Trump voters: Can you at least acknowledge Trump's lies surrounding covid?

[Doomer]

We know back in February that Trump understood this virus was bad, and we know he intentionally lied to the American people about it.

Since then he's called it a hoax, said it would be gone by the spring/Easter/summer (a goalpost that keeps getting moved back), discouraged masks and social distancing, and has held large rallies.  He's on tape saying he isn't worried about contracting the virus at these large gatherings because they're outdoors and he's on stage away from people.  Just a few weeks ago, he said that covid affects virtually no one.

Now he and his wife have it, presumably contracting it from a super-spreader event (SCOTUS nomination).


So my question to Trump supporters is:  Can you even acknowledge that the President has continually and knowingly lied and intentionally misled the public about the danger and severity of this virus?

[Doomer]

::crickets::

[Calthrina950]

::crickets::

I'm obviously not a Trump supporter (and yes, I know that on Atlas, these threads are almost never actually answered by Trump supporters), but I'm going to interject here. I had an argument with Trump supporters over on RRH Elections (which can be found here: https://rrhelections.com/index.php/2020/10/02/weekend-open-thread-for-october-2-4-2020/). As one can see, these people think that CNN (which is not the most reputable outlet, I'll agree) is reporting falsehoods about Trump's current condition, and should not be trusted. Moreover, they seem to think that Trump has done a wonderful job responding to the virus, and when I tried to rebut them, said that I was repeating Democratic talking points. Such an insinuation is disgraceful, given that-as people here well know-I am not a Democrat, and certainly not a staunch progressive.

[Sir Mohamed]

Choose your answers:

"He didn't lie, I he just didn't want to create a panic"

"You guys should relax, some of Trump's comments were just sarcastic / a joke"

"Far more people would have been hurt with a shutdown"

"The virus has just affected 2% of the population, that's virtually nobody"

"People are dying from all sorts of stuff"

"Trump didn't actually lie, he just wanted to be a cheerleader"

"Trump is the biggest patriot ever, he sacrificed himself for the USA by doing rallies and fundraisers while Sleepy Joe sat in his bunker"

"It's the fault of Democrat governors"

"Not Trump rallies, BLM protests were far bigger superspreading events"

[Trump Is A Maoist]

The silence is deafening.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix]

Troll thread.

[politics_king]

I would love to see Trump supporters do their pretzel twisting on this one. Some still think it's a hoax. Like WTF?

[GP270watch]

 Why stop at Covid?

 All Trump does is lie about everything.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

If Trump was lying, he was lying to himself as well.

[Democrat 2028]

Why stop at Covid?

 All Trump does is lie about everything.

[Stranger in a strange land]

Trump didn't say that. If he said it, he didn't mean it. If he meant it, it doesn't matter. If it matters, Bill Clinton or Barack Obama also did something bad.

[Fuzzy Bear]

The original projections for deaths from COVID-19 was 2 million.  We're at 200,000.  Now that's not a great number, but if a General was told that if he went to war he'd lose 2 million men and he only lost 200.000 he'd be a hero. 

Donald Trump has made mistakes with COVID-19, but he's also done many things right.  He has taken the actions to ensure that we didn't tank the healthcare system.  He cut travel from China which was a crucial and controversial step that even Biden has admitted was correct (although he backtracks on that nowadays).  He has listened to the doctors and scientists, but he has also questioned them.  This is entirely proper; we take into account what experts say, but America is not an expertocracy.  Donald Trump has sought, sincerely and properly, to ensure that Americans are safe while balancing the needs of the healthcare system with the needs of not entirely tanking the economy with lockdowns that serve no purpose other than political expediency. 

I say this as someone who has tested positive for COVID-19 as a 63 year old essential worker and whose wife is a 65 year old cancer survivor who has also tested positive. 

Let's say Trump blurted out early on that "TWO MILLION ARE GOING TO DIE!!!".  Imagine the run on toilet paper and basic supplies then.  Imagine the hoarding.  Imagine the panic while Americans came to grips with resolving the issue of sufficient PPE (which Trump, more than anyone else, resolved).  It would have been the ultimate yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theater.  And the panic would have been stirred further by folks like a number of posters here who would stoke the maximum amount of panic so long as it helped drive Trump from office.

"He cares only about the Stock Market!".  Trump is SUPPOSED to care about that; the Stock Market is a determinant for many seniors.  Their retirement incomes and savings are tied to that.  A friend of mine began a long-planned retirement during COVID-19 around the time the Dow was reaching it's lowest point.  Is the President not supposed to care about people like him?  Is the President not supposed to care about people who, because of lockdowns and restrictions, are losing their livelihoods?  Is the President supposed to do something to alleviate mothers who have to stay home with kids when they economically need to work because their kids' schools.  These people ought to figure in a President's planning in a crisis of magnitude, especially when "the science" suggests that schoolchildren are at virtually no risk for schools opening.

I have watched a coalition of Democratic and Leftist pols and interest groups deliberately pushing policies that will maximize the misery of individual citizens in the name of being "Safer at Home", with the prime motive being to tank the economy and defeat Trump.  The whole lot of these people lambasted business owners demonstrating against lockdowns but were silent about months of protesting by BLM and Antifa.  That right there should have highlighted the fact that none of what they were pushing was about "safety".  (On this left of this forum, only Forumlurker speaks on COVID-19 from only one side of his mouth.)  They also never criticize Andrew Cuomo and Phil Murphy ordering nursing homes to accept COVID-19 patients.

Our President has provided a balanced approach to COVID-19 that I basically approve of.  It's not been perfect, but it's far from indefensible.  The idea that he's done nothing right is ridiculous; he's done much right, and the objective light of history will show this over time.  I'll leave it at that.

[Fuzzy Bear]

The silence is deafening.

That comment would be appropriate to subject such as Hunter Biden's corruption, the roles of Obama and Biden being part of a spying operation on Trump's campaign and transition, and the admission that the violence over the past 5 months has been entirely BLM and Antifa.

[redjohn]

The silence is deafening.

That comment would be appropriate to subject such as Hunter Biden's corruption, the roles of Obama and Biden being part of a spying operation on Trump's campaign and transition, and the admission that the violence over the past 5 months has been entirely BLM and Antifa.

Comparing the deaths of 214,000+ Americans to Republican witch-hunts of politicians' children and outlandish conspiracy theories is not only ridiculously out-of-touch, it's delusional. I'm sorry that some Republicans have managed to convince themselves that the leader of the country bears zero responsibility for a crisis he undoubtedly worsened. It's pitiful image of leadership and, if successful, will contribute to even less accountability for American leadership. I hope that's not what you want.

[Fuzzy Bear]

The silence is deafening.

That comment would be appropriate to subject such as Hunter Biden's corruption, the roles of Obama and Biden being part of a spying operation on Trump's campaign and transition, and the admission that the violence over the past 5 months has been entirely BLM and Antifa.

Comparing the deaths of 214,000+ Americans to Republican witch-hunts of politicians' children and outlandish conspiracy theories is not only ridiculously out-of-touch, it's delusional. I'm sorry that some Republicans have managed to convince themselves that the leader of the country bears zero responsibility for a crisis he undoubtedly worsened. It's pitiful image of leadership and, if successful, will contribute to even less accountability for American leadership. I hope that's not what you want.

If Hunter Biden is such a witch hunt, why can't Joe be questioned on that?

Trump's handling of COVID-19 will be judged by history.  Right now it's being judged by an activist media whose desire to drive him from office predated COVID-19.

[Horus]

The silence is deafening.

That comment would be appropriate to subject such as Hunter Biden's corruption, the roles of Obama and Biden being part of a spying operation on Trump's campaign and transition, and the admission that the violence over the past 5 months has been entirely BLM and Antifa.

Comparing the deaths of 214,000+ Americans to Republican witch-hunts of politicians' children and outlandish conspiracy theories is not only ridiculously out-of-touch, it's delusional. I'm sorry that some Republicans have managed to convince themselves that the leader of the country bears zero responsibility for a crisis he undoubtedly worsened. It's pitiful image of leadership and, if successful, will contribute to even less accountability for American leadership. I hope that's not what you want.

If Hunter Biden is such a witch hunt, why can't Joe be questioned on that?

Trump's handling of COVID-19 will be judged by history.  Right now it's being judged by an activist media whose desire to drive him from office predated COVID-19.

If the media really didn't want him in office they would've ignored him like they did Ron Paul, Andrew Yang and Bernie '16.

[redjohn]

The silence is deafening.

That comment would be appropriate to subject such as Hunter Biden's corruption, the roles of Obama and Biden being part of a spying operation on Trump's campaign and transition, and the admission that the violence over the past 5 months has been entirely BLM and Antifa.

Comparing the deaths of 214,000+ Americans to Republican witch-hunts of politicians' children and outlandish conspiracy theories is not only ridiculously out-of-touch, it's delusional. I'm sorry that some Republicans have managed to convince themselves that the leader of the country bears zero responsibility for a crisis he undoubtedly worsened. It's pitiful image of leadership and, if successful, will contribute to even less accountability for American leadership. I hope that's not what you want.

If Hunter Biden is such a witch hunt, why can't Joe be questioned on that?

Trump's handling of COVID-19 will be judged by history.  Right now it's being judged by an activist media whose desire to drive him from office predated COVID-19.

And Mao's Cultural Revolution was judged by an activist media. Just admit the truth doesn't matter.

[Ferguson97]

The original projections for deaths from COVID-19 was 2 million.  We're at 200,000.  Now that's not a great number, but if a General was told that if he went to war he'd lose 2 million men and he only lost 200.000 he'd be a hero.  

The "war" isn't over yet, Fuzzy.

[Fuzzy Bear]

The original projections for deaths from COVID-19 was 2 million.  We're at 200,000.  Now that's not a great number, but if a General was told that if he went to war he'd lose 2 million men and he only lost 200.000 he'd be a hero.  

The "war" isn't over yet, Fuzzy.

Neither is the war on the unborn.

[Ferguson97]

The original projections for deaths from COVID-19 was 2 million.  We're at 200,000.  Now that's not a great number, but if a General was told that if he went to war he'd lose 2 million men and he only lost 200.000 he'd be a hero.  

The "war" isn't over yet, Fuzzy.

Neither is the war on the unborn.

What does abortion have to do with this?

You know you don't have a good argument, so you're changing the subject.

[Horus]

The original projections for deaths from COVID-19 was 2 million.  We're at 200,000.  Now that's not a great number, but if a General was told that if he went to war he'd lose 2 million men and he only lost 200.000 he'd be a hero.  

The "war" isn't over yet, Fuzzy.

Neither is the war on the unborn.

Blue avatars love using abortion as an out to support all kinds of morally detestable people and policies.

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

Fox news is an arm of the R party, we all know this and Cohen and Larry Kudlow and Eric and Don Jr are tied with Sean Hannity and they believe the economy and how the rich are doing with the stock market all that matters. That's why they want to pass a payroll tax cuts should Trump get reelected. But, since Trump flubbed the debate, Fox news hasn't broadcasted that tax cut so openly. I watch Fox news when I get fed up with Ds

[R.P. McM]

The original projections for deaths from COVID-19 was 2 million.  We're at 200,000.  Now that's not a great number, but if a General was told that if he went to war he'd lose 2 million men and he only lost 200.000 he'd be a hero.  

The "war" isn't over yet, Fuzzy.

Neither is the war on the unborn.

Blue avatars love using abortion as an out to support all kinds of morally detestable people and policies.

Since at least the 1970's: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133

But they don't mean a word of it. As you noted, it's just a convenient excuse. TN is the most heavily evangelical state. How many abortions does Scott DesJarlais have to pressure his wives/mistresses into procuring before the "good" people of TN see fit to find another congressman? You would've thought recordings of DesJarlais advocating abortion would've done the trick, but WHITE POWER! is a helluvah drug.

[Hindsight was 2020]

The original projections for deaths from COVID-19 was 2 million.  We're at 200,000.  Now that's not a great number, but if a General was told that if he went to war he'd lose 2 million men and he only lost 200.000 he'd be a hero.  

The "war" isn't over yet, Fuzzy.

Neither is the war on the unborn.

That is just a pathetic attempt at derailing the conversation because you have no good point even by your infamous standards

[politics_king]

The original projections for deaths from COVID-19 was 2 million.  We're at 200,000.  Now that's not a great number, but if a General was told that if he went to war he'd lose 2 million men and he only lost 200.000 he'd be a hero.  

The "war" isn't over yet, Fuzzy.

Neither is the war on the unborn.

That is such an oxymoron of a statement. "We're having a war about people who are not born!" Say that statement out loud enough times to realize how ridiculous you sound.