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« Reply #4100 on: May 15, 2021, 03:52:54 PM »
« edited: May 15, 2021, 04:09:12 PM by "?" »

So far;


Retailers lifting mask requirements:  Costco, Publix, Trader Joes, Walmart

Retailers not lifting mask requirements: Home Depot, Macys, Disney parks (When indoors),

Retailers not lifting mask requirements but "re-evaluating" policy: Walgreens, CVS, Target, Kroger


I'm a little confused of Starbucks, since I just read they were still requiring masks for customers & employees.

I was at Kroger this morning.  They still have a "Masks Required" sign up, so I wore mine inside even though I'm fully vaccinated.  But the percentage of masked people in the store was much lower than it has been, maybe 50% at the most.

Yeah, I also listed Home Depot even though there's been multiple accounts in this thread of folks not masking up there. My girlfriend even went into one yesterday and saw around 5 folks unmasked (Honestly lower than I expected).

Kinda why I laugh at folks getting pissy about MLB "enforcing" mask-wearing in vaccinated sections.
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« Reply #4101 on: May 15, 2021, 04:01:05 PM »

"Experts" don't get to decide these things.

The past 14 months have proven that they're not experts at anything except pooping their pants.

The past 14 months have proven, if anything, that things go wrong when the experts aren't listened to. Otherwise we wouldn't have almost 600k dead and an untold number of people with permanent health problems as a result.
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« Reply #4102 on: May 15, 2021, 04:04:22 PM »

Went to Menards today, they still have a 'masks required' sign up, but I'd say about 30-40% were maskless.
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« Reply #4103 on: May 15, 2021, 04:45:14 PM »

According to NPR, just over a third of Americans nationally are fully vaccinated as of yesterday:

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Since COVID-19 vaccine distribution began in the United States on Dec. 14, more than 268 million doses have been administered, fully vaccinating over 120 million people or 36.2% of the total U.S. population.

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« Reply #4104 on: May 15, 2021, 04:49:59 PM »

"Experts" don't get to decide these things.

The past 14 months have proven that they're not experts at anything except pooping their pants.

I'm sure you could have done a much better job than they, Bandit.
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« Reply #4105 on: May 15, 2021, 04:50:27 PM »



Honor system during a deadly pandemic when people have already been ignoring requirements? Really? This gross irresponsibility is why government-imposed mandates are still needed.

But when the vaccine is free and widely available, and a large percentage of the population has taken advantage of it, why not?  Those who cheat the honor system by going maskless without being vaccinated are putting only themselves (and other unvaccinated people) at risk.  And in my opinion, that's between them and Darwin.  Also, it may give some additional motivation to people who were on the fence about the vaccine.  Sure, some diehards will still cheat -- but they were the group most likely to *already* be going maskless in such environments.

My intention is to go without a mask anywhere it's now "proper" to do so.  If a business still has a mask requirement posted, I have no problem with accommodating their wishes to do business with them. But if they don't, I no longer see a need to wear a mask inside.  If other vaccinated people feel differently and wish to wear masks in such places, that's their decision and I have no problem with that either.
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« Reply #4106 on: May 15, 2021, 05:14:39 PM »




Honor system during a deadly pandemic when people have already been ignoring requirements? Really? This gross irresponsibility is why government-imposed mandates are still needed.

If the honor system worked then the first two weeks of the pandemic, specifically trusting people to stay home, would have significantly handicapped how quickly the virus spread in this country. It's not a system that worked and I hope these companies have a back-up plan for when anti-masker and anti-vaxxers start intentionally licking produce and putting it back just to be obnoxious in their celebration of no longer having restrictions.
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« Reply #4107 on: May 15, 2021, 05:31:26 PM »

Got my 2nd Pfizer dose this morning, but I'm not sure whether I should take my mask off two weeks from now.

Some would argue it's all about the state of mind, but no matter what the statistics says about plummeting hospitalization and infection rate, NY metro was and still remains a hotspot, and I'll probably feel uncomfortable for months and years to come. I'm already dreading having to go back to Manhattan for work when my company calls me to come back.
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« Reply #4108 on: May 15, 2021, 06:12:33 PM »

Yesterday's numbers were late, but the 7-day positive rate fell to 2.84%.
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« Reply #4109 on: May 15, 2021, 07:06:06 PM »




Honor system during a deadly pandemic when people have already been ignoring requirements? Really? This gross irresponsibility is why government-imposed mandates are still needed.

How much longer do you think mask mandates should remain in place? For the rest of the year?
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« Reply #4110 on: May 15, 2021, 07:18:52 PM »




Honor system during a deadly pandemic when people have already been ignoring requirements? Really? This gross irresponsibility is why government-imposed mandates are still needed.

How much longer do you think mask mandates should remain in place? For the rest of the year?

For unvaccinated people they should remain indefinitely, and be enforced.
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« Reply #4111 on: May 15, 2021, 07:42:18 PM »




Honor system during a deadly pandemic when people have already been ignoring requirements? Really? This gross irresponsibility is why government-imposed mandates are still needed.

How much longer do you think mask mandates should remain in place? For the rest of the year?

For unvaccinated people they should remain indefinitely, and be enforced.

Why? Unvaccinated people have been violating the mask mandates throughout the pandemic, and there is no reasonable way of making a distinction between vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals, unless if we start potentially violating the personal privacy of individuals. And that would be a permanent change, which would not bring about a return to pre-pandemic life.
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« Reply #4112 on: May 15, 2021, 07:47:58 PM »

Mask mandates should be based on case numbers and positivity rates. Where to draw that line is difficult.
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« Reply #4113 on: May 15, 2021, 07:49:21 PM »

Mask mandates should be based on case numbers and positivity rates. Where to draw that line is difficult.

Do you support Polis' decision to effectively rescind the mask mandate in Colorado?
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« Reply #4114 on: May 15, 2021, 08:41:36 PM »
« Edited: May 16, 2021, 02:27:57 PM by Miramarian »

May 15, 2021 Vaccination Update

Percentage of population fully vaccinated according to CDC

National Average: 36.7%


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CT: 47.6%
DE: 38.8%
DC: 38.2%
FL: 35.4%
HI: 43.1%
IN: 32.1%
LA: 29.5%
MD: 41.9%
MA: 46.0%
MS: 25.2%
NH: 35.4%
NJ: 43.8%
PR: 31.0%
RI: 45.5%
VT: 46.1%
WV: 32.8%

Some states are too small or oddly shaped to have numbers fit properly on them, so they're listed above



One thing that really strikes me is the difference between New Hampshire, with a percentage of fully vaccinated people at 35.4% (below the national average), and every other New England state, which are all above 45.0% and rank together as being the top 5 in the nation. Why is this? "Live free or die" taken too literally?
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« Reply #4115 on: May 15, 2021, 09:15:34 PM »

Mask mandates should be based on case numbers and positivity rates. Where to draw that line is difficult.

Do you support Polis' decision to effectively rescind the mask mandate in Colorado?
Meh, not entirely, but I understand the reasoning.
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« Reply #4116 on: May 15, 2021, 09:42:03 PM »

May 15, 2021 Vaccination Update

Percentage of population fully vaccinated according to CDC

National Average: 36.7%


CT: 47.6%
DE: 38.8%
DC: 38.2%
FL: 35.4%
HI: 43.1%
IN: 32.1%
LA: 29.5%
MD: 41.9%
MA: 46.0%
MS: 25.2%
NH: 35.4%
NJ: 43.8%
PR: 31.0%
RI: 45.5%
VT: 46.1%
WV: 38.2%

Some states are too small or oddly shaped to have numbers fit properly on them, so they're listed above



One thing that really strikes me is the difference between New Hampshire, with a percentage of fully vaccinated people at 35.4% (below the national average), and every other New England state, which are all above 45.0% and rank together as being the top 5 in the nation. Why is this? "Live free or die" taken too literally?



Partisan composition probably does explain a bulk of the vaccination rate. NH Republicans are relatively conservative compared to other Republicans in the Northeast. NH Democrats are less liberal than Democrats in the Northeast.

The caveat is that this was based on 2004 data so there could be huge variability. And it doesn't explain why Maine has a high vaccination rate even though Democrats there are more moderate (perhaps the high number of senior citizens?). But again, migration and composition of the ideology could have changed a lot in the past 17 years.
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« Reply #4117 on: May 16, 2021, 12:29:59 AM »

The updated numbers for COVID-19 in the U.S. are in for 5/15 per: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I'm keeping track of these updates daily and updating at the end of the day, whenever all states finish reporting for that day.

ΔW Change: Comparisons of Weekly Day-to-day Growth or Decline of COVID-19 Spread/Deaths.
  • IE: Comparing the numbers to the same day of last week, are we flattening the curve enough?

Σ Increase: A day's contribution to overall percentage growth of COVID-19 cases/deaths.
  • IE:What's the overall change in the total?

Brackets []: These represent the total change for the day, including backlogged reports, if any.
  • These numbers are inflated relative to the actual reports for the day, so they are not used to calculate the comparative percentage shifts.

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5/2: <Sunday>
  • Cases: 33,180,441 (+30,701 [+34,433] | ΔW Change: ↓11.62% | Σ Increase: ↑0.10%)
  • Deaths: 591,062 (+312 [+358] | ΔW Change: ↑14.71% | Σ Increase: ↑0.06%)

5/3: <M>
  • Cases: 33,230,561 (+39,767 [+50,120] | ΔW Change: ↓16.20% | Σ Increase: ↑0.15%)
  • Deaths: 591,514 (+452 | ΔW Change: ↓1.53% | Σ Increase: ↑0.08%)

5/4: <T>
  • Cases: 33,274,659 (+44,098 | ΔW Change: ↓15.27% | Σ Increase: ↑0.13%)
  • Deaths: 592,409 (+895 | ΔW Change: ↑15.78% | Σ Increase: ↑0.15%)

5/5: <W>
  • Cases: 33,321,244 (+46,585 | ΔW Change: ↓17.70% | Σ Increase: ↑0.14%)
  • Deaths: 593,148 (+739 | ΔW Change: ↓22.54% | Σ Increase: ↑0.12%)

5/6: <Þ>
  • Cases: 33,369,192 (+47,948 | ΔW Change: ↓20.58% | Σ Increase: ↑0.14%)
  • Deaths: 594,006 (+858 | ΔW Change: ↓1.38% | Σ Increase: ↑0.14%)

5/7: <F>
  • Cases: 33,418,826 (+49,634 | ΔW Change: ↓17.15% | Σ Increase: ↑0.15%)
  • Deaths: 594,911 (+777 [+905] | ΔW Change: ↓0.89% | Σ Increase: ↑0.15%)

5/8: <S>
  • Cases: 33,454,581 (+35,755 | ΔW Change: ↓14.94% | Σ Increase: ↑0.11%)
  • Deaths: 595,588 (+677 | ΔW Change: ↑4.31% | Σ Increase: ↑0.11%)

5/9: <Sunday>
  • Cases: 33,476,781 (+22,200 | ΔW Change: ↓27.69% | Σ Increase: ↑0.07%)
  • Deaths: 595,812 (+224 | ΔW Change: ↓28.21% | Σ Increase: ↑0.04%)

5/10: <M>
  • Cases: 33,515,308 (+30,152 [+38,527] | ΔW Change: ↓24.18% | Σ Increase: ↑0.12%)
  • Deaths: 596,179 (+367 | ΔW Change: ↓18.81% | Σ Increase: ↑0.06%)

5/11: <T>
  • Cases: 33,550,115 (+34,807 | ΔW Change: ↓21.07% | Σ Increase: ↑0.10%)
  • Deaths: 596,946 (+767 | ΔW Change: ↓14.30% | Σ Increase: ↑0.13%)

5/12: <W>
  • Cases: 33,586,136 (+36,021 | ΔW Change: ↓22.68% | Σ Increase: ↑0.11%)
  • Deaths: 597,785 (+839 | ΔW Change: ↑13.53% | Σ Increase: ↑0.14%)

5/13: <Þ>
  • Cases: 33,626,097 (+39,961 | ΔW Change: ↓16.66% | Σ Increase: ↑0.12%)
  • Deaths: 598,540 (+755 | ΔW Change: ↓12.00% | Σ Increase: ↑0.13%)

5/14 (Yesterday): <F>
  • Cases: 33,664,013 (+37,916 | ΔW Change: ↓23.61% | Σ Increase: ↑0.11%)
  • Deaths: 599,314 (+774 | ΔW Change: ↓0.39% | Σ Increase: ↑0.13%)

5/15 (Today): <S>
  • Cases: 33,695,916 (+31,903 | ΔW Change: ↓10.77% | Σ Increase: ↑0.09%)
  • Deaths: 599,863 (+549 | ΔW Change: ↓18.91% | Σ Increase: ↑0.09%)
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« Reply #4118 on: May 16, 2021, 12:54:09 AM »




Honor system during a deadly pandemic when people have already been ignoring requirements? Really? This gross irresponsibility is why government-imposed mandates are still needed.

How much longer do you think mask mandates should remain in place? For the rest of the year?

For unvaccinated people they should remain indefinitely, and be enforced.

Why? Unvaccinated people have been violating the mask mandates throughout the pandemic, and there is no reasonable way of making a distinction between vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals, unless if we start potentially violating the personal privacy of individuals. And that would be a permanent change, which would not bring about a return to pre-pandemic life.

Simple. If you have to show your ID to vote or buy alcohol, then you should be required to show proof that you're vaccinated to enter a business if you choose not to wear a mask. This should continue until enough people are vaccinated that there's too little spread in all states for further mutations to occur.
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« Reply #4119 on: May 16, 2021, 02:05:09 AM »




Honor system during a deadly pandemic when people have already been ignoring requirements? Really? This gross irresponsibility is why government-imposed mandates are still needed.

How much longer do you think mask mandates should remain in place? For the rest of the year?

For unvaccinated people they should remain indefinitely, and be enforced.

Why? Unvaccinated people have been violating the mask mandates throughout the pandemic, and there is no reasonable way of making a distinction between vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals, unless if we start potentially violating the personal privacy of individuals. And that would be a permanent change, which would not bring about a return to pre-pandemic life.

Simple. If you have to show your ID to vote or buy alcohol, then you should be required to show proof that you're vaccinated to enter a business if you choose not to wear a mask. This should continue until enough people are vaccinated that there's too little spread in all states for further mutations to occur.

So in other words, you think there we should have vaccine passports? At least until 70% of the population is vaccinated?
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« Reply #4120 on: May 16, 2021, 02:34:21 AM »




Honor system during a deadly pandemic when people have already been ignoring requirements? Really? This gross irresponsibility is why government-imposed mandates are still needed.

How much longer do you think mask mandates should remain in place? For the rest of the year?

For unvaccinated people they should remain indefinitely, and be enforced.

Why? Unvaccinated people have been violating the mask mandates throughout the pandemic, and there is no reasonable way of making a distinction between vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals, unless if we start potentially violating the personal privacy of individuals. And that would be a permanent change, which would not bring about a return to pre-pandemic life.

Simple. If you have to show your ID to vote or buy alcohol, then you should be required to show proof that you're vaccinated to enter a business if you choose not to wear a mask. This should continue until enough people are vaccinated that there's too little spread in all states for further mutations to occur.

So in other words, you think there we should have vaccine passports? At least until 70% of the population is vaccinated?

Yes. It's a necessity given the number of people who are simultaneously going maskless and unvaccinated.
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« Reply #4121 on: May 16, 2021, 08:04:47 AM »



Makes sense actually. Relaxing with clear simple goals. CDC has been a disgrace, but has been shielded by MSM in order to sink Trump.
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« Reply #4122 on: May 16, 2021, 02:56:25 PM »

May 16, 2021 Vaccination Update

Percentage of population fully vaccinated according to CDC

National Average: 37.1% (+0.4% from yesterday)


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CT: 48.2%
DE: 39.2%
DC: 39.7%
FL: 35.4%
HI: 43.1%
IN: 32.4%
LA: 29.5%
MD: 42.3%
MA: 46.7%
MS: 25.8%
NH: 55.7%
NJ: 44.2%
PR: 31.5%
RI: 46.4%
VT: 47.4%
WV: 32.8%

Some states are too small or oddly shaped to have numbers fit properly on them, so they're listed above



Updates

New Hampshire becomes the first U.S. state to report more than 50% of its population being fully vaccinated! (I guess some data backlog just got cleared)

Washington state surpasses the milestone of having 40% of its population fully vaccinated
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« Reply #4123 on: May 16, 2021, 03:01:06 PM »

I can't believe the vaccination rate in Kentucky is so low. I think every adult I know in Kentucky is fully vaccinated, and has been for a month.
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« Reply #4124 on: May 16, 2021, 03:04:12 PM »
« Edited: May 16, 2021, 03:09:01 PM by Miramarian »

I can't believe the vaccination rate in Kentucky is so low. I think every adult I know in Kentucky is fully vaccinated, and has been for a month.


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