency attempt to explain to its evangelical base why it's incapable of outlawing abortion or gay marriage. Or, conversely, attempt to explain to the majority of the public why the fraudulent moral framework of Jerry Jr., Scott DesJarlais, and Kim Davis must prevail nationwide.
Logged
Pages: [1] 2  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.047 seconds with 7 queries.