Is China headed towards becoming the biggest pariah state?
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Question: China's future in international affairs
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Overtakes the US as the top superpower
 
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Doesn't overtake the US but becomes the main ally of countries currently aligned with the US
 
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Stays the same
 
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Loses allies and gets slapped with sanctions over HK, Xinjiang and Covid
 
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Full pariah like Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, Syria, Belarus and Cuba
 
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« on: October 01, 2020, 12:25:18 PM »

For years China has tried to become stronger economically and militarily as a way to become more powerful in international affairs. That gave them a larger seat in the table but that strategy has already reached its ceiling. They hoped Trump's "America first" approach would lead to defections in the US camp but actually the US have their allies under their leash more than they did 4 years ago. Especially because Trump started holding american allies more accountable and demanding stronger support for the US.

Opinions of China started to take a negative turn initially over Xinjiang concentration camps but particularly took a nosedive after their repression against Honk Kong. But covid was the final nail in the coffin. Now the average Joe who doesn't pay attention to international affairs but got his life screwed because of the pandemic has started to fully hate China because of them being the ones where it all started. The US isn't the only country where a big part of the masses believes covid was created on a chinese lab as a biological weapon. Many believe China created the virus. In the US it's been particularly bad, in the past years Americans had a slightly more unfavorable view of China than favorable (used to be around 40-50 with 10% undecided) now it's 3:1 unfavorable. In many countries, people don't want to take the chinese vaccine being tested, pushing towards the Oxford and J&J vaccines made in the west instead, scared of it causing some type of reaction on their bodies.

China doesn't have real allies aside from pariah states like Venezuela and Belarus and these regimes are all cornered with them running out of steam. Is China heading towards being the biggest pariah of them all?
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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2020, 01:10:33 PM »

it really all depends on what Winnie the Pooh does.  Nobody wants a war, but Pooh keeps futzing around against multiple different countries, many of them alone could cause headaches for the PRC, yet Pooh's actions push them closer together.

I think they're headed to full pariah (and would be there already if it wasn't for the money and making a lot of our cheap sh**t).
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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2020, 01:49:16 PM »

You are never a pariah as long as you have vassals.
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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2020, 02:31:08 PM »

If the only parts of the world that matter are NATO, Japan, etc. (which does seem to be the case in this instance, judging by your cartoonishly Western-centric account), then perhaps.
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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2020, 03:24:31 PM »

If Atlas existed in the late 1800’s: “Is the US about to become the World’s next pariah state?”
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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2020, 07:04:11 PM »

In the sense that world powers are inherently resented.
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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2020, 08:27:49 PM »

Somewhere between options 3 and 4, but remains extremely close behind the US as a superpower for a long time.
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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2020, 12:17:38 AM »

They'll take Taiwan in the next 15 years (quite possibly 2024). Two week war on the island, followed by a few months of expensive naval battles in the Pacific. There's a roughly 80% chance they win, followed by which they attain hegemony over East Asia and large parts of Africa. America's defeat probably ends the dollar as the global reserve currency, too, which means we might melt down fully.
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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2020, 12:37:30 PM »

Maybe
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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2020, 08:26:02 PM »

No.  They have been overplaying their hand, but not so much as to become a pariah.  War over Taiwan is only likely if the ROC attempts to declare themselves no longer a part of China, so leave that for a Tom Clancy fantasy, one of his later books where he kept being jumped by sharks.  Sadly, Tom Clancy is an excellent example of an author ruined by success.
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2020, 05:47:33 AM »

Somewhere between options 3 and 4, but remains extremely close behind the US as a superpower for a long time.
A mix of those two is likely. It is hard to be taken seriously as a full superpower if you have alienated too many countries and you are scared of a cartoon character.
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