I wish cigarette smokers, marijuana smokers, and vapers didn’t blame each other for intrusive laws

[Adam Griffin]

Looking forward to hearing about the future $11/hr cashier job at CVS, which is virtually all that a poli-sci degree alone will get you these days sans actual political involvement. It's literally the most worthless degree financially-speaking on the face of the planet.

Good thing I'm going to law school next year then!

I'm sure!

[Adam Griffin]

Literally have never seen this anywhere in the real world or online, so I just assume you're spending time in weird niches.

Also, don't mind the Authoritarians of Atlas who will inevitably respond! Most well-educated teenage and 20-something virgins who don't know how to have fun have never experimented with any of these substances.

There are ways to have fun that don’t include tobacco and marijuana.

Yeah, for people who have lots of money to do other things and no mental health issues. For the rest of America, though...

That’s what big tobacco wants you to think so that they can continue to murder vulnerable Americans with their product.

If you don't understand why vast swathes of people smoke besides long-banned tobacco company ads, I don't know what I could possibly say to you on the matter that'd be worth my time.

[Zohranism is OUR future]

Literally have never seen this anywhere in the real world or online, so I just assume you're spending time in weird niches.

Also, don't mind the Authoritarians of Atlas who will inevitably respond! Most well-educated teenage and 20-something virgins who don't know how to have fun have never experimented with any of these substances.

There are ways to have fun that don’t include tobacco and marijuana.

Yeah, for people who have lots of money to do other things and no mental health issues. For the rest of America, though...

That’s what big tobacco wants you to think so that they can continue to murder vulnerable Americans with their product.

And big marijuana here in CO. They are a growing presence each year.

[The Righteous Tip of the Abundance Spear]

dude is trying to associate substance use with intrinsic human value and financial potential

You started this when you said that people who don't abuse substances in their teens are "virgins." Sounds an awful lot to me like a high school dropout trying desperately to cope with the fact that he wasted the best years of his life in a haze of marijuana smoke and Fritos.

[Zohranism is OUR future]

Literally have never seen this anywhere in the real world or online, so I just assume you're spending time in weird niches.

Also, don't mind the Authoritarians of Atlas who will inevitably respond! Most well-educated teenage and 20-something virgins who don't know how to have fun have never experimented with any of these substances.

There are ways to have fun that don’t include tobacco and marijuana.

Yeah, for people who have lots of money to do other things and no mental health issues. For the rest of America, though...

That’s what big tobacco wants you to think so that they can continue to murder vulnerable Americans with their product.

If you don't understand why vast swathes of people smoke besides long-banned tobacco company ads, I don't know what I could possibly say to you on the matter that'd be worth my time.

Imagine unironically supporting a business model which preys off of the vulnerable and throws them into poverty.

[Adam Griffin]

dude is trying to associate substance use with intrinsic human value and financial potential

You started this when you said that people who don't abuse substances in their teens are "virgins." Sounds an awful lot to me like a high school dropout trying desperately to cope with the fact that he wasted the best years of his life in a haze of marijuana smoke and Fritos.

Nah, I said people who are going to actively vocalize their whininess to those substances are virgins. Pretty big difference, but nevertheless must've hit a sore spot!

[Adam Griffin]

Literally have never seen this anywhere in the real world or online, so I just assume you're spending time in weird niches.

Also, don't mind the Authoritarians of Atlas who will inevitably respond! Most well-educated teenage and 20-something virgins who don't know how to have fun have never experimented with any of these substances.

There are ways to have fun that don’t include tobacco and marijuana.

Yeah, for people who have lots of money to do other things and no mental health issues. For the rest of America, though...

That’s what big tobacco wants you to think so that they can continue to murder vulnerable Americans with their product.

If you don't understand why vast swathes of people smoke besides long-banned tobacco company ads, I don't know what I could possibly say to you on the matter that'd be worth my time.

Imagine unironically supporting a business model which preys off of the vulnerable and throws them into poverty.

Imagine thinking cigarettes are more of a leading indicator of poverty rather than a lagging one. People who want to proactively engage in forms of authoritarianism on this matter are just using yet another convenient excuse to hate on and judge poor and working people.

[Boobs]

As everyone knows, even smoking a cigarette or ingesting marijuana once in your life (even if you don’t inhale!) dooms you to a life of misery and poverty, and never accomplishing anything!


Vapists should go to prison tho.

[The Righteous Tip of the Abundance Spear]

dude is trying to associate substance use with intrinsic human value and financial potential

You started this when you said that people who don't abuse substances in their teens are "virgins." Sounds an awful lot to me like a high school dropout trying desperately to cope with the fact that he wasted the best years of his life in a haze of marijuana smoke and Fritos.

Nah, I said people who are going to actively vocalize their whininess to those substances are virgins. Pretty big difference, but nevertheless must've hit a sore spot!

Keep coping, stoner. Your memories of leaving women unsatisfied with semi-conscious bouts of delirious inebriated bathroom stall sex will undoubtedly keep you happy and sedated as you fade into a lifetime of obscurity.

[Alcibiades]

Literally have never seen this anywhere in the real world or online, so I just assume you're spending time in weird niches.

Also, don't mind the Authoritarians of Atlas who will inevitably respond! Most well-educated teenage and 20-something virgins who don't know how to have fun have never experimented with any of these substances.

There are ways to have fun that don’t include tobacco and marijuana.

Yeah, for people who have lots of money to do other things and no mental health issues. For the rest of America, though...

That’s what big tobacco wants you to think so that they can continue to murder vulnerable Americans with their product.

If you don't understand why vast swathes of people smoke besides long-banned tobacco company ads, I don't know what I could possibly say to you on the matter that'd be worth my time.

If you don’t understand how tobacco companies have and continue to systematically exploit people of all demographics by preying on vulnerabilities present throughout the population, I don’t know what I could possibly say to you on the matter that’d be worth my time.

[The Righteous Tip of the Abundance Spear]

Literally have never seen this anywhere in the real world or online, so I just assume you're spending time in weird niches.

Also, don't mind the Authoritarians of Atlas who will inevitably respond! Most well-educated teenage and 20-something virgins who don't know how to have fun have never experimented with any of these substances.

There are ways to have fun that don’t include tobacco and marijuana.

Yeah, for people who have lots of money to do other things and no mental health issues. For the rest of America, though...

That’s what big tobacco wants you to think so that they can continue to murder vulnerable Americans with their product.

If you don't understand why vast swathes of people smoke besides long-banned tobacco company ads, I don't know what I could possibly say to you on the matter that'd be worth my time.

If you don’t understand how tobacco companies have and continue to systematically exploit people of all demographics by preying on vulnerabilities present throughout the population, I don’t know what I could possibly say to you on the matter that’d be worth my time.

No, Griff is absolutely right. By championing the proliferation of a drug that leads to birth defects, lung cancer, and high medical bills, he is truly on the side of the working poor.

[Adam Griffin]

dude is trying to associate substance use with intrinsic human value and financial potential

You started this when you said that people who don't abuse substances in their teens are "virgins." Sounds an awful lot to me like a high school dropout trying desperately to cope with the fact that he wasted the best years of his life in a haze of marijuana smoke and Fritos.

Nah, I said people who are going to actively vocalize their whininess to those substances are virgins. Pretty big difference, but nevertheless must've hit a sore spot!

Keep coping, stoner. Your memories of leaving women unsatisfied with semi-conscious bouts of delirious inebriated bathroom stall sex will undoubtedly keep you happy and sedated as you fade into a lifetime of obscurity.

I'm actually a gay man, but even that's better than being a poser - though I'm glad to see that a 20 year-old POLI-SCI PRE-LAW MAJOR edited his bio after the fact to exclude his own commentary about not voting in the 2020 election because he no longer believes in democracy because it's a bunch of nonsense.

[Adam Griffin]

Literally have never seen this anywhere in the real world or online, so I just assume you're spending time in weird niches.

Also, don't mind the Authoritarians of Atlas who will inevitably respond! Most well-educated teenage and 20-something virgins who don't know how to have fun have never experimented with any of these substances.

There are ways to have fun that don’t include tobacco and marijuana.

Yeah, for people who have lots of money to do other things and no mental health issues. For the rest of America, though...

That’s what big tobacco wants you to think so that they can continue to murder vulnerable Americans with their product.

If you don't understand why vast swathes of people smoke besides long-banned tobacco company ads, I don't know what I could possibly say to you on the matter that'd be worth my time.

If you don’t understand how tobacco companies have and continue to systematically exploit people of all demographics by preying on vulnerabilities present throughout the population, I don’t know what I could possibly say to you on the matter that’d be worth my time.

Of course they do, but it's not your choice to tell others what to do with their own bodies - nor that of any of the other authoritarians (whether they're masquerading as "freedom lovers" or not) ranting in this thread as predicted.

[Zohranism is OUR future]

As everyone knows, even smoking a cigarette or ingesting marijuana once in your life (even if you don’t inhale!) dooms you to a life of misery and poverty, and never accomplishing anything!


Vapists should go to prison tho.

Keep misinterpreting my positions, I love to see it.

[The Righteous Tip of the Abundance Spear]

exclude his own commentary about not voting in the 2020 election because he no longer believes in democracy because it's a bunch of nonsense.

I altered that because I decided to vote for Biden after all. But I still think democracy is immoral, so I suppose I should leave that there.

[Omega21]

dude is trying to associate substance use with intrinsic human value and financial potential

You started this when you said that people who don't abuse substances in their teens are "virgins." Sounds an awful lot to me like a high school dropout trying desperately to cope with the fact that he wasted the best years of his life in a haze of marijuana smoke and Fritos.

Nah, I said people who are going to actively vocalize their whininess to those substances are virgins. Pretty big difference, but nevertheless must've hit a sore spot!

Keep coping, stoner. Your memories of leaving women unsatisfied with semi-conscious bouts of delirious inebriated bathroom stall sex will undoubtedly keep you happy and sedated as you fade into a lifetime of obscurity.

This went from 0 to 60 way too fast, I love it! lol

[Zohranism is OUR future]

Literally have never seen this anywhere in the real world or online, so I just assume you're spending time in weird niches.

Also, don't mind the Authoritarians of Atlas who will inevitably respond! Most well-educated teenage and 20-something virgins who don't know how to have fun have never experimented with any of these substances.

There are ways to have fun that don’t include tobacco and marijuana.

Yeah, for people who have lots of money to do other things and no mental health issues. For the rest of America, though...

That’s what big tobacco wants you to think so that they can continue to murder vulnerable Americans with their product.

If you don't understand why vast swathes of people smoke besides long-banned tobacco company ads, I don't know what I could possibly say to you on the matter that'd be worth my time.

If you don’t understand how tobacco companies have and continue to systematically exploit people of all demographics by preying on vulnerabilities present throughout the population, I don’t know what I could possibly say to you on the matter that’d be worth my time.

Of course they do, but it's not your choice to tell others what to do with their own bodies - nor that of any of the other authoritarians (whether they're masquerading as "freedom lovers" or not) ranting in this thread as predicted.

Do you seriously think Dule is a closet-authoritarian?
If so, you are literally insane.

[Boobs]

As everyone knows, even smoking a cigarette or ingesting marijuana once in your life (even if you don’t inhale!) dooms you to a life of misery and poverty, and never accomplishing anything!


Vapists should go to prison tho.

Keep misinterpreting my positions, I love to see it.

I don’t even read your posts. Bless your heart.

[Alcibiades]

Literally have never seen this anywhere in the real world or online, so I just assume you're spending time in weird niches.

Also, don't mind the Authoritarians of Atlas who will inevitably respond! Most well-educated teenage and 20-something virgins who don't know how to have fun have never experimented with any of these substances.

There are ways to have fun that don’t include tobacco and marijuana.

Yeah, for people who have lots of money to do other things and no mental health issues. For the rest of America, though...

That’s what big tobacco wants you to think so that they can continue to murder vulnerable Americans with their product.

If you don't understand why vast swathes of people smoke besides long-banned tobacco company ads, I don't know what I could possibly say to you on the matter that'd be worth my time.

If you don’t understand how tobacco companies have and continue to systematically exploit people of all demographics by preying on vulnerabilities present throughout the population, I don’t know what I could possibly say to you on the matter that’d be worth my time.

Of course they do, but it's not your choice to tell others what to do with their own bodies - nor that of any of the other authoritarians (whether they're masquerading as "freedom lovers" or not) ranting in this thread as predicted.

I’m not claiming it is, and you and everyone else have the right to smoke. But I make no apologies for wishing to see tobacco use reduced to the lowest level possible through ‘soft’ policies. The massive reduction in smoking over the past 50 years is one of Western’s society's greatest success stories in that period and a fantastic example of the power of an active, engaged government to help solve social ills.

[The Righteous Tip of the Abundance Spear]

Of course they do, but it's not your choice to tell others what to do with their own bodies - nor that of any of the other authoritarians (whether they're masquerading as "freedom lovers" or not) ranting in this thread as predicted.

I don't think most of the people in this thread are trying to tell others what they can and can't do with their bodies. The consensus seems to be that smoking is bad for you and should be discouraged, but it is ultimately up to the individual to decide what to do.

[Adam Griffin]

Literally have never seen this anywhere in the real world or online, so I just assume you're spending time in weird niches.

Also, don't mind the Authoritarians of Atlas who will inevitably respond! Most well-educated teenage and 20-something virgins who don't know how to have fun have never experimented with any of these substances.

There are ways to have fun that don’t include tobacco and marijuana.

Yeah, for people who have lots of money to do other things and no mental health issues. For the rest of America, though...

That’s what big tobacco wants you to think so that they can continue to murder vulnerable Americans with their product.

If you don't understand why vast swathes of people smoke besides long-banned tobacco company ads, I don't know what I could possibly say to you on the matter that'd be worth my time.

If you don’t understand how tobacco companies have and continue to systematically exploit people of all demographics by preying on vulnerabilities present throughout the population, I don’t know what I could possibly say to you on the matter that’d be worth my time.

Of course they do, but it's not your choice to tell others what to do with their own bodies - nor that of any of the other authoritarians (whether they're masquerading as "freedom lovers" or not) ranting in this thread as predicted.

Do you seriously think Dule is a closet-authoritarian?
If so, you are literally insane.

He's literally admitted that democracy shouldn't exist, so...

[Zohranism is OUR future]

Literally have never seen this anywhere in the real world or online, so I just assume you're spending time in weird niches.

Also, don't mind the Authoritarians of Atlas who will inevitably respond! Most well-educated teenage and 20-something virgins who don't know how to have fun have never experimented with any of these substances.

There are ways to have fun that don’t include tobacco and marijuana.

Yeah, for people who have lots of money to do other things and no mental health issues. For the rest of America, though...

That’s what big tobacco wants you to think so that they can continue to murder vulnerable Americans with their product.

If you don't understand why vast swathes of people smoke besides long-banned tobacco company ads, I don't know what I could possibly say to you on the matter that'd be worth my time.

If you don’t understand how tobacco companies have and continue to systematically exploit people of all demographics by preying on vulnerabilities present throughout the population, I don’t know what I could possibly say to you on the matter that’d be worth my time.

Of course they do, but it's not your choice to tell others what to do with their own bodies - nor that of any of the other authoritarians (whether they're masquerading as "freedom lovers" or not) ranting in this thread as predicted.

If you want universal healthcare and a strong social safety net, what other people do with their bodies does influence society as a whole, especially with regards to drug use.
There should be strong increases in tobacco taxes, we should rival Australia in tobacco tax rates and vapes should only be allowed with a prescription.

[Hollywood]

Vape pens completely changed the equation for me.  You can take a few puffs out of the pen, and receive enough nicotine to feed your itch. So I agree with those people that want to eliminate cigarettes.  There’s just no reason to allow people to smoke cigarettes when there’s a demonstrably better option without the numerous health hazards associated with cigarettes.  The only studies showing really significant issues with vape is the ones that put rats in a gas chamber for an hour.   Duh!!! 

The only issue I see with vapes is that underage morons try to smoke a whole pen, or start putting other substances not meant for the cartridge. 

[The Righteous Tip of the Abundance Spear]

He's literally admitted that democracy shouldn't exist, so...

I object to democracy because it's too authoritarian, not because it isn't authoritarian enough.

[Adam Griffin]

Of course they do, but it's not your choice to tell others what to do with their own bodies - nor that of any of the other authoritarians (whether they're masquerading as "freedom lovers" or not) ranting in this thread as predicted.

I’m not claiming it is, and you and everyone else have the right to smoke. But I make no apologies for wishing to see tobacco use reduced to the lowest level possible through ‘soft’ policies. The massive reduction in smoking over the past 50 years is one of Western’s society's greatest success stories in that period and a fantastic example of the power of an active, engaged government to help solve social ills.

I haven't touched a cigarette in ages (ditto for anything marijuana-related), but I am still going to stand up for individual liberties on this front and not look down my nose at people who choose to use them.