Whats the point of having Democrats in congress who vote like Republicans whenever it matters?
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« on: October 01, 2020, 06:54:59 PM »

Why should the DCCC even support them? Not like they really substantially add to the majority.
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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2020, 07:10:47 PM »

So that Pelosi and Schumer are the congressional leaders and they, rather than McConnell, can decide which bills come to the floor. Do you have a specific example in mind though?
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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2020, 07:14:00 PM »

So that Pelosi and Schumer are the congressional leaders and they, rather than McConnell, can decide which bills come to the floor. Do you have a specific example in mind though?
Today on the covid package. Nearly failed but 10 Republicans miraculously didn’t show up. 16 defections though. And remember a lot of them didn’t vote for Pelosi anyway.
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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2020, 07:22:02 PM »

So that Pelosi and Schumer are the congressional leaders and they, rather than McConnell, can decide which bills come to the floor. Do you have a specific example in mind though?
Today on the covid package. Nearly failed but 10 Republicans miraculously didn’t show up. 16 defections though. And remember a lot of them didn’t vote for Pelosi anyway.

It wasn't a miracle. They voted that way because Pelosi is the best vote counter in the game. She knew ten Republicans were absent so she gave permission to enough vulnerable Democrats to vote no. If more Republicans showed up she would've got the votes from as many as necessary.

This happens all the time. Pelosi knows what she's doing, she doesn't bring bills to the floor unless she knows they're passing.
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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2020, 07:22:23 PM »

Unemployment isn't UBI benefits it's becoming the UBI benefits, due to the Recession, those benefits won't last forever and are scheduled to end March, 2021
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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2020, 07:29:53 PM »

So that Pelosi and Schumer are the congressional leaders and they, rather than McConnell, can decide which bills come to the floor. Do you have a specific example in mind though?
Today on the covid package. Nearly failed but 10 Republicans miraculously didn’t show up. 16 defections though. And remember a lot of them didn’t vote for Pelosi anyway.

It wasn't a miracle. They voted that way because Pelosi is the best vote counter in the game. She knew ten Republicans were absent so she gave permission to enough vulnerable Democrats to vote no. If more Republicans showed up she would've got the votes from as many as necessary.

This happens all the time. Pelosi knows what she's doing, she doesn't bring bills to the floor unless she knows they're passing.

When people complain about Nancy being too old or being a neoliberal shill or something else, I just direct them to that old LBJ quote,

"If you can't walk into a room and know within five minutes who's with you and who's not, you don't belong in politics."
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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2020, 08:07:12 PM »

Why should the DCCC even support them? Not like they really substantially add to the majority.

Because they guarantee that we have a majority
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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2020, 09:38:07 PM »

Good cop bad cop routine.
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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2020, 12:03:59 AM »

So that Pelosi and Schumer are the congressional leaders and they, rather than McConnell, can decide which bills come to the floor. Do you have a specific example in mind though?
Today on the covid package. Nearly failed but 10 Republicans miraculously didn’t show up. 16 defections though. And remember a lot of them didn’t vote for Pelosi anyway.

The Senate & Trump weren't going to pass it anyway.  It was all for show.  Those who voted against wanted to work on a deal that would actually be enacted.
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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2020, 01:49:57 AM »
« Edited: October 02, 2020, 01:54:37 AM by TML »

The reason this happens is because Democratic leaders like Pelosi, Hoyer, Schumer, Reid (back when he was in office), etc., are more concerned about fundraising, and thus the candidates they support are those who they perceive to be most effective at fundraising (regardless of source), regardless of their political ideology.

However, I do wish these people would heed the following words of wisdom from a historical Democratic President:

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I've seen it happen time after time. When the Democratic candidate allows himself to be put on the defensive and starts apologizing for the New Deal and the Fair Deal, and says he really doesn't believe in them, he is sure to lose. The people don't want a phony Democrat. If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don't want any phony Democratic candidates in this campaign.

But when a Democratic candidate goes out and explains what the New Deal and fair Deal really are--when he stands up like a man and puts the issues before the people--then Democrats can win, even in places where they have never won before. It has been proven time and again.
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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2020, 12:06:08 PM »

Personally, I can't recall a single instance where a Democrat voted against there party where it truly mattered since Joe Lieberman single-handedly screwed the public option.
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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2020, 02:45:15 PM »

So that Pelosi and Schumer are the congressional leaders and they, rather than McConnell, can decide which bills come to the floor. Do you have a specific example in mind though?
Today on the covid package. Nearly failed but 10 Republicans miraculously didn’t show up. 16 defections though. And remember a lot of them didn’t vote for Pelosi anyway.

It wasn't a miracle. They voted that way because Pelosi is the best vote counter in the game. She knew ten Republicans were absent so she gave permission to enough vulnerable Democrats to vote no. If more Republicans showed up she would've got the votes from as many as necessary.

This happens all the time. Pelosi knows what she's doing, she doesn't bring bills to the floor unless she knows they're passing.

In other words, engineering its failure.
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2020, 03:48:52 PM »

So that Pelosi and Schumer are the congressional leaders and they, rather than McConnell, can decide which bills come to the floor. Do you have a specific example in mind though?
Today on the covid package. Nearly failed but 10 Republicans miraculously didn’t show up. 16 defections though. And remember a lot of them didn’t vote for Pelosi anyway.

It wasn't a miracle. They voted that way because Pelosi is the best vote counter in the game. She knew ten Republicans were absent so she gave permission to enough vulnerable Democrats to vote no. If more Republicans showed up she would've got the votes from as many as necessary.

This happens all the time. Pelosi knows what she's doing, she doesn't bring bills to the floor unless she knows they're passing.

In other words, engineering its failure.

It passed. Huh
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