Opinion of abortion and cannabis

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

This is the most reductionist poll I've ever seen on here.

How so?

Because there is a wide array of possible policy preferences on abortion, and I guess on cannabis too.

Eh, I'm ok with forcing people to choose a side on this one. The most obnoxious people in the abortion debate, to me, are the ones who waffle over how many weeks the limit should be placed at. Or worse, the people who say "I'm against abortion except in cases of rape or incest." I don't have a ton of interest in this whole debate, but for God's sake, be consistent.

The rape/incest exception is justified by the right to self-defense.

Not really. The only moral justification for banning abortion is that a fetus is a human being. That isn't affected by how abhorrent the circumstances were that caused that fetus to come into existence. What the reticence in cases of rape or incest betrays is doubt by most people who propose to ban abortion as to whether the unborn are human beings.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

This is the most reductionist poll I've ever seen on here.

How so?

Because there is a wide array of possible policy preferences on abortion, and I guess on cannabis too.

Eh, I'm ok with forcing people to choose a side on this one. The most obnoxious people in the abortion debate, to me, are the ones who waffle over how many weeks the limit should be placed at. Or worse, the people who say "I'm against abortion except in cases of rape or incest." I don't have a ton of interest in this whole debate, but for God's sake, be consistent.

The rape/incest exception is justified by the right to self-defense.

Not really. The only moral justification for banning abortion is that a fetus is a human being. That isn't affected by how abhorrent the circumstances were that caused that fetus to come into existence. What the reticence in cases of rape or incest betrays is doubt by most people who propose to ban abortion as to whether the unborn are human beings.

The right to self-defense extends to situations where the "attacker" is not culpable.

You have a very strange definition of "attacker". If anything, the fetus in such a situation is a co-victim along with eir mother.  By the way, just to be clear, I think abortion should should be legal through at least the first trimester but once whatever point at which abortion is limited is reached, I don't think either rape or incest should be cause for exceptions.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Since we are here, could someone please explain to me the premise of the "incest" exception?

Generally, incest involves a situation where the girl was pressured and/or tricked into sex, thus making it rape, but a form that the victim is typically unwilling to allege rape.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Since we are here, could someone please explain to me the premise of the "incest" exception?

Generally, incest involves a situation where the girl was pressured and/or tricked into sex, thus making it rape, but a form that the victim is typically unwilling to allege rape.

Oh well. Why can't just the "rape" exception be construed to cover these cases also?

The idea is to keep the victim from having to assert rape was involved.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Since we are here, could someone please explain to me the premise of the "incest" exception?

Generally, incest involves a situation where the girl was pressured and/or tricked into sex, thus making it rape, but a form that the victim is typically unwilling to allege rape.

Oh well. Why can't just the "rape" exception be construed to cover these cases also?

The idea is to keep the victim from having to assert rape was involved.

Mmh... ok

For the record, just like Dule, Nathan, and you, I don't think either exception should exist.

However, if there is a rape exception, I do think it's a good idea to also have the incest exception.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Both should be illegal, though I care about one a lot more than the other

Which one?