Subjects where you diverge from your ideology

[AGA]

TikTok should have been banned.

[SWE]

The US can be a force for good, at least potentially. Hating it for its current state is a bizarrely essentialist position.

This shows a complete misunderstanding of the reasons of why much of the left are so dogmatically anti-American.

It reminds me of people saying, "Like it or leave it." I don't hate America because it's a bad place to live compared to the rest of the world - nearly the exact opposite, actually.

i dislike america, i just think that if it had a socialist government one way or the other it would be nonsensical to continue doing so.

The important thing is that we end settler colonialism. You can't just drop a few kibbutzes in Israel and call it left-wing, for example. For this country to become a force for good we would have to stop looking at ourselves as a part of the West and live up to our claims as a truly internationalist project, become a democracy, and battle neo-colonialism around the world. Then and only then will we be able to criticize nations like China without being major hypocrites. Whether neocon or neoliberal, unilateral or multilateral, the West is still enforcing its supremacy whether by assaulting those nations we disagree with or starving out their people via sanction. Then we turn around and call the suffering we created an example of why their system "doesn't work".

GlobeSoc, that's a fundamental misunderstanding of anti-Americanism. It would be silly to hate some land or a group of people for no reason. The idea is that this country would have to become unrecognizable in order to be good. None of the documents or iconography of the American Revolution or the Civil War should be transferred over to the new government. I'm a history guy, I love studying that stuff, but a leftist understands that positive change in this country has always come when the grassroots/civilian level forces the establishment to act. There are no "good guys" in American political history as liberals and some American "leftists" seem to think. Lincoln wanted to deport the slaves to Africa and make this country a white ethno-state, for example, which is why the "leftists" that propose "Marxism-Leninism-Lincolnism" or synthesizing American patriotism with left-wing ideals are a joke. I recognize that Hawkins wouldn't be able to change anything if elected in some weird alternate universe where that was possible, but I support his ideas.

Not trying to start a rumble with anyone btw, just clarifying.

This isn't true. While Lincoln was in favor in assisting voluntary emigration of former slaves, he was firmly against deportation and even ordered his military to assist in returning African-Americans that he found out were deported against their wills

[Agonized-Statism]

The US can be a force for good, at least potentially. Hating it for its current state is a bizarrely essentialist position.

This shows a complete misunderstanding of the reasons of why much of the left are so dogmatically anti-American.

It reminds me of people saying, "Like it or leave it." I don't hate America because it's a bad place to live compared to the rest of the world - nearly the exact opposite, actually.

i dislike america, i just think that if it had a socialist government one way or the other it would be nonsensical to continue doing so.

The important thing is that we end settler colonialism. You can't just drop a few kibbutzes in Israel and call it left-wing, for example. For this country to become a force for good we would have to stop looking at ourselves as a part of the West and live up to our claims as a truly internationalist project, become a democracy, and battle neo-colonialism around the world. Then and only then will we be able to criticize nations like China without being major hypocrites. Whether neocon or neoliberal, unilateral or multilateral, the West is still enforcing its supremacy whether by assaulting those nations we disagree with or starving out their people via sanction. Then we turn around and call the suffering we created an example of why their system "doesn't work".

GlobeSoc, that's a fundamental misunderstanding of anti-Americanism. It would be silly to hate some land or a group of people for no reason. The idea is that this country would have to become unrecognizable in order to be good. None of the documents or iconography of the American Revolution or the Civil War should be transferred over to the new government. I'm a history guy, I love studying that stuff, but a leftist understands that positive change in this country has always come when the grassroots/civilian level forces the establishment to act. There are no "good guys" in American political history as liberals and some American "leftists" seem to think. Lincoln wanted to deport the slaves to Africa and make this country a white ethno-state, for example, which is why the "leftists" that propose "Marxism-Leninism-Lincolnism" or synthesizing American patriotism with left-wing ideals are a joke. I recognize that Hawkins wouldn't be able to change anything if elected in some weird alternate universe where that was possible, but I support his ideas.

Not trying to start a rumble with anyone btw, just clarifying.

This isn't true. While Lincoln was in favor in assisting voluntary emigration of former slaves, he was firmly against deportation and even ordered his military to assist in returning African-Americans that he found out were deported against their wills

I concede that we will never know exactly what Lincoln would have done had he been in office to build the post-Civil War society, but the fact that he had long supported the colonization option as well as his earlier support for white supremacy calls into question what path he would have taken in the tense environment of Reconstruction. On Lincoln's white supremacy, don't take my word for it: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-lincoln-racism-equality-oppose/

Regardless, given the facts provided above, this man is not a hero. A leftist venerating Lincoln would be like a Congolese communist celebrating the colonizer who was nicer to him than King Leopold. And if you're going to do that, change your maroon icon to a red one.

Feel free to send me a PM or start another topic and link me to it if you want to continue.