Will Trump pardon the terrorists who plotted to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer?
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« on: October 08, 2020, 09:24:37 PM »
I could see him doing it in the lame duck at least. Hopefully Michigan throws some state charges at them too.
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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2020, 09:27:17 PM »
He’d be setting a personally endangering precedent, so no.
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2020, 09:32:09 PM »
He doesn't care about precedent. The only thing that makes that impossible is that you have to be convicted to receive a pardon.
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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2020, 09:59:12 PM »
I voted No because I hope he wouldn't but then I remember that he pardoned a War Criminal and Arpaio. So it wouldn't shock me if that moron did that.
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2020, 11:31:16 PM »
No, but if they'd actually done the kidnap, he might have.
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2020, 11:40:33 PM »
Quote from: DrScholl on October 08, 2020, 09:32:09 PM
He doesn't care about precedent. The only thing that makes that impossible is that you have to be convicted to receive a pardon.

You don't have to be convicted. You don't even have to be charged. He could just give them blanket pardon for anything relating to the event. (I don't think he will though.)
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2020, 11:45:12 PM »
Quote from: emailking on October 08, 2020, 11:40:33 PM
Quote from: DrScholl on October 08, 2020, 09:32:09 PM
He doesn't care about precedent. The only thing that makes that impossible is that you have to be convicted to receive a pardon.

You don't have to be convicted. You don't even have to be charged. He could just give them blanket pardon for anything relating to the event. (I don't think he will though.)

See: Richard Nixon.
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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2020, 11:54:58 PM »
are you joking?
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« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2020, 12:08:19 AM »
He might give them the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2020, 12:13:28 AM »
No, because it might encourage some crazy person to kidnap/attempt to kill him.

At least, that's what will happen if he cares about his safety at all.
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« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2020, 12:17:02 AM »
Are these federal or state charges?
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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2020, 12:18:59 AM »
He pardoned a guy who literally when on a murderous shooting spree in Iraq and killed a bunch of civilians, so it's not like it's a crazy question.
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« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2020, 12:34:32 AM »
 Trump is also doing TV interviews where he is calling for The Attorney General of The United States to arrest Obama, Biden, and Clinton. Which is so crazy, that it's not even getting a lot of coverage. Besides the fact it's not going to happen, Trump is spewing poison into the airwaves and if the wrong nut-job hears him, sees no arrest are being made, they might take matters into their own hands.
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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2020, 01:35:11 AM »
Quote from: TiltsAreUnderrated on October 08, 2020, 09:27:17 PM
He’d be setting a personally endangering precedent, so no.

Since when has Trump literally ever given a damn about that? I say that without an ounce of hyperbole.
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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2020, 04:55:07 AM »
Interesting question. I honestly don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if their lawyers wore MAGA hats and went on Fox and begged trump directly for pardons of their clients.
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« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2020, 05:12:33 AM »

"I like kidnappers who get their captives"
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« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2020, 05:44:11 AM »
Quote from: Badger on October 09, 2020, 01:35:11 AM
Quote from: TiltsAreUnderrated on October 08, 2020, 09:27:17 PM
He’d be setting a personally endangering precedent, so no.

Since when has Trump literally ever given a damn about that? I say that without an ounce of hyperbole.

The connection to his personal safety as opposed to long-term Republican interests is fairly easy for him to make in this scenario.
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« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2020, 07:08:17 AM »
No, he has very little to win by doing so
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« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2020, 07:27:05 AM »
Quote from: Alex on October 09, 2020, 07:08:17 AM
No, he has very little to win by doing so

Well by that reasoning, then yes he will, cause that's the way he's rolling these days.
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« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2020, 08:01:37 AM »

Ditto.

Donald Trump likes people who don't get captured.
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« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2020, 08:57:49 AM »
Quote from: Alex on October 09, 2020, 07:08:17 AM
No, he has very little to win by doing so

You're underestimating how petty he is.

But to the original question, accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. Could that then be used to bring them up on state charges?
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« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2020, 09:03:12 AM »
Dunno. I wouldn't bet on it. I'm pretty sure he will issue tons of pardons in the lame duck for all his corrupt surrogates and campaign people.

If he pardoned said group, they should be charged under state law and Biden as prez should attempt to rescind the pardon. Before court if necessary.
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« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2020, 09:07:00 AM »
Quote from: Stranger in a strange land on October 09, 2020, 08:57:49 AM
Quote from: Alex on October 09, 2020, 07:08:17 AM
No, he has very little to win by doing so

You're underestimating how petty he is.

But to the original question, accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. Could that then be used to bring them up on state charges?

I think interpreting a pardon as a guilty plea for the purposes of other charges would present constitutional double jeopardy issues.
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« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2020, 09:11:01 AM »
Probably not but would anyone honestly be shocked if he did?

If anyone asks him about if he feels at all responsible for their actions he will say "no I don't".

Don't be surprised though if we don't hear about other plots against Governors or if Trump tries to use this as an excuse to delay elections.
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« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2020, 10:41:34 AM »


During the time of the protests Trump already called them "very fine people".
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