COVID-19 Megathread 6: Return of the Omicron

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

There is no way to prevent them. Full stop.

This is completely false.  The only reason there are hundreds of death a day is that so many people are not vaccinated.

So there are really two choices: (a) pass a vaccine mandate with real teeth to it (i.e. get vaccinated or get sent to a labor camp in the ANWR; or (b) just accept that the people who are now dying are doing so of their own choice and stop concerning ourselves with them.

[roxas11]

There is no way to prevent them. Full stop.

This is completely false.  The only reason there are hundreds of death a day is that so many people are not vaccinated.

So there are really two choices: (a) pass a vaccine mandate with real teeth to it (i.e. get vaccinated or get sent to a labor camp in the ANWR; or (b) just accept that the people who are now dying are doing so of their own choice and stop concerning ourselves with them.

There really is not two choices because even if Biden came out tomorrow a tried to pass a vaccine mandate with real teeth most Republican states will not comply with it and the supreme court will most likely strike it down.

Sadly, I think we will just have to accept the fact that there will always be a sizable amount of people in this country who will never get vaccinated and nothing you or I say is ever going to change that.

The best thing we can do now is hope that there is not an even worse virus that will hit us a few years from now because if covid has taught us anything in the era of Facebook America and the world are no longer capable of eradicating a virus like they did with Polio

[Doomer]

Girl I know was anti vax.

Her husband got covid and literally almost died.

She got the vaccine after that, and her husband is going to get it as soon as he's able.


That's the only way to convince these people...having their very own brush with death because of their ignorance. It's unfortunate, but that's the reality Republicans have made.

[Wrong about 2024 Ghost]

There is no way to prevent them. Full stop.

This is completely false.  The only reason there are hundreds of death a day is that so many people are not vaccinated.

So there are really two choices: (a) pass a vaccine mandate with real teeth to it (i.e. get vaccinated or get sent to a labor camp in the ANWR; or (b) just accept that the people who are now dying are doing so of their own choice and stop concerning ourselves with them.

There really is not two choices because even if Biden came out tomorrow a tried to pass a vaccine mandate with real teeth most Republican states will not comply with it and the supreme court will most likely strike it down.

Sadly, I think we will just have to accept the fact that there will always be a sizable amount of people in this country who will never get vaccinated and nothing you or I say is ever going to change that.

The best thing we can do now is hope that there is not an even worse virus that will hit us a few years from now because if covid has taught us anything in the era of Facebook America and the world are no longer capable of eradicating a virus like they did with Polio

A significantly worse virus would result in an America that was thoroughly vaccinated, though at an even higher death toll than the hundred of thousands of Americans who have died already.

[GP270watch]

Girl I know was anti vax.

Her husband got covid and literally almost died.

She got the vaccine after that, and her husband is going to get it as soon as he's able.


That's the only way to convince these people...having their very own brush with death because of their ignorance. It's unfortunate, but that's the reality Republicans have made.

 Social media is filled with dumbass people who get sick or have a family member die and say something to the effect of

"This Covid-19 is very serious guys"


 and a previous post history mocking Covid-19 precautions and filled with insane ramblings and memes.
 

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Is there any resource that compiles data on deaths among vaccinated people only?

[Frodo]

So it is looking like Valentine's Day (or thereabouts) will be the peak for the Omicron variant in the United States.  Thereafter, it will gradually fade away:
 
Coronavirus Update: Fauci Predicts Omicron Variant Will Reach Peak In February

I am definitely staying in Camp 3 until late March or early April. 

[emailking]

That doesn't make sense to me because it seems very likely the peak was Jan 7 (or maybe the week after if you want to smooth it out) and we're just not hitting numbers that high anymore. Of course that could change, it could have been a false peak, but like >90% chance we're past it.

Unless of course he means a peak in deaths, which remains to be seen when it will happen.

[Meclazine for Israel]

So it is looking like Valentine's Day (or thereabouts) will be the peak for the Omicron variant in the United States.  Thereafter, it will gradually fade away:
 
Coronavirus Update: Fauci Predicts Omicron Variant Will Reach Peak In February

I am definitely staying in Camp 3 until late March or early April. 

I predicted the first peak was going to fade into oblivion in June 2020.

That idea didn't age well.

Now I am getting a Booster shot 2 years later. This thing is brutally linked to human history now.

[GeneralMacArthur]

After two weeks suffering from COVID I finally felt healthy and non-contagious enough this weekend to resume my normal life.  My girlfriend and I went out and had a nice brunch, then went to the mall to do a bunch of shopping, and watched a movie in a movie theatre.  Then we had drinks after.

I wore a cloth mask, she wore an N95 since she still hasn't gotten COVID, and seeing what it did to me motivated her to take extra precautions to avoid getting it.  We had to show our vaccine cards at the restaurants, which took five seconds.

All you conservatives whining about lockdowns or how liberals are a bunch of fraidy cats, or how you want to "live your life" and "not be afraid of COVID" or whatever, suck it.  I just went out and did the exact same things I would have done if there were no COVID at all.  Nobody in the government stopped me.  The most inconvenient thing to happen all day was being told I couldn't sit on an empty display table while waiting for her to try on clothes.

You guys are all sitting at home, reading your right-wing drivel and writing your masturbatory dystopian fantasies about how the government is trying to lock us down and only the brave, strong conservative manly men standing up to government tyranny and refusing to live in fear can save us.  Meanwhile we're just out here, living our lives.

Wear a mask.  Get the vaccine.  Stop writing stupid s--t on the internet.  Grow up.  It's not that hard.  Seriously, get out of your fantasy land and stop being babies.

[DINGO Joe]

There is no way to prevent them. Full stop.

This is completely false.  The only reason there are hundreds of death a day is that so many people are not vaccinated.

So there are really two choices: (a) pass a vaccine mandate with real teeth to it (i.e. get vaccinated or get sent to a labor camp in the ANWR; or (b) just accept that the people who are now dying are doing so of their own choice and stop concerning ourselves with them.

There really is not two choices because even if Biden came out tomorrow a tried to pass a vaccine mandate with real teeth most Republican states will not comply with it and the supreme court will most likely strike it down.

Sadly, I think we will just have to accept the fact that there will always be a sizable amount of people in this country who will never get vaccinated and nothing you or I say is ever going to change that.

The best thing we can do now is hope that there is not an even worse virus that will hit us a few years from now because if covid has taught us anything in the era of Facebook America and the world are no longer capable of eradicating a virus like they did with Polio

A significantly worse virus would result in an America that was thoroughly vaccinated, though at an even higher death toll than the hundred of thousands of Americans who have died already.

Oh go ahead and call it a million, for all intents and purposes, it's there.

[GeneralMacArthur]

There is no way to prevent them. Full stop.

This is completely false.  The only reason there are hundreds of death a day is that so many people are not vaccinated.

So there are really two choices: (a) pass a vaccine mandate with real teeth to it (i.e. get vaccinated or get sent to a labor camp in the ANWR; or (b) just accept that the people who are now dying are doing so of their own choice and stop concerning ourselves with them.

There really is not two choices because even if Biden came out tomorrow a tried to pass a vaccine mandate with real teeth most Republican states will not comply with it and the supreme court will most likely strike it down.

Sadly, I think we will just have to accept the fact that there will always be a sizable amount of people in this country who will never get vaccinated and nothing you or I say is ever going to change that.

The best thing we can do now is hope that there is not an even worse virus that will hit us a few years from now because if covid has taught us anything in the era of Facebook America and the world are no longer capable of eradicating a virus like they did with Polio

A significantly worse virus would result in an America that was thoroughly vaccinated, though at an even higher death toll than the hundred of thousands of Americans who have died already.

A significantly worse virus would be the end of the Republican Party.

[Calthrina950]

After two weeks suffering from COVID I finally felt healthy and non-contagious enough this weekend to resume my normal life.  My girlfriend and I went out and had a nice brunch, then went to the mall to do a bunch of shopping, and watched a movie in a movie theatre.  Then we had drinks after.

I wore a cloth mask, she wore an N95 since she still hasn't gotten COVID, and seeing what it did to me motivated her to take extra precautions to avoid getting it.  We had to show our vaccine cards at the restaurants, which took five seconds.

All you conservatives whining about lockdowns or how liberals are a bunch of fraidy cats, or how you want to "live your life" and "not be afraid of COVID" or whatever, suck it.  I just went out and did the exact same things I would have done if there were no COVID at all.  Nobody in the government stopped me.  The most inconvenient thing to happen all day was being told I couldn't sit on an empty display table while waiting for her to try on clothes.

You guys are all sitting at home, reading your right-wing drivel and writing your masturbatory dystopian fantasies about how the government is trying to lock us down and only the brave, strong conservative manly men standing up to government tyranny and refusing to live in fear can save us.  Meanwhile we're just out here, living our lives.

Wear a mask.  Get the vaccine.  Stop writing stupid s--t on the internet.  Grow up.  It's not that hard.  Seriously, get out of your fantasy land and stop being babies.

This isn't an accurate reflection of what many individuals on here have said. The majority of posters on this forum are agreed that we should be moving on from the "Covid regime", that the virus has become endemic, and that remaining restrictions ought to be discarded. Moreover, the vast majority of us are vaccinated, and many of us are vaccinated and boosted. What many posters have been concerned about is the long-term implications which the pandemic could very well have for society, and the need to prevent some of these measures from being implemented in the future. These concerns are legitimate and have been raised by a considerable number of individuals, including many on the left. I don't think they should be handwaved away.

[GeneralMacArthur]

After two weeks suffering from COVID I finally felt healthy and non-contagious enough this weekend to resume my normal life.  My girlfriend and I went out and had a nice brunch, then went to the mall to do a bunch of shopping, and watched a movie in a movie theatre.  Then we had drinks after.

I wore a cloth mask, she wore an N95 since she still hasn't gotten COVID, and seeing what it did to me motivated her to take extra precautions to avoid getting it.  We had to show our vaccine cards at the restaurants, which took five seconds.

All you conservatives whining about lockdowns or how liberals are a bunch of fraidy cats, or how you want to "live your life" and "not be afraid of COVID" or whatever, suck it.  I just went out and did the exact same things I would have done if there were no COVID at all.  Nobody in the government stopped me.  The most inconvenient thing to happen all day was being told I couldn't sit on an empty display table while waiting for her to try on clothes.

You guys are all sitting at home, reading your right-wing drivel and writing your masturbatory dystopian fantasies about how the government is trying to lock us down and only the brave, strong conservative manly men standing up to government tyranny and refusing to live in fear can save us.  Meanwhile we're just out here, living our lives.

Wear a mask.  Get the vaccine.  Stop writing stupid s--t on the internet.  Grow up.  It's not that hard.  Seriously, get out of your fantasy land and stop being babies.

This isn't an accurate reflection of what many individuals on here have said. The majority of posters on this forum are agreed that we should be moving on from the "Covid regime", that the virus has become endemic, and that remaining restrictions ought to be discarded. Moreover, the vast majority of us are vaccinated, and many of us are vaccinated and boosted. What many posters have been concerned about is the long-term implications which the pandemic could very well have for society, and the need to prevent some of these measures from being implemented in the future. These concerns are legitimate and have been raised by a considerable number of individuals, including many on the left. I don't think they should be handwaved away.

why do people do this thing where I write a post that's clearly targeted at one group of people, and they just pretend I was talking about a completely different group of people

[Calthrina950]

After two weeks suffering from COVID I finally felt healthy and non-contagious enough this weekend to resume my normal life.  My girlfriend and I went out and had a nice brunch, then went to the mall to do a bunch of shopping, and watched a movie in a movie theatre.  Then we had drinks after.

I wore a cloth mask, she wore an N95 since she still hasn't gotten COVID, and seeing what it did to me motivated her to take extra precautions to avoid getting it.  We had to show our vaccine cards at the restaurants, which took five seconds.

All you conservatives whining about lockdowns or how liberals are a bunch of fraidy cats, or how you want to "live your life" and "not be afraid of COVID" or whatever, suck it.  I just went out and did the exact same things I would have done if there were no COVID at all.  Nobody in the government stopped me.  The most inconvenient thing to happen all day was being told I couldn't sit on an empty display table while waiting for her to try on clothes.

You guys are all sitting at home, reading your right-wing drivel and writing your masturbatory dystopian fantasies about how the government is trying to lock us down and only the brave, strong conservative manly men standing up to government tyranny and refusing to live in fear can save us.  Meanwhile we're just out here, living our lives.

Wear a mask.  Get the vaccine.  Stop writing stupid s--t on the internet.  Grow up.  It's not that hard.  Seriously, get out of your fantasy land and stop being babies.

This isn't an accurate reflection of what many individuals on here have said. The majority of posters on this forum are agreed that we should be moving on from the "Covid regime", that the virus has become endemic, and that remaining restrictions ought to be discarded. Moreover, the vast majority of us are vaccinated, and many of us are vaccinated and boosted. What many posters have been concerned about is the long-term implications which the pandemic could very well have for society, and the need to prevent some of these measures from being implemented in the future. These concerns are legitimate and have been raised by a considerable number of individuals, including many on the left. I don't think they should be handwaved away.

why do people do this thing where I write a post that's clearly targeted at one group of people, and they just pretend I was talking about a completely different group of people

I didn't make any pretensions. Again, as I've said before, you have a habit of arguing with and alienating people who hold the same views as you do on many political and social issues. The majority of the forum does want to live their lives, but you take umbrage with the complaints and concerns which posters have had about the coronavirus response, and the concerns which they may have about the future. I'm hopeful that we're headed out of the pandemic, but it would be foolish for us to not consider the effects it has had, and to think about the future outlook of society, particularly since we will almost certainly confront a crisis like this again.

[Hammy]

So it is looking like Valentine's Day (or thereabouts) will be the peak for the Omicron variant in the United States.  Thereafter, it will gradually fade away:
 
Coronavirus Update: Fauci Predicts Omicron Variant Will Reach Peak In February

I am definitely staying in Camp 3 until late March or early April. 

This makes sense given the spread is not even across the country. Some states are going down while others are going up, so the national numbers will probably fluctuate until most states pass their peaks.

[Torie]

I dissent from the theory put up by the good General above that resistance to the vax is driven by macho impulses. I subscribe to the theory that the resistance is fueled by paranoia and kookery. The macho thesis is less depressing than mine. It is harder to induce change in the behavior of paranoids and kooks than it is of macho men.

[Calthrina950]

why do people do this thing where I write a post that's clearly targeted at one group of people, and they just pretend I was talking about a completely different group of people

The critique was not "clearly targeted." You were ambiguous enough that you could pose as tough and common sensical while actually being catty. You can't even address the poster to whom you're responding directly ("why do people," our guy is a specific person goddamnit).

It's pathetic and you do it all the time, usually retreating to the absurd idea that by being long-winded you are automatically intellectually respectable and interesting. You engage with posters who disagree with you only insofar as they provide a foil for some imagined audience. Most people use Twitter to scratch that itch, but that requires brevity.

I've said before that GeneralMacArthur is one of the most personally unpleasant posters on this forum. Time and time again, he displays an astonishing contempt for the contributions of other posters on here, and is needlessly confrontational on the most petty of matters.

[DINGO Joe]

I dissent from the theory put up by the good General above that resistance to the vax is driven by macho impulses. I subscribe to the theory that the resistance is fueled by paranoia and kookery. The macho thesis is less depressing than mine. It is harder to induce change in the behavior of paranoids and kooks than it is of macho men.

Well, the deaths from Covid have definitely shifted to be younger, whiter and even more male than pre-vax, so macho men and kookery  aren't necessarily exclusive.

[DaleCooper]

I dissent from the theory put up by the good General above that resistance to the vax is driven by macho impulses. I subscribe to the theory that the resistance is fueled by paranoia and kookery. The macho thesis is less depressing than mine. It is harder to induce change in the behavior of paranoids and kooks than it is of macho men.

Well, the deaths from Covid have definitely shifted to be younger, whiter and even more male than pre-vax, so macho men and kookery  aren't necessarily exclusive.

COVID has always been more lethal to men.

[GeneralMacArthur]

The critique was not "clearly targeted."

"You guys are all sitting at home, reading your right-wing drivel and writing your masturbatory dystopian fantasies" do you really think this is about you?  Do you read right-wing drivel and post dystopian fantasies on Atlas?  There's about ten users who have been doing this and that's who this post is about.  You and Calthrina, and for some reason the people recommending your post, are pretending to be too obtuse to understand this just so you can have an excuse to lob insults at me.

You were ambiguous enough that you could pose as tough and common sensical while actually being catty.

Again, you guys constantly seem to think there's some grand conspiratorial nature to my posts.  There's no ambiguity.  It's not a complicated post.  It's neither "tough" nor "catty" it's just me mocking the people who keep insisting we're doomed to eternal lockdown.

You can't even address the poster to whom you're responding directly ("why do people," our guy is a specific person goddamnit).

Because other people do it, not just Calthrina.  Again, I'm 110% sure that you knew this, and you're just pretending to be obtuse so you can have an excuse to lob insults at me.

It's pathetic and you do it all the time, usually retreating to the absurd idea that by being long-winded you are automatically intellectually respectable and interesting.

I'm actually not sure what "it's" is supposed to refer to here, but I completely reject the notion that my I'm long-winded.  I write long posts, but they're direct and full of a lot of content.  In fact I think it would serve me well to be more meandering and explicatory in my posts, since maybe then people wouldn't constantly pretend to misunderstand them and get away with it.

You engage with posters who disagree with you only insofar as they provide a foil for some imagined audience.

Again, this is just your fantasy of my psyche.  Nothing about what I write on here is complicated.  I just like arguing with people.

I've said before that GeneralMacArthur is one of the most personally unpleasant posters on this forum. Time and time again, he displays an astonishing contempt for the contributions of other posters on here, and is needlessly confrontational on the most petty of matters.

You've posted this exact sentence on a weekly basis ever since I joined the forum.  You can always just block me again, nobody's stopping you.  I'm not going to apologize for being confrontational with people who build their identities around COVID lies.  Nor will I apologize for being confrontational (if that's how you want to read this post) with people like you and averroes who willfully misinterpret my posts so you can insult me and lie about me.  I didn't pick this little fight, but everyone's going to act like I did because that's just how Atlas works.

[GeneralMacArthur]

I dissent from the theory put up by the good General above that resistance to the vax is driven by macho impulses. I subscribe to the theory that the resistance is fueled by paranoia and kookery. The macho thesis is less depressing than mine. It is harder to induce change in the behavior of paranoids and kooks than it is of macho men.

Well, the deaths from Covid have definitely shifted to be younger, whiter and even more male than pre-vax, so macho men and kookery  aren't necessarily exclusive.

COVID has always been more lethal to men.

The "stand up to government tyranny" "refuse to live in fear of COVID" "defend your freedom" "don't fall for liberal hysterics" etc. isn't necessarily a masculine thing.  I called it macho because Atlas is like 95% male, so that's how it's being materialized on here.

DISCLAIMER:  When I say "that's how it's being materialized on here" I am only referring to users who say these things.  If you do not say these things then this post is not about you.  Pretending to think this post is about you so you can attack me is a violation of section 11.A.139.i of the internet code of conduct.  Violations will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

[Calthrina950]

The critique was not "clearly targeted."

"You guys are all sitting at home, reading your right-wing drivel and writing your masturbatory dystopian fantasies" do you really think this is about you?  Do you read right-wing drivel and post dystopian fantasies on Atlas?  There's about ten users who have been doing this and that's who this post is about.  You and Calthrina, and for some reason the people recommending your post, are pretending to be too obtuse to understand this just so you can have an excuse to lob insults at me.

You were ambiguous enough that you could pose as tough and common sensical while actually being catty.

Again, you guys constantly seem to think there's some grand conspiratorial nature to my posts.  There's no ambiguity.  It's not a complicated post.  It's neither "tough" nor "catty" it's just me mocking the people who keep insisting we're doomed to eternal lockdown.

You can't even address the poster to whom you're responding directly ("why do people," our guy is a specific person goddamnit).

Because other people do it, not just Calthrina.  Again, I'm 110% sure that you knew this, and you're just pretending to be obtuse so you can have an excuse to lob insults at me.

It's pathetic and you do it all the time, usually retreating to the absurd idea that by being long-winded you are automatically intellectually respectable and interesting.

I'm actually not sure what "it's" is supposed to refer to here, but I completely reject the notion that my I'm long-winded.  I write long posts, but they're direct and full of a lot of content.  In fact I think it would serve me well to be more meandering and explicatory in my posts, since maybe then people wouldn't constantly pretend to misunderstand them and get away with it.

You engage with posters who disagree with you only insofar as they provide a foil for some imagined audience.

Again, this is just your fantasy of my psyche.  Nothing about what I write on here is complicated.  I just like arguing with people.

I've said before that GeneralMacArthur is one of the most personally unpleasant posters on this forum. Time and time again, he displays an astonishing contempt for the contributions of other posters on here, and is needlessly confrontational on the most petty of matters.

You've posted this exact sentence on a weekly basis ever since I joined the forum.  You can always just block me again, nobody's stopping you.  I'm not going to apologize for being confrontational with people who build their identities around COVID lies.  Nor will I apologize for being confrontational (if that's how you want to read this post) with people like you and averroes who willfully misinterpret my posts so you can insult me and lie about me.  I didn't pick this little fight, but everyone's going to act like I did because that's just how Atlas works.

You have the gall to accuse others of "willfully misinterpreting" your posts and to get angry about people "lying about" and "defaming" you, but yet you do these things to other posters all the time. This is a case of the pot calling the kettle black, as they say. It is not true that I've been "raining fire" on you since you first became active here. I actually tried to engage you in debate and to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you responded in the same manner as you have here: by dismissing my arguments, refusing to remain civil, and resorting to ad hominem attacks. Why would you expect for people to respect you and treat you well if you're not willing to reciprocate?

At this point, I'm not interested in arguing further with you about this. It's so ironic that you do not understand that on balance, with regards to desiring for a return to normalcy and for moving past the pandemic, we agree. Instead, you view me and much of the rest of this forum as enemies, and that is why most people on here have a negative opinion of you.

[GeneralMacArthur]

You have the gall to accuse others of "willfully misinterpreting" your posts and to get angry about people "lying about" and "defaming" you, but yet you do these things to other posters all the time. This is a case of the pot calling the kettle black, as they say. It is not true that I've been "raining fire" on you since you first became active here. I actually tried to engage you in debate and to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you responded in the same manner as you have here: by dismissing my arguments, refusing to remain civil, and resorting to ad hominem attacks. Why would you expect for people to respect you and treat you well if you're not willing to reciprocate?

At this point, I'm not interested in arguing further with you about this. It's so ironic that you do not understand that on balance, with regards to desiring for a return to normalcy and for moving past the pandemic, we agree. Instead, you view me and much of the rest of this forum as enemies, and that is why most people on here have a negative opinion of you.

Go read the exchange again.  I posted something that was clearly targeted at the "muh government tyranny" posters, and you wrote a long paragraph whose basis was explaining to me that most of the forum believes something different.  I said, that's not who I'm talking about.  And then you just went off on an insult spree, and Averroes just showed up out of the blue to add more insults totally unprovoked.

I still haven't actually posted any ad-hominem attacks in this exchange, unlike you two.  But see, you can just say something like "you responded in the same manner as you have here: ... resorting to ad hominem attacks" and people will believe it, because why would Calthrina lie?

[Calthrina950]

You have the gall to accuse others of "willfully misinterpreting" your posts and to get angry about people "lying about" and "defaming" you, but yet you do these things to other posters all the time. This is a case of the pot calling the kettle black, as they say. It is not true that I've been "raining fire" on you since you first became active here. I actually tried to engage you in debate and to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you responded in the same manner as you have here: by dismissing my arguments, refusing to remain civil, and resorting to ad hominem attacks. Why would you expect for people to respect you and treat you well if you're not willing to reciprocate?

At this point, I'm not interested in arguing further with you about this. It's so ironic that you do not understand that on balance, with regards to desiring for a return to normalcy and for moving past the pandemic, we agree. Instead, you view me and much of the rest of this forum as enemies, and that is why most people on here have a negative opinion of you.

Go read the exchange again.  I posted something that was clearly targeted at the "muh government tyranny" posters, and you wrote a long paragraph whose basis was explaining to me that most of the forum believes something different.  I said, that's not who I'm talking about.  And then you just went off on an insult spree, and Averroes just showed up out of the blue to add more insults totally unprovoked.

I still haven't actually posted any ad-hominem attacks in this exchange, unlike you two.  But see, you can just say something like "you responded in the same manner as you have here: ... resorting to ad hominem attacks" and people will believe it, because why would Calthrina lie?

The point I was making is that you and the "muh government tyranny" posters you deride have more in common than you would care to admit. Yes, it's true that most posters on here are opposed to prolonging coronavirus restrictions, want to return to a mode of normalcy, and are concerned about the effects which those restrictions could have. Most posters are living their lives, as best as they can, but they recognize that not everyone is capable of doing so.

At any rate, your initial response to me wasn't in good faith, and Averroes was rallying to my defense. I've tried my best since returning from my hiatus to get along with other posters, and I would rather not be on hostile terms with you. But you don't seem to be interested in that, and I've given up trying to be nice to people who aren't willing to reciprocate.