Trump voters: Can you at least acknowledge Trump's lies surrounding covid?

[Rep Jessica]

Sadly, Trump did what he did. I believe he wanted to maintain the economy and didn't see it worth the economic damage to save a few lives. Think about it, more people would have die from suicides and lives would have been completely destroyed if we've closed our economy for the past 8 months. Our economy certainly would have taken more damage. Trump did what he did as a middle ground and sure people probably did die because of it, but either way it was going to be bad and the otherside of the coin probably would have taken other lives and destroyed many times more.

It's easy to judge the man but its a double edge sword and I believe he did the best he could.

[Badger]

Troll thread.

Coward

[Badger]

The original projections for deaths from COVID-19 was 2 million.  We're at 200,000.  Now that's not a great number, but if a General was told that if he went to war he'd lose 2 million men and he only lost 200.000 he'd be a hero. 

Donald Trump has made mistakes with COVID-19, but he's also done many things right.  He has taken the actions to ensure that we didn't tank the healthcare system.  He cut travel from China which was a crucial and controversial step that even Biden has admitted was correct (although he backtracks on that nowadays).  He has listened to the doctors and scientists, but he has also questioned them.  This is entirely proper; we take into account what experts say, but America is not an expertocracy.  Donald Trump has sought, sincerely and properly, to ensure that Americans are safe while balancing the needs of the healthcare system with the needs of not entirely tanking the economy with lockdowns that serve no purpose other than political expediency. 

I say this as someone who has tested positive for COVID-19 as a 63 year old essential worker and whose wife is a 65 year old cancer survivor who has also tested positive. 

Let's say Trump blurted out early on that "TWO MILLION ARE GOING TO DIE!!!".  Imagine the run on toilet paper and basic supplies then.  Imagine the hoarding.  Imagine the panic while Americans came to grips with resolving the issue of sufficient PPE (which Trump, more than anyone else, resolved).  It would have been the ultimate yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theater.  And the panic would have been stirred further by folks like a number of posters here who would stoke the maximum amount of panic so long as it helped drive Trump from office.

"He cares only about the Stock Market!".  Trump is SUPPOSED to care about that; the Stock Market is a determinant for many seniors.  Their retirement incomes and savings are tied to that.  A friend of mine began a long-planned retirement during COVID-19 around the time the Dow was reaching it's lowest point.  Is the President not supposed to care about people like him?  Is the President not supposed to care about people who, because of lockdowns and restrictions, are losing their livelihoods?  Is the President supposed to do something to alleviate mothers who have to stay home with kids when they economically need to work because their kids' schools.  These people ought to figure in a President's planning in a crisis of magnitude, especially when "the science" suggests that schoolchildren are at virtually no risk for schools opening.

I have watched a coalition of Democratic and Leftist pols and interest groups deliberately pushing policies that will maximize the misery of individual citizens in the name of being "Safer at Home", with the prime motive being to tank the economy and defeat Trump.  The whole lot of these people lambasted business owners demonstrating against lockdowns but were silent about months of protesting by BLM and Antifa.  That right there should have highlighted the fact that none of what they were pushing was about "safety".  (On this left of this forum, only Forumlurker speaks on COVID-19 from only one side of his mouth.)  They also never criticize Andrew Cuomo and Phil Murphy ordering nursing homes to accept COVID-19 patients.

Our President has provided a balanced approach to COVID-19 that I basically approve of.  It's not been perfect, but it's far from indefensible.  The idea that he's done nothing right is ridiculous; he's done much right, and the objective light of history will show this over time.  I'll leave it at that.

"Better to be thought foolish by others, than to open your mouth and prove them right."

[GP270watch]

 Fuzzy starts with lie and then writes an essay based on that lie. The millions number was something that could easily be expected with absolutely no mitigation by the public.

 Plenty of experts had much lower numbers than 2 million, if basic social distancing guidelines were followed. The President's own words:

Trump: If Under 100,000 Americans Die From Coronavirus We've Done A Good Job

How high will it go? As Covid-19 death toll in U.S. blows past 60,000, there are no easy answers

 This article shows how models were projected much lower than what we're at now because they expected public officials and the public to implement and follow simple guidelines.

[Del Tachi]

I would just like to point out that none of the "lies" mentioned by the OP are actually such.

Called it a hoax.  No he didn't, and the Biden ad implying Trump did was "a lie" according to right-wing outfit CNN.   

Saying COVID would be "gone" by Easter.  No, he said he would like to see the nation "opened up" by Easter.   

Discouraging masks and social distancing.  Policy preferences are inherently debatable, so I don't see how this is a lie.

Has held large rallies.  True, but where's "the lie?"  Did Trump deny holding large rallies, lol

Saying the disease is less likely to spread outdoors.  Well, that one's actually demonstrably true if you ask scientists. 

Saying COVID "affects virtually no one" and then getting it.  How is this a lie?  Trump personally getting COVID-19 doesn't somehow make the pandemic any more serious/deadlier than it was before (in a strictly epidemological sense.)
 
OP is just engaging in more liberal screeching about the evil orange man, and simply failing to engage with any critical interpretation of his own biases.  Sensible posters steer clear of these threads for that reason.