If Canadian Provinces voted in the US Election: Biden +68

[Bootes Void]

The most conservative politician in Canada would be classified a hardcore liberal in America. I'm not surprised.

As someone actually from Canada, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Guess he never heard of Bernier.

To be fair, Bernier lost his re-election and his party is basically dead in the water, so whether or not he can even be classified as a "politician" anymore is debatable.

Even Andrew Scheer who ran as the conservative party candidate would be a republican, but mostly a run of the mill establishment type. Bernier is basically a tea partier/ freedom caucus type, I would say his best equivalent is someone like Tom Cotton/Ted Cruz but he got only 1% of the vote.

[mileslunn]

The most conservative politician in Canada would be classified a hardcore liberal in America. I'm not surprised.

As someone actually from Canada, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Guess he never heard of Bernier.

To be fair, Bernier lost his re-election and his party is basically dead in the water, so whether or not he can even be classified as a "politician" anymore is debatable.

Even Andrew Scheer who ran as the conservative party candidate would be a republican, but mostly a run of the mill establishment type. Bernier is basically a tea partier/ freedom caucus type, I would say his best equivalent is someone like Tom Cotton/Ted Cruz but he got only 1% of the vote.

For our Conservatives, Harper and Scheer on political spectrum would be comparable to Marco Rubio while Erin O'Toole would be more like John Kasich or Arnold Schwarznegger.  That being said for Tories over 40, if you asked them how they voted pre-merger would say a lot.  Most who supported Reform party in 90s are probably hoping for Trump, while most who supported Progressive Conservatives would be cheering for Biden.  PCs would be like Blue Dog Democrats or Rockefeller Republicans while Reform party which dominates present Conservatives more like GOP. 

That being said amongst party membership which is generally more right wing than its voters, I suspect majority are cheering for Trump.  In most recent leadership race, Sloan's voters I suspect are over 80% Trump.  Lewis probably majority Trump, while O'Toole mix but slight edge for Biden on first ballot, but Trump on final as most his gains from Lewis and Sloan.  Most who supported MacKay probably Biden supporters, but I suspect even 30% of his supporters would go for Trump.  Some very right wing Tories supported him simply because they thought he was most electable, not because they agreed with his ideology. 

In most recent leadership, best proxies are:

Sloan - Trump
Lewis - Ted Cruz
O'Toole - John Kasich
MacKay - Lincoln Chaffee

[Saruku]

On the other hand, Trump would win in Russia and North Korea.

"Russians and North Koreans are being oppressed by their evil governments, we have to help them!"

"Stupid Russians and North Koreans would vote for their best buddy, Trump!"

Pick one.

[TopShelfGoal]

There's only two countries in the world I think Trump would win the popular vote against Biden in: Russia and Israel.  Notice the US isn't on this list.

He could win in India.

[mileslunn]

Wonder if Trump would win Slovenia as that is where his wife is from or would general dislike there override this fact?  I know with Obama, Kenya showed much higher support for him than other African countries likely due to his ancestral roots there. 

[Horus]

There's only two countries in the world I think Trump would win the popular vote against Biden in: Russia and Israel.  Notice the US isn't on this list.

He could win in India.

Nigeria as well.

[Bootes Void]

There's only two countries in the world I think Trump would win the popular vote against Biden in: Russia and Israel.  Notice the US isn't on this list.

He could win in India.

Nigeria as well.

Incumbent US presidents are always popular in Africa though I wonder if Trump is? Also I get the impression that outside of the "west", both Biden and Trump could be popular as most presidents usually are

[John Dule]

On the other hand, Trump would win in Russia and North Korea.

"Russians and North Koreans are being oppressed by their evil governments, we have to help them!"

"Stupid Russians and North Koreans would vote for their best buddy, Trump!"

Pick one.

Why are those mutually exclusive?

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

lol I like that conservative party people pick biden over trump 59-41 lol

[mileslunn]

Looking at provincial parties, my guess is amongst UCP, Trump probably has edge especially those still voting UCP.  Maybe of those who voted UCP in 2019, Biden has slight edge, but I would expect of support they've lost to either NDP or Alberta party, most are Biden supporters.  Only those going over to Wexit party probably favour Trump. 

People's Alliance in New Brunswick might have more Trump than Biden but not sure about that.  People's Party of Canada nationally obviously would.  Likewise in BC, BC Conservatives probably have more Trump than Biden as most federal Conservatives in BC who are Biden supporters likely supporting BC Liberals (who despite name are conservative, but less ideological).

Back in January when Doug Ford was rock bottom in approval, I suspect most still supporting PCs were Trump supporters, but due to strong showing in COVID-19, he has gained a lot since so suspect more support Biden despite the fact he supported Trump in 2016.

[Battista Minola 1616]

Wonder if Trump would win Slovenia as that is where his wife is from or would general dislike there override this fact?  I know with Obama, Kenya showed much higher support for him than other African countries likely due to his ancestral roots there.  

I really doubt Slovenians have much affection for Melania Trump.

[jaymichaud]

Lol not surprising, most conservatives I know turn into liberals when Trump comes up.

[Yoda]

More proof we should annex.

This would be so awesome. Admit each of the provinces as new states, which would in all likelihood elect two dem senators each. In addition to DC and Puerto Rico, I can't imagine how dems would ever lose the Senate ever again. Goodbye GOP judges forever. Hello universal healthcare and progressive tax code.

Ah....one can dream.

[Horus]

Lol not surprising, most conservatives I know turn into liberals when Trump comes up.

Sounds like they're genuine conservatives.

[Orwell]

The most conservative politician in Canada would be classified a hardcore liberal in America. I'm not surprised.

As someone actually from Canada, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Guess he never heard of Bernier.

To be fair, Bernier lost his re-election and his party is basically dead in the water, so whether or not he can even be classified as a "politician" anymore is debatable.

He came within like 1% of being elected the leader of one of canada's two major parties

[PeteB]

I am actually of the opinion that if Trump was running in Canada, he could actually win Alberta and Saskatchewan and do very well in BC, Ontario and even Quebec.  He would still lose but there are a lot of "shy" voters in Canada; when the late Rob Ford was winning Toronto, you couldn't find one person in the city who admitted voting for him, but they certainly did!

[Arkansas Yankee]

No surprise

And even in Eastern Europe he wouldn't get more than 30%.

Because Trump is a whole other level of idiocy compared to the right-wing guys they know and support there like Orban or Duda (which they actually like) ...

But I believe Orban and Duda support Trump.

I believe tTrump would run better when he is able to speak to the voters directly..

[Secretary of State Liberal Hack]

Even George W. Bush was nowhere near 10% in Danish polls. I bet Trump would struggle to hit 5% here.

You guys have a great pm btw

Well, it could be a lot worse. She's a strong political performer, but the thing is that she and her party has basically cracked how social democratic parties can regain and retain power in western countries and I feel that this is going to be modelled by social democratic parties all throughout Europe in the upcoming years. That is all good and well, but my problem with it is that their approach is also DEEPLY cynical and populist, bordering on being a "spinocracy", where their entire political platform is basically design to attain power for the sake of power itself. I do recognize that some level of populism is probably needed for the center left to regain the working class voters, but for my money the danish social democrats have taken it a step too far and also a step further than what is actually needed to attain power.

Sorry if this is a bit uncouth of me to say as a non-dane but I find social democrats and other left-winger crowing over how the danish election proves Social democratic parties need to go  right in immigration misleading. Like the social democrats lost votes last election with the center-right gaining the most. Frankly Denmark is more recursion to the mean as voters realize that right-wing populists simply don't have the solutions to the problems they claim rather than some sort of new ground-breaking proof that they need move right on immigration

[jaymichaud]

Lol not surprising, most conservatives I know turn into liberals when Trump comes up.

Sounds like they're genuine conservatives.

Ok?

[BlueSwan]

Even George W. Bush was nowhere near 10% in Danish polls. I bet Trump would struggle to hit 5% here.

You guys have a great pm btw

Well, it could be a lot worse. She's a strong political performer, but the thing is that she and her party has basically cracked how social democratic parties can regain and retain power in western countries and I feel that this is going to be modelled by social democratic parties all throughout Europe in the upcoming years. That is all good and well, but my problem with it is that their approach is also DEEPLY cynical and populist, bordering on being a "spinocracy", where their entire political platform is basically design to attain power for the sake of power itself. I do recognize that some level of populism is probably needed for the center left to regain the working class voters, but for my money the danish social democrats have taken it a step too far and also a step further than what is actually needed to attain power.

Sorry if this is a bit uncouth of me to say as a non-dane but I find social democrats and other left-winger crowing over how the danish election proves Social democratic parties need to go  right in immigration misleading. Like the social democrats lost votes last election with the center-right gaining the most. Frankly Denmark is more recursion to the mean as voters realize that right-wing populists simply don't have the solutions to the problems they claim rather than some sort of new ground-breaking proof that they need move right on immigration

No need to be sorry. I am a dane on an american politics board. I certainly welcome discussion on danish politics.

The thing is this: When the danish social democrats moved hard right on immigration and law & order, they knew what they were doing. You may look at their vote total and be unimpressed, but the point was not voter maximization. The point was gaining back a lot of voters who had abandoned the social democrats in favour of particularly the right wing populist danish peoples party. In doing this they knew they would lose a bunch of their old voters to the other center-left and left wing parties, but that really didn't matter since those parties would all support a soc.dem led government. So the strategy was clearly a succes and continues to be so.

However, I personally feel that they have taken this approach way further than needed and at some point the dam is going to break and the other left wing parties won't stand for it anymore. It's about finding the balance and I personally don't think that balance is particularly difficult to find. Basically, the position should be to have harsh policies to restrict immigration but on the other hand treat the immigrants who are actually here well. The latter is most certainly NOT the path the socdems have taken at the moment and I find it quite infuriating.

[Secretary of State Liberal Hack]

No need to be sorry. I am a dane on an american politics board. I certainly welcome discussion on danish politics.

The thing is this: When the danish social democrats moved hard right on immigration and law & order, they knew what they were doing. You may look at their vote total and be unimpressed, but the point was not voter maximization. The point was gaining back a lot of voters who had abandoned the social democrats in favour of particularly the right wing populist danish peoples party. In doing this they knew they would lose a bunch of their old voters to the other center-left and left wing parties, but that really didn't matter since those parties would all support a soc.dem led government. So the strategy was clearly a succes and continues to be so.

However, I personally feel that they have taken this approach way further than needed and at some point the dam is going to break and the other left wing parties won't stand for it anymore. It's about finding the balance and I personally don't think that balance is particularly difficult to find. Basically, the position should be to have harsh policies to restrict immigration but on the other hand treat the immigrants who are actually here well. The latter is most certainly NOT the path the socdems have taken at the moment and I find it quite infuriating.

I understand that immigration is an issue in Nordic countries that has been chronically mishandled over the last few decades by parties on both the right and left allowing the rise of a far-right being the only voice for those opposed to immigration. Yet fundemtatly these parties platforms go beyond immigration and while voters may have initially moved to them because of immigration they do not remain on the left if they vote for a far-right party. They get locked into a certain media and social sphere which shifts all their views to the right.

They might be economically populist but culturally I don't think they can stomach voting for a left party that doesn't totally abandon any left-wing social policy which the danish social democrats haven't done. We can see this reflected in the election vote-share, the main reason a left coallation was viable were gains by the far-left Socialist party and the pro-immigration liberal party, the DPP collapsed with it's seats mainly going to more centerist right-wing parties.

I think the number of parties of the Danish political system helps mask the problem with left but fundetmatly once memory of the DPP and their failure wears off, the dam will break as you said and the other left-wing parties won't stand for it. Voters will start to move back to the DPP and next election a right-collation will be viable especially as their is no longer any stigma against the DPP being in an election coallation.

[BlueSwan]

No need to be sorry. I am a dane on an american politics board. I certainly welcome discussion on danish politics.

The thing is this: When the danish social democrats moved hard right on immigration and law & order, they knew what they were doing. You may look at their vote total and be unimpressed, but the point was not voter maximization. The point was gaining back a lot of voters who had abandoned the social democrats in favour of particularly the right wing populist danish peoples party. In doing this they knew they would lose a bunch of their old voters to the other center-left and left wing parties, but that really didn't matter since those parties would all support a soc.dem led government. So the strategy was clearly a succes and continues to be so.

However, I personally feel that they have taken this approach way further than needed and at some point the dam is going to break and the other left wing parties won't stand for it anymore. It's about finding the balance and I personally don't think that balance is particularly difficult to find. Basically, the position should be to have harsh policies to restrict immigration but on the other hand treat the immigrants who are actually here well. The latter is most certainly NOT the path the socdems have taken at the moment and I find it quite infuriating.

I understand that immigration is an issue in Nordic countries that has been chronically mishandled over the last few decades by parties on both the right and left allowing the rise of a far-right being the only voice for those opposed to immigration. Yet fundemtatly these parties platforms go beyond immigration and while voters may have initially moved to them because of immigration they do not remain on the left if they vote for a far-right party. They get locked into a certain media and social sphere which shifts all their views to the right.

They might be economically populist but culturally I don't think they can stomach voting for a left party that doesn't totally abandon any left-wing social policy which the danish social democrats haven't done. We can see this reflected in the election vote-share, the main reason a left coallation was viable were gains by the far-left Socialist party and the pro-immigration liberal party, the DPP collapsed with it's seats mainly going to more centerist right-wing parties.

I think the number of parties of the Danish political system helps mask the problem with left but fundetmatly once memory of the DPP and their failure wears off, the dam will break as you said and the other left-wing parties won't stand for it. Voters will start to move back to the DPP and next election a right-collation will be viable especially as their is no longer any stigma against the DPP being in an election coallation.

The thing I think you are overlooking is that the danish peoples party for 20 years had been moving hard left on economic policies, basically trying to position themselves as "social democrats who wants to get rid of the muslims" to put it bluntly. For this reason the social democrats had been bleeding voters to the DPP for years and years. These voters are not right wing and we don't have a right wing media bubble the way that the US does, for instance. These voters are generally in favour of the welfare state and many of them will rather vote for SD with anti-immigration policies than for DPP with social democratic welfare policies, particularly because the DPP aren't very succesful advancing their economic policies while supporting right wing governments, while the social democrats are VERY succesful at advancing their anti-muslim policies while in government because the left wing parties can't do much about it unless they want to actively overturn the government, which they don't.

But we don't really disagree that much, I think. As I said I think there's a limit to how far the SocDems can push this and I personally feel like they have gone way too far already. The supporting parties can't really do much about it at the moment though, but I think the SocDems would be wise to dial it back a notch or two.

But I am impressed with your knowledge about danish politics. Where are you from?

[Horus]

Lol not surprising, most conservatives I know turn into liberals when Trump comes up.

Sounds like they're genuine conservatives.

Ok?

You're not very smart, are you?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

From what little I know of Canadian politics, I am not surprised that Alberta is Trump's best province.

I'm only surprised that it's still a Biden landslide there, tho not a disaster of Atlantean proportions like the rest of Canada.

[jaymichaud]

Lol not surprising, most conservatives I know turn into liberals when Trump comes up.

Sounds like they're genuine conservatives.

Ok?

You're not very smart, are you?

Okay ****