BLM, Proud Boys stand together at Salt Lake City press conference

[Free Speech Enjoyer]

shua posted this a couple days ago. Thought it was deserving of its own thread.

SALT LAKE CITY (KUTV) — A Salt Lake chapter of the Proud Boys gathered at Washington Square Wednesday night to try and change the narrative that they’re racist.

They appeared with Jacarri Kelley, the leader of Black Lives Matter, Northern Utah. It’s a chapter that’s unaffiliated with Black Lives Matter Utah, headed by Alexis Scott.

“I don’t care what color your skin is, we’re all Americans and we need to find a way to come together instead of divide,” said the local Proud Boys president, a man named Seth who declined to offer his last name.

It’s a line seemingly at odds with an organization that the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League say is a hate group.

“We are in no way, shape or form white supremacists,” said Thad, the group’s chief, who also declined to provide his last name.

The men said their safety is threatened when people believe they are white supremacists.

What they claim to be is “western chauvinists.” What does that mean?

“It means that the west is the best — western civilization is the best. That’s our opinion,” Thad said.

[...]

Seth and Thad dismiss McInnes as simply a provocateur — someone who does outlandish things for clickbait.

Why would they want to be associated with someone like that?

“He’s gone, he’s not part of the organization anymore,” both men said.

The Salt Lake chapter of the group says they’ll continue to link arms with Black Lives Matter, Northern Utah.

“Meeting and talking and having that understanding allowed us to move forward with working together on police reform,” Seth said.

Kelley, who first met the Proud Boys at a protest in Cottonwood Heights, says the partnership is real.

“We do need to be able to reach across the aisle and have these tough conversations,” she said.

KUTV

Not sure what the "western chauvinist movement" is actually standing for without McInnes' involvement, but uh, yeah.

Full video of the press conference can be found in the link.

[Joe Kakistocracy]

"We’re not racist!  We’re proudly xenophobic and sexist, but how dare you say we’re racist!?"

[Mette Frederiksen Stan]

Disgusting. PB should be ashamed.

[Trump Is A Maoist]

People of all races coming together and agreeing that women belong in the kitchen? WOKE!!!

[politics_king]

People of all races coming together and agreeing that women belong in the kitchen? WOKE!!!

That's the next divisive political movement Men against Women. Just read up on the Hotep movement which is extremely homophobic and anti-woman.

[หมูเด้ง]

> Civil Rights Radicals and Nationalists unite on misogyny

> Complains there is too much sexual violence against women and children

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Core Values Of The Proud Boys

Minimal Government
Maximum Freedom
Anti-Political Correctness
Anti-Drug War
Closed Borders
Anti-Racial Guilt
Anti-Racism
Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment)
Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment)
Glorifying the Entrepreneur
Venerating the Housewife
Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism

https://proudboysusa.com/tenets/
(google did a good job hiding this page in the search results)

I don't see an official definition of "Western chauvinism."   Could be thought of as just a more edgy version of something from Niall Ferguson, but one could see how the term might attract people with some ugly xenophobia.  Still, the head of Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, is himself an Afro-Cuban, so it can't be called a white supremacist organization in any rigorous sense.  And one can see where their more libertarian strands could find common cause with some in BLM who are focused on police and criminal justice reform.

[Free Speech Enjoyer]

Core Values Of The Proud Boys

Minimal Government
Maximum Freedom
Anti-Political Correctness
Anti-Drug War
Closed Borders
Anti-Racial Guilt
Anti-Racism
Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment)
Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment)
Glorifying the Entrepreneur
Venerating the Housewife
Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism

https://proudboysusa.com/tenets/
(google did a good job hiding this page in the search results)

I don't see an official definition of "Western chauvinism."   Could be thought of as just a more edgy version of something from Niall Ferguson, but one could see how the term might attract people with some ugly xenophobia.  Still, the head of Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, is himself an Afro-Cuban, so it can't be called a white supremacist organization in any rigorous sense.  And one can see where their more libertarian strands could find common cause with some in BLM who are focused on police and criminal justice reform.

Most of the left would probably agree with the majority of these core values, but "venerating the housewife" and what the Proud Boys, presumably, support mass deportations and Trumpian immigration policies, are definitely not ideas that BLM or the left would support.

[Bootes Void]

Core Values Of The Proud Boys

Minimal Government
Maximum Freedom
Anti-Political Correctness
Anti-Drug War
Closed Borders
Anti-Racial Guilt
Anti-Racism
Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment)
Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment)
Glorifying the Entrepreneur
Venerating the Housewife
Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism

https://proudboysusa.com/tenets/
(google did a good job hiding this page in the search results)

I don't see an official definition of "Western chauvinism."   Could be thought of as just a more edgy version of something from Niall Ferguson, but one could see how the term might attract people with some ugly xenophobia.  Still, the head of Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, is himself an Afro-Cuban, so it can't be called a white supremacist organization in any rigorous sense.  And one can see where their more libertarian strands could find common cause with some in BLM who are focused on police and criminal justice reform.

Most of the left would probably agree with the majority of these core values, but "venerating the housewife" and what the Proud Boys, presumably, support mass deportations and Trumpian immigration policies, are definitely not ideas that BLM or the left would support.

Supporting traditional gender roles arent a unpopular position, i could see this be the culture war in a few years

[Free Speech Enjoyer]

Supporting traditional gender roles arent a unpopular position, i could see this be the culture war in a few years

I... don't see how that's true. Women have been competing in the workforce for decades now, and even outperforming men academically, and there's not going to be a mass movement to force successful women back in the kitchen.

Gender roles are irrelevant outside conservative religious circles and that's not going to change.

[dead0man]

Gender roles are irrelevant outside conservative religious circles and that's not going to change.

tell that to the kids that just can't stop talking about gender.  It seems to be the Most Important Thing in the World^TM to many of them.

[Trump Is A Maoist]

Core Values Of The Proud Boys

Minimal Government
Maximum Freedom
Anti-Political Correctness
Anti-Drug War
Closed Borders
Anti-Racial Guilt
Anti-Racism
Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment)
Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment)
Glorifying the Entrepreneur
Venerating the Housewife
Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism

https://proudboysusa.com/tenets/
(google did a good job hiding this page in the search results)

I don't see an official definition of "Western chauvinism."   Could be thought of as just a more edgy version of something from Niall Ferguson, but one could see how the term might attract people with some ugly xenophobia.  Still, the head of Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, is himself an Afro-Cuban, so it can't be called a white supremacist organization in any rigorous sense.  And one can see where their more libertarian strands could find common cause with some in BLM who are focused on police and criminal justice reform.

Most of the left would probably agree with the majority of these core values, but "venerating the housewife" and what the Proud Boys, presumably, support mass deportations and Trumpian immigration policies, are definitely not ideas that BLM or the left would support.

I mean, there's ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with "venerating rhe house wife", at face value. The problem is that they are using that as coded language.

[25 Abril/Aprile Sempre!]

I mean, there's ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with "venerating rhe house wife", at face value. The problem is that they are using that as coded language.

"Venerating the housewife" sounds pretty bizarre even if taken at face value.

[Horus]

People of all races coming together and agreeing that women belong in the kitchen? WOKE!!!

That's the next divisive political movement Men against Women. Just read up on the Hotep movement which is extremely homophobic and anti-woman.

As a white, gay hotep I'm offended by this post.

[Averroës Nix]

Here's what I don't understand: Why can't these guys just join the Masons or the Knights of Columbus if they're looking for male bonding and community building?

If you believe that traditional western culture is under siege, why do you need to reinvent it under the tackiest possible veneer? It's as if someone appropriated all of the dumbest and most immature aspects of college fraternity culture divorced from anything with that smacks of dignity.

[beaver2.0]

The focus on the proud boys over the last few days takes away from the fact there are a number of white nationalist leaders on camera endorsing Trump and saying his election has emboldened them.

[Devout Centrist]

Here's what I don't understand: Why can't these guys just join the Masons or the Knights of Columbus if they're looking for male bonding and community building?

I mean, if they just wanted to drink with buddies, they would've done that by now.

This is about Making a Statement and that never ends well.

[Santander]

Core Values Of The Proud Boys

Minimal Government
Maximum Freedom
Anti-Political Correctness
Anti-Drug War
Closed Borders
Anti-Racial Guilt
Anti-Racism
Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment)
Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment)
Glorifying the Entrepreneur
Venerating the Housewife
Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism

https://proudboysusa.com/tenets/
(google did a good job hiding this page in the search results)

I don't see an official definition of "Western chauvinism."   Could be thought of as just a more edgy version of something from Niall Ferguson, but one could see how the term might attract people with some ugly xenophobia.  Still, the head of Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, is himself an Afro-Cuban, so it can't be called a white supremacist organization in any rigorous sense.  And one can see where their more libertarian strands could find common cause with some in BLM who are focused on police and criminal justice reform.

Western chauvinism is just another way of saying white nationalism. I would know, because I was once a proponent of the term. And not all white nationalists are white.

[SevenEleven]

People of all races coming together and agreeing that women belong in the kitchen? WOKE!!!

That's the next divisive political movement Men against Women.

Next? It's the oldest and most ingrained divide we have.

[Santander]

People of all races coming together and agreeing that women belong in the kitchen? WOKE!!!

That's the next divisive political movement Men against Women.

Next? It's the oldest and most ingrained divide we have.

It makes Atlas a very harmonious community.

[courts]

People of all races coming together and agreeing that women belong in the kitchen? WOKE!!!

That's the next divisive political movement Men against Women.

Next? It's the oldest and most ingrained divide we have.

It makes Atlas a very harmonious community.

used to be worse

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

Here's what I don't understand: Why can't these guys just join the Masons or the Knights of Columbus if they're looking for male bonding and community building?

If you believe that traditional western culture is under siege, why do you need to reinvent it under the tackiest possible veneer? It's as if someone appropriated all of the dumbest and most immature aspects of college fraternity culture divorced from anything with that smacks of dignity.

They're fascists and want to endorse fascism because they believe that it's good, in spite of whatever they might say about "maximal freedom".

[Former President tack50]

Core Values Of The Proud Boys

Minimal Government
Maximum Freedom
Anti-Political Correctness
Anti-Drug War
Closed Borders
Anti-Racial Guilt
Anti-Racism
Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment)
Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment)
Glorifying the Entrepreneur
Venerating the Housewife
Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism

https://proudboysusa.com/tenets/
(google did a good job hiding this page in the search results)

I don't see an official definition of "Western chauvinism."   Could be thought of as just a more edgy version of something from Niall Ferguson, but one could see how the term might attract people with some ugly xenophobia.  Still, the head of Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, is himself an Afro-Cuban, so it can't be called a white supremacist organization in any rigorous sense.  And one can see where their more libertarian strands could find common cause with some in BLM who are focused on police and criminal justice reform.

Western chauvinism is just another way of saying white nationalism. I would know, because I was once a proponent of the term. And not all white nationalists are white.

Well yeah, but the "honorary aryan" term really only applies to the Japanese and the rest of the WW2 Axis powers

[Meclazine for Israel]

I'm starting a new movement:

CBLM

Cleveland Browns Lives Matter

No longer the laughing stock of the NFL, people have long held prejudices against the Browns which are hurtful and unnecessary.

[Trump Is A Maoist]

I mean, there's ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with "venerating rhe house wife", at face value. The problem is that they are using that as coded language.

"Venerating the housewife" sounds pretty bizarre even if taken at face value.

If you like women who adopt traditional gender roles, there is NOTHING wrong with that. Speaking personally, I like modern women a lot better, but that's just my personal opinion. The problem is when you start making it into a political / social statement. 99% of the time it's not "we support tradition women" (which is perfectly fine), but rather coded language for "we DON'T support non-traditional women".