At this point, is the GOP the party of frat boys, edgelords, and rednecks?

[VBM]

From what I’ve seen, it seems like 90+% of modern GOP voters could be described as one of these.

[jdk]

Throw in religious nuts as well and it's spot on

[Bootes Void]

also include racists, religous rightist, conspiracy theorists, multi millionaires and billionaires, uneducated people who made tons of money, cowboys or people who pretend, selfish libertarians. I think that would cover alot

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

No and this impression is falsely created by such people being magnified by the culture war both bases are (largely) caught up in.

[VBM]

also include racists, religous rightist, conspiracy theorists, multi millionaires and billionaires, uneducated people who made tons of money, cowboys or people who pretend, selfish libertarians. I think that would cover alot

Most of these people fall into the categories I listed.

Racists = rednecks
Evangelicals = mostly rednecks
Conspiracy theorists = edgelords
Republican millionaires and billionaires = a lot of them are entitled frat boys who basically got their wealth handed to them, but millionaires and up are a pretty small voting block. Rich uneducated people are a very small voting block
Cowboys = rednecks
Libertarians = frat boys and edgelords

[VBM]

No and this impression is falsely created by such people being magnified by the culture war both bases are (largely) caught up in.

I have not met a decent Trump-voting Republican who can’t be classified as one of these three.  The closest to “decent” is the edgelords who act nice outside of politics, but are unsatisfied with their lives and are secretly jealous of liberals and Democrats, so they vote for Trump to own the libs

[DC Al Fine]

:eyeroll:

[Ferguson97]

Yes, along with those who are in denial and think it's still the party of Reagan

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

No and this impression is falsely created by such people being magnified by the culture war both bases are (largely) caught up in.

I have not met a decent Trump-voting Republican who can’t be classified as one of these three.  

I've met a couple of these (not sure if they're still on board the Trump train but they were in January) and I don't even live in the US, although if you're classifying most rural/small-town folk/"cowboys" as rednecks, I guess they could included. That terminology alone casts a fairly wide net that includes a pretty healthy number of Democrats.

[VBM]

Yes, along with those who are in denial and think it's still the party of Reagan

The sad thing is that Reagan wasn’t even a good president, but he still gets worshipped by half of the nation as if he was a saint. Makes me worry that Republicans will do the same with Trump long after he’s gone, though hopefully him losing in 2020 will spur the party’s view of him by making him look like a “loser”, unlike Reagan

[OSR stands with Israel]

Yes, along with those who are in denial and think it's still the party of Reagan

The sad thing is that Reagan wasn’t even a good president, but he still gets worshipped by half of the nation as if he was a saint. Makes me worry that Republicans will do the same with Trump long after he’s gone, though hopefully him losing in 2020 will spur the party’s view of him by making him look like a “loser”, unlike Reagan

Reagan is ranked in the top 8-12 by almost every list historians do . Reagan is only not a good president if you take a biased liberal policy view when hiding history rather than on whether the presidents were successful at getting their agenda passed , how influential their presidency after they left , and state of nation when they left office vs when they came in .

[VBM]

Yes, along with those who are in denial and think it's still the party of Reagan

The sad thing is that Reagan wasn’t even a good president, but he still gets worshipped by half of the nation as if he was a saint. Makes me worry that Republicans will do the same with Trump long after he’s gone, though hopefully him losing in 2020 will spur the party’s view of him by making him look like a “loser”, unlike Reagan

Reagan is ranked in the top 8-12 by almost every list historians do . Reagan is only not a good president if you take a biased liberal policy view when hiding history rather than on whether the presidents were successful at getting their agenda passed , how influential their presidency after they left , and state of nation when they left office vs when they came in .

Reaganomics was a disaster for this country

[OSR stands with Israel]

Yes, along with those who are in denial and think it's still the party of Reagan

The sad thing is that Reagan wasn’t even a good president, but he still gets worshipped by half of the nation as if he was a saint. Makes me worry that Republicans will do the same with Trump long after he’s gone, though hopefully him losing in 2020 will spur the party’s view of him by making him look like a “loser”, unlike Reagan

Reagan is ranked in the top 8-12 by almost every list historians do . Reagan is only not a good president if you take a biased liberal policy view when hiding history rather than on whether the presidents were successful at getting their agenda passed , how influential their presidency after they left , and state of nation when they left office vs when they came in .

Reaganomics was a disaster for this country

Again a liberal policy opinion , and not how presidents are judged . Tell me why else why would historians(who are mostly liberal) rank him in the top 8-12. The reason is cause they don’t rank the presidents based on their personal political opinions.


As a conservative I think Reaganomics was great for our nation and thanks to Reagan we had the best 18 year period in American history

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Yes, along with those who are in denial and think it's still the party of Reagan

The sad thing is that Reagan wasn’t even a good president, but he still gets worshipped by half of the nation as if he was a saint. Makes me worry that Republicans will do the same with Trump long after he’s gone, though hopefully him losing in 2020 will spur the party’s view of him by making him look like a “loser”, unlike Reagan

Reagan is ranked in the top 8-12 by almost every list historians do . Reagan is only not a good president if you take a biased liberal policy view when hiding history rather than on whether the presidents were successful at getting their agenda passed , how influential their presidency after they left , and state of nation when they left office vs when they came in .

Reaganomics was a disaster for this country

He can hardly avoid all of the blame for the problems that followed but it's not entirely fair to lay 40 years of policy entirely at the feet of the first 8. Problems will emerge in most scenarios where a period of political dominance is stretched out that long and while Reaganomics is now harder to challenge precisely because of the institutional power its advocates have accumulated since the start of the Reagan presidency, there were many previous post-Reagan points at which those with the means and political capital to stop it quite deliberately did not.

In its early years (Reagan's presidency), it was at least a response to popular demands. For the most part, that's been untrue for years (if not decades) now.

[Suburbia]

also include racists, religous rightist, conspiracy theorists, multi millionaires and billionaires, uneducated people who made tons of money, cowboys or people who pretend, selfish libertarians. I think that would cover alot

Staten Island, Long Island, etc.

Which shows that the American Dream is always alive and politicians don't really have anything to do with it.

You can still go to college, have a good education and still not make money as you have expected to.

Arnold grew up to be a dentist. Evelyn became a secretary. They had three children. Andrew was the youngest. Eventually, the family had amassed enough of a nest egg to move from Queens to Oceanside, a Levittown-ish Long Island suburb that is not technically on the ocean. Pollack thrived there.
.....One of Pollack's assets as an activist lies in his entrepreneurial attitude — he is often angling for money, at times to great success — and that instinct was with him from a very young age. He opened his first business in high school.

"Remember Olivia Newton-John in that movie Grease? Back then, those headbands were really in style," Pollack says. "My friend's father owned a material business in Manhattan. Me and my friend used to go take the train into Manhattan when we were in high school, pick up all the surplus material. And then we had women working for us. We would pay them by the dozen. Then we would wholesale [the headbands] around to salons, to stores, to flea markets."

The friend's name was Gregg Marcus. "I think we called [the business] 'Imagination,'" Marcus says. "We used to hustle."

After high school, Pollack tried community college in Sullivan County. That lasted six months. "There was nothing to do," he says. "It was up in the woods." So he came home and did what he knew best: opened another company.

That business, a demolition and rubbish removal operation, was called AP Cleanups. The "AP" stood for Pollack's initials, and for those of his business partner, Andrew Perrotta — another high-school friend. "We're like brothers," Perrotta says. "His family and my family are close."

"We started doing odd jobs," Perrotta says. "That's how it started. We were going around the neighborhood, helping remove branches and trees from people's homes."

(Both friends later encountered legal trouble. Marcus pleaded guilty to federal tax evasion and Perrotta to bank fraud.)

A couple of years later, Pollack moved to New York City and launched another business. "We started buying scrap metals from different towns," he says. "Copper, brass, aluminum — we would clean it, process it, and ship it to people that used it for end products. Steel also. It was in the beginning of the recycling age."

The business took off. "I built up a big company, one of the biggest companies for what I was doing in New York." Pollack's email username was "kingscrap.

People like Andrew Pollack.

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/andrew-pollack-parkland-massacres-conservative-darling-10555773

[Suburbia]

also include racists, religous rightist, conspiracy theorists, multi millionaires and billionaires, uneducated people who made tons of money, cowboys or people who pretend, selfish libertarians. I think that would cover alot

They are the party of cops and firefighters as well, gymrats, etc.

What is the Democratic Party? Women, minorities, angry disaffected Republicans, etc.?

https://patch.com/new-york/hauppauge/nations-largest-back-blue-rally-coming-hauppauge

[Crumpets]

I'd add in a category for Scrooge types, but Scrooges are basically just frat boys 60 years on.

[DrScholl]

Yes, along with those who are in denial and think it's still the party of Reagan

The sad thing is that Reagan wasn’t even a good president, but he still gets worshipped by half of the nation as if he was a saint. Makes me worry that Republicans will do the same with Trump long after he’s gone, though hopefully him losing in 2020 will spur the party’s view of him by making him look like a “loser”, unlike Reagan

Reagan was about nothing but idealism and he was an actor so he had no problem effectively conveying platitudes. It's not often that you hear any of his supporters mention actual policy when it comes to him, it's always about quotes and his image.

[DINGO Joe]

Racists, grifters, and crazies.  If it was a Venn diagram there would be considerable overlap.

[Bootes Void]

also include racists, religous rightist, conspiracy theorists, multi millionaires and billionaires, uneducated people who made tons of money, cowboys or people who pretend, selfish libertarians. I think that would cover alot

They are the party of cops and firefighters as well, gymrats, etc.

What is the Democratic Party? Women, minorities, angry disaffected Republicans, etc.?

https://patch.com/new-york/hauppauge/nations-largest-back-blue-rally-coming-hauppauge

Democrats could be racial minorities( especially those who aren't lighter skinned or "whitewashed"), upper class latte/limousine liberals(feminism, woke culture, environmentalists) lgbt, govt workers, poor people and sing issue voters ( emphasis on health care, gun control, or diplomatic foreign policy).

The traditional swing voting bloc could be the nucleur family in a single family home with young children,but in the trump era they have gone to Democrats  more consistently.

That should cover most of the base as simple as possible

[Averroës Nix]

If threads like this are to be tolerated, they should at least be quarantined where they can be avoided. What an embarrassment to the forum.

[RINO Tom]

I’d love to hear this expert’s analysis on the elite group of people that constitute “Democratic voters.”  Something tells me it’d be less bigoted.

[VBM]

If threads like this are to be tolerated, they should at least be quarantined where they can be avoided. What an embarrassment to the forum.

Your party is an embarrassment to the nation.

[dw93]

Yes, along with those who are in denial and think it's still the party of Reagan

The sad thing is that Reagan wasn’t even a good president, but he still gets worshipped by half of the nation as if he was a saint. Makes me worry that Republicans will do the same with Trump long after he’s gone, though hopefully him losing in 2020 will spur the party’s view of him by making him look like a “loser”, unlike Reagan

Reagan is ranked in the top 8-12 by almost every list historians do . Reagan is only not a good president if you take a biased liberal policy view when hiding history rather than on whether the presidents were successful at getting their agenda passed , how influential their presidency after they left , and state of nation when they left office vs when they came in .

Reaganomics was a disaster for this country

He can hardly avoid all of the blame for the problems that followed but it's not entirely fair to lay 40 years of policy entirely at the feet of the first 8. Problems will emerge in most scenarios where a period of political dominance is stretched out that long and while Reaganomics is now harder to challenge precisely because of the institutional power its advocates have accumulated since the start of the Reagan presidency, there were many previous post-Reagan points at which those with the means and political capital to stop it quite deliberately did not.

In its early years (Reagan's presidency), it was at least a response to popular demands. For the most part, that's been untrue for years (if not decades) now.

Agree and not to mention Carter first got the ball rolling on deregulation and Nixon was the Republican that started pandering to racists with coded language and put the final nail in the coffin when it came to people's faith in their government and institutions with Watergate. It spans further than four decades.

[Adam Griffin]

The fact is that - with the exception of a few blue-collar formerly-Democratic additions - the GOP of 2020 looks just like the GOP of 2004. In terms of actual votes, it's still largely a bunch of overpaid, religious suburban/exurban types who love golf and hate anybody who is different than them.