COVID-19 Megathread 6: Return of the Omicron

[NYDem]

I don’t understand how people could support a mask mandate but not a vaccine mandate. 

Getting a shot once or twice is obviously both much, much, more effective and much less inconvenient than wearing a mask everywhere for more than a year.

There is the possibility of some kind of negative reaction to a vaccine. Maybe there’s long-term effects that haven’t been noticed yet. It’s unlikely, but people don’t like the idea of not having a choice when it comes to that.

There are no possible side effects from wearing a mask. Nobody is going to have long term problems from wearing one.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

I don’t understand how people could support a mask mandate but not a vaccine mandate. 

Getting a shot once or twice is obviously both much, much, more effective and much less inconvenient than wearing a mask everywhere for more than a year.

There is the possibility of some kind of negative reaction to a vaccine. Maybe there’s long-term effects that haven’t been noticed yet. It’s unlikely, but people don’t like the idea of not having a choice when it comes to that.

There are no possible side effects from wearing a mask. Nobody is going to have long term problems from wearing one.

Not only have there been no recorded long-term side effects of any covid vaccine in use in the US, but there has never been a long-term side effect recorded of any vaccine that occurs more than two months after the vaccine has been administered.   And there is no mechanism in any ingredient in a covid vaccine by which a long term side effect could arise.

Arguments that the covid vaccine may have long-term side effects are just as plausible as the arguments that masks cause cancer.

[emailking]

I don’t understand how people could support a mask mandate but not a vaccine mandate. 

Getting a shot once or twice is obviously both much, much, more effective and much less inconvenient than wearing a mask everywhere for more than a year.

I don't support a vaccine mandate given how prevalent and bad the side effects can be. This is different from whether i think everyone should get it, they should! But I don't think the government should be allowed to force you to get sick.

I support a mask mandate because it is generally non-intrusive and there are carve outs for people who have medical issues with wearing one. The length of time we have to do it for is irrelevant to me.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

I don’t understand how people could support a mask mandate but not a vaccine mandate. 

Getting a shot once or twice is obviously both much, much, more effective and much less inconvenient than wearing a mask everywhere for more than a year.

I don't support a vaccine mandate given how prevalent and bad the side effects can be. This is different from whether i think everyone should get it, they should! But I don't think the government should be allowed to force you to get sick.

I support a mask mandate because it is generally non-intrusive and there are carve outs for people who have medical issues with wearing one. The length of time we have to do it for is irrelevant to me.

I just can’t fathom how anyone can feel like the side effects that one may feel for one day after taking a vaccine are worse than having to wear a mask for an entire year.  Especially considering that masks are nowhere near as effective!

The average individual does not have the scientific training to understand how vaccines work or competently evaluate the pros and cons of taking them.  These decisions should be made by scientists, not individuals.  That’s why we mandate vaccines among children, and courts have already approved vaccine mandates for adults in several other contexts.

[emailking]

I don’t understand how people could support a mask mandate but not a vaccine mandate. 

Getting a shot once or twice is obviously both much, much, more effective and much less inconvenient than wearing a mask everywhere for more than a year.

I don't support a vaccine mandate given how prevalent and bad the side effects can be. This is different from whether i think everyone should get it, they should! But I don't think the government should be allowed to force you to get sick.

I support a mask mandate because it is generally non-intrusive and there are carve outs for people who have medical issues with wearing one. The length of time we have to do it for is irrelevant to me.

I just can’t fathom how anyone can feel like the side effects that one may feel for one day after taking a vaccine are worse than having to wear a mask for an entire year.  Especially considering that masks are nowhere near as effective!

The average individual does not have the scientific training to understand how vaccines work or competently evaluate the pros and cons of taking them.  These decisions should be made by scientists, not individuals.  That’s why we mandate vaccines among children, and courts have already approved vaccine mandates for adults in several other contexts.

I can fathom it, but it doesn't matter to me. It's not about which one is worse on some kind of subjective metric.

I don't think it matters what the scientists think of the cost benefit analysis. That's great information of course, but doesn't obviate personal freedom.

I'm ambivalent about the other vaccines too. I at least don't think they should be mandated for adults who don't already have them somehow.

[Alben Barkley]

Nate Silver accuses Fauci of “gaslighting” for claiming we still don’t know if vaccines can stop transmission:

https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1380920891463364610?s=21

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

Nate Silver accuses Fauci of “gaslighting” for claiming we still don’t know if vaccines can stop transmission:

https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1380920891463364610

It is not the first time Fauce tells a "white lie". I know, he has good intentions, but I don't know, if his lies make it better or worse. And, when you don't know, usually it's better to just be transparent instead of playing socio-psychological 4D chess.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Nate Silver accuses Fauci of “gaslighting” for claiming we still don’t know if vaccines can stop transmission:

https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1380920891463364610?s=21

Totally agree with Nate here.  Why is any public health officials doing anything that will discourage people from taking the vaccine???

[Horus]

Silver is completely right. If someone has been fully vaccinated and waited the two week period, why the hell should they still have to live like nothing changed? The thought process of many hesitant folks will just be "why get vaccinated at all then?"

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1380905020514824192

[Asta]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

"A growing body of evidence suggests that fully vaccinated people are less likely to have asymptomatic infection and potentially less likely to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others. However, further investigation is ongoing."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/01/health/coronavirus-vaccine-walensky.html

Can Vaccinated People Spread the Virus? We Don’t Know, Scientists Say.


What do you expect Fauci to say at this stage with less than half of Americans fully vaccinated? You shouldn't state anything in concrete form until they unearth more of the unknowns of the virus. That's why you see scientific studies always saying "it may increase the risk of xx" even if it supports previous studies stating the same.

For someone like Silver whose specialty is hedging with remarks like "Trump could still have a chance", his attacks on Fauci and diction of "gaslighting" are relatively undeserved.

[emailking]

I don't know how Fauci should word it exactly, but I definitely don't think he's trying to gaslight.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

"A growing body of evidence suggests that fully vaccinated people are less likely to have asymptomatic infection and potentially less likely to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others. However, further investigation is ongoing."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/01/health/coronavirus-vaccine-walensky.html

Can Vaccinated People Spread the Virus? We Don’t Know, Scientists Say.


What do you expect Fauci to say at this stage with less than half of Americans fully vaccinated? You shouldn't state anything in concrete form until they unearth more of the unknowns of the virus. That's why you see scientific studies always saying "it may increase the risk of xx" even if it supports previous studies stating the same.

For someone like Silver whose specialty is hedging with remarks like "Trump could still have a chance", his attacks on Fauci and diction of "gaslighting" are relatively undeserved.

He should say something like “there is strong scientific evidence from multiple sources that vaccination dramatically reduces your risk of becoming infected or spreading the infection.”. Because this is the most accurate summary of the evidence.  

Then he’s free to add “further investigation is ongoing” if he wants.

Sometimes I feel like even the best medical researchers have no sense of Bayesian statistics at all.

[Calthrina950]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

"A growing body of evidence suggests that fully vaccinated people are less likely to have asymptomatic infection and potentially less likely to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others. However, further investigation is ongoing."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/01/health/coronavirus-vaccine-walensky.html

Can Vaccinated People Spread the Virus? We Don’t Know, Scientists Say.


What do you expect Fauci to say at this stage with less than half of Americans fully vaccinated? You shouldn't state anything in concrete form until they unearth more of the unknowns of the virus. That's why you see scientific studies always saying "it may increase the risk of xx" even if it supports previous studies stating the same.

For someone like Silver whose specialty is hedging with remarks like "Trump could still have a chance", his attacks on Fauci and diction of "gaslighting" are relatively undeserved.

Fauci remains cautious, and I think his comments may very well have been misinterpreted. He and other public health officials, including the CDC Director, have urged people to continue to adhering to coronavirus precautions until we've obtained a higher vaccination rate. He seems to believe we will be back to normal by the time this year is out.

[It’s so Joever]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

"A growing body of evidence suggests that fully vaccinated people are less likely to have asymptomatic infection and potentially less likely to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others. However, further investigation is ongoing."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/01/health/coronavirus-vaccine-walensky.html

Can Vaccinated People Spread the Virus? We Don’t Know, Scientists Say.


What do you expect Fauci to say at this stage with less than half of Americans fully vaccinated? You shouldn't state anything in concrete form until they unearth more of the unknowns of the virus. That's why you see scientific studies always saying "it may increase the risk of xx" even if it supports previous studies stating the same.

For someone like Silver whose specialty is hedging with remarks like "Trump could still have a chance", his attacks on Fauci and diction of "gaslighting" are relatively undeserved.

Fauci remains cautious, and I think his comments may very well have been misinterpreted. He and other public health officials, including the CDC Director, have urged people to continue to adhering to  coronavirus precautions until we've obtained a higher vaccination rate. He seems to believe we will be back to normal by the time this year is out.

I think it’s almost certain vaccinated people are usually prevented from spreading the virus, but obviously Fauci can’t say that because there isn’t really concrete evidence on a large scale (but it’s coming)

[Asta]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

"A growing body of evidence suggests that fully vaccinated people are less likely to have asymptomatic infection and potentially less likely to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others. However, further investigation is ongoing."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/01/health/coronavirus-vaccine-walensky.html

Can Vaccinated People Spread the Virus? We Don’t Know, Scientists Say.


What do you expect Fauci to say at this stage with less than half of Americans fully vaccinated? You shouldn't state anything in concrete form until they unearth more of the unknowns of the virus. That's why you see scientific studies always saying "it may increase the risk of xx" even if it supports previous studies stating the same.

For someone like Silver whose specialty is hedging with remarks like "Trump could still have a chance", his attacks on Fauci and diction of "gaslighting" are relatively undeserved.

He should say something like “there is strong scientific evidence from multiple sources that vaccination dramatically reduces your risk of becoming infected or spreading the infection.”. Because this is the most accurate summary of the evidence.  

Then he’s free to add “further investigation is ongoing” if he wants.

Sometimes I feel like even the best medical researchers have no sense of Bayesian statistics at all.

The only thing article has stated is that Fauci will take precautions till we know for sure vaccinated people don't spread it.

It never mentions whether he was personally asked the question of "Do you think multiple studies pointing to effectiveness are valid? If he said "those studies don't mean anything and we must still be careful" then that's one thing. But that's not what the context, at least based on how I read, indicates.

The article is full of how Fauci, himself, personally doesn't engage in risk-prone activities...yet. And it even goes on to mention how he is just a workhorse in general.

Silver took things out of context and blew them out of proportion.

[Asta]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

"A growing body of evidence suggests that fully vaccinated people are less likely to have asymptomatic infection and potentially less likely to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others. However, further investigation is ongoing."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/01/health/coronavirus-vaccine-walensky.html

Can Vaccinated People Spread the Virus? We Don’t Know, Scientists Say.


What do you expect Fauci to say at this stage with less than half of Americans fully vaccinated? You shouldn't state anything in concrete form until they unearth more of the unknowns of the virus. That's why you see scientific studies always saying "it may increase the risk of xx" even if it supports previous studies stating the same.

For someone like Silver whose specialty is hedging with remarks like "Trump could still have a chance", his attacks on Fauci and diction of "gaslighting" are relatively undeserved.

Fauci remains cautious, and I think his comments may very well have been misinterpreted. He and other public health officials, including the CDC Director, have urged people to continue to adhering to coronavirus precautions until we've obtained a higher vaccination rate. He seems to believe we will be back to normal by the time this year is out.

Agreed. I have no problem with CDC, as they often seem to be, on the conservative side of conclusions. I don't care about Fauci much at all, but the hatred and nitpicking that he gets from the right and even the left wingers are absurd.

[Calthrina950]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

"A growing body of evidence suggests that fully vaccinated people are less likely to have asymptomatic infection and potentially less likely to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others. However, further investigation is ongoing."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/01/health/coronavirus-vaccine-walensky.html

Can Vaccinated People Spread the Virus? We Don’t Know, Scientists Say.


What do you expect Fauci to say at this stage with less than half of Americans fully vaccinated? You shouldn't state anything in concrete form until they unearth more of the unknowns of the virus. That's why you see scientific studies always saying "it may increase the risk of xx" even if it supports previous studies stating the same.

For someone like Silver whose specialty is hedging with remarks like "Trump could still have a chance", his attacks on Fauci and diction of "gaslighting" are relatively undeserved.

Fauci remains cautious, and I think his comments may very well have been misinterpreted. He and other public health officials, including the CDC Director, have urged people to continue to adhering to coronavirus precautions until we've obtained a higher vaccination rate. He seems to believe we will be back to normal by the time this year is out.

Agreed. I have no problem with CDC, as they often seem to be, on the conservative side of conclusions. I don't care about Fauci much at all, but the hatred and nitpicking that he gets from the right and even the left wingers are absurd.

Many on the right seem to believe that Fauci is controlling the federal government's entire coronavirus response, and even the responses of the more restrictive states. Of course, many of those same people also believe in the conspiracy theories that Fauci colluded with Bill Gates, the Chinese Government, and other elements to engineer the pandemic. As I've said before, the man is merely doing the job which he's done for nearly 40 years now.

[Dr. Arch]

The updated numbers for COVID-19 in the U.S. are in for 4/10 per: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I'm keeping track of these updates daily and updating at the end of the day, whenever all states finish reporting for that day.

ΔW Change: Comparisons of Weekly Day-to-day Growth or Decline of COVID-19 Spread/Deaths.

• IE: Comparing the numbers to the same day of last week, are we flattening the curve enough?

Σ Increase: A day's contribution to overall percentage growth of COVID-19 cases/deaths.

• IE:What's the overall change in the total?

Brackets []: These represent the total change for the day, including backlogged reports, if any.

• These numbers are inflated relative to the actual reports for the day, so they are not used to calculate the comparative percentage shifts.

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3/28: <Sunday>

• Cases: 30,957,997 (+40,867 | ΔW Change: ↑3.47% | Σ Increase: ↑0.13%)
• Deaths: 562,495 (+483 | ΔW Change: ↑6.15% | Σ Increase: ↑0.09%)

3/29: <M>

• Cases: 31,033,801 (+59,707 [+75,804] | ΔW Change: ↑23.38% | Σ Increase: ↑0.24%)
• Deaths: 563,206 (+639 [+711] | ΔW Change: ↑1.27% | Σ Increase: ↑0.13%)

3/30: <T>

• Cases: 31,097,154 (+63,353 | ΔW Change: ↑6.35% | Σ Increase: ↑0.20%)
• Deaths: 564,138 (+932 | ΔW Change: ↓0.64% | Σ Increase: ↑0.17%)

3/31: <W>

• Cases: 31,166,344 (+69,190 | ΔW Change: ↑2.11% | Σ Increase: ↑0.22%)
• Deaths: 565,256 (+1,118 | ΔW Change: ↓20.43% | Σ Increase: ↑0.20%)

4/1: <Þ>

• Cases: 31,244,639 (+78,295 | ΔW Change: ↑16.78% | Σ Increase: ↑0.25%)
• Deaths: 566,611 (+952 [+1,355] | ΔW Change: ↓18.28% | Σ Increase: ↑0.24%)

4/2: <F>

• Cases: 31,314,625 (+69,986 | ΔW Change: ↓11.41% | Σ Increase: ↑0.22%)
• Deaths: 567,610 (+999 | ΔW Change: ↓28.54% | Σ Increase: ↑0.18%)

4/3: <S>

• Cases: 31,382,205 (+67,580 | ΔW Change: ↑5.43% | Σ Increase: ↑0.22%)
• Deaths: 568,499 (+793 [+889] | ΔW Change: ↑0.76% | Σ Increase: ↑0.16%)

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• Cases: 31,420,331 (+38,126 | ΔW Change: ↓3.47% | Σ Increase: ↑0.12%)
• Deaths: 568,777 (+278 | ΔW Change: ↓38.90% | Σ Increase: ↑0.05%)

4/5: <M>

• Cases: 31,490,563 (+50,329 [+70,232] | ΔW Change: ↓15.71% | Σ Increase: ↑0.22%)
• Deaths: 569,197 (+420 | ΔW Change: ↓34.27% | Σ Increase: ↑0.07%)

4/6: <T>

• Cases: 31,560,438 (+62,283 [+69,875] | ΔW Change: ↓1.69% | Σ Increase: ↑0.22%)
• Deaths: 570,260 (+906 [+1,063] | ΔW Change: ↓2.79% | Σ Increase: ↑0.19%)

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• Cases: 31,637,243 (+76,805 | ΔW Change: ↑9.91% | Σ Increase: ↑0.24%)
• Deaths: 572,849 (+873 [+2,589] | ΔW Change: ↓21.91% | Σ Increase: ↑0.45%)

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• Cases: 31,717,404 (+75,183 [+80,161] | ΔW Change: ↓3.97% | Σ Increase: ↑0.25%)
• Deaths: 573,856 (+872 [+1,007] | ΔW Change: ↓8.40% | Σ Increase: ↑0.18%)

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• Cases: 31,802,772 (+85,368 | ΔW Change: ↑21.98% | Σ Increase: ↑0.27%)
• Deaths: 574,840 (+984 | ΔW Change: ↓1.50% | Σ Increase: ↑0.17%)

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• Cases: 31,869,980 (+67,208 | ΔW Change: ↓0.60% | Σ Increase: ↑0.21%)
• Deaths: 575,593 (+753 | ΔW Change: ↓5.04% | Σ Increase: ↑0.13%)

[Meclazine for Israel]

Australia's Department of Health has made a significant medical breakthrough in the COVID-19 vaccine rollout.

I know you guys think that because Australia has virtually no COVID-19 virus, we are not able to research the application of the vaccine in terms of the prevention of the virus. But this article proves we are at the pinnacle of medical research:

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/is-it-true/is-it-true-can-covid-19-vaccines-connect-me-to-the-internet

"Can COVID-19 vaccines connect me to the internet?
COVID-19 vaccines do not – and cannot – connect you to the internet."

[Former President tack50]

Australia's Department of Health has made a significant medical breakthrough in the COVID-19 vaccine rollout.

I know you guys think that because Australia has virtually no COVID-19 virus, we are not able to research the application of the vaccine in terms of the prevention of the virus. But this article proves we are at the pinnacle of medical research:

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/is-it-true/is-it-true-can-covid-19-vaccines-connect-me-to-the-internet

"Can COVID-19 vaccines connect me to the internet?
COVID-19 vaccines do not – and cannot – connect you to the internet."

Damn, so much NWO Bill Gates conspiracies and they can't evne make a chip that can connect you to the internet? Big disappointment

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1381245654584807426

[Person Man]

Australia's Department of Health has made a significant medical breakthrough in the COVID-19 vaccine rollout.

I know you guys think that because Australia has virtually no COVID-19 virus, we are not able to research the application of the vaccine in terms of the prevention of the virus. But this article proves we are at the pinnacle of medical research:

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/is-it-true/is-it-true-can-covid-19-vaccines-connect-me-to-the-internet

"Can COVID-19 vaccines connect me to the internet?
COVID-19 vaccines do not – and cannot – connect you to the internet."

Damn, so much NWO Bill Gates conspiracies and they can't evne make a chip that can connect you to the internet? Big disappointment

Apparently Elon said you could get Zune through the vaccines.

[DabbingSanta]

Michigan, a state that has seen unprecedented and unconstitutional restrictions implemented in response to the coronavirus, is seeing a record surge.  Yesterday, the state recorded over 8000 cases.

Texas, a state which lifted their remaining restrictions a month ago, is near an all time low in cases.  They are nearly 3x the population of Michigan, but they only recorded 2500 cases yesterday.

It is clear what works and what doesn't.  If you still support lockdowns and mask mandates at this point, there is no point having a reasonable conversation.  If you only selectively support "freedom" and democracy when it benefits your side, you are part of the problem.  It is time to reopen America now, and fully, before it is too late.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

Luckily, I think Michigan is leveling off a little bit, and New Jersey clearly is. I know Texas is doing better though.

I'm surprised the U.S. overall isn't doing much better, since the vaccines are rolling out.