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Question: Opinion of abortion and cannabis
#1
abortion should be legal, cannabis should be legal
 
#2
abortion should be illegal, cannabis should be illegal
 
#3
abortion should be legal, cannabis should be illegal
 
#4
abortion should be illegal, cannabis should be legal
 
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Santander
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« on: September 27, 2020, 04:28:49 PM »

Pro-choice (not pro-abortion), and anti-marijuana.
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Santander
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2020, 04:30:40 PM »


Because there is a wide array of possible policy preferences on abortion, and I guess on cannabis too.

Eh, I'm ok with forcing people to choose a side on this one. The most obnoxious people in the abortion debate, to me, are the ones who waffle over how many weeks the limit should be placed at. Or worse, the people who say "I'm against abortion except in cases of rape or incest." I don't have a ton of interest in this whole debate, but for God's sake, be consistent.

The rape/incest exception is justified by the right to self-defense.
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Santander
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2020, 09:20:50 PM »


Because there is a wide array of possible policy preferences on abortion, and I guess on cannabis too.

Eh, I'm ok with forcing people to choose a side on this one. The most obnoxious people in the abortion debate, to me, are the ones who waffle over how many weeks the limit should be placed at. Or worse, the people who say "I'm against abortion except in cases of rape or incest." I don't have a ton of interest in this whole debate, but for God's sake, be consistent.

The rape/incest exception is justified by the right to self-defense.

I'm familiar with this line of thinking, but it only makes sense if you accept the "tacit consent" premise, which I find to be misogynistic. If you don't accept that premise, there's not any other reason why pregnancy from rape constitutes being attacked but pregnancy from consensual sex that wasn't intended to result in pregnancy doesn't.

To my mind, the correct application of the self-defense doctrine to abortion exemptions is in the case of abortion for maternal health.

Is it truly consent if you don't also acknowledge the potential consequences?
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Santander
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Posts: 27,923
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E: 4.00, S: 2.61


« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2020, 11:27:05 PM »


Because there is a wide array of possible policy preferences on abortion, and I guess on cannabis too.

Eh, I'm ok with forcing people to choose a side on this one. The most obnoxious people in the abortion debate, to me, are the ones who waffle over how many weeks the limit should be placed at. Or worse, the people who say "I'm against abortion except in cases of rape or incest." I don't have a ton of interest in this whole debate, but for God's sake, be consistent.

The rape/incest exception is justified by the right to self-defense.

Not really. The only moral justification for banning abortion is that a fetus is a human being. That isn't affected by how abhorrent the circumstances were that caused that fetus to come into existence. What the reticence in cases of rape or incest betrays is doubt by most people who propose to ban abortion as to whether the unborn are human beings.

The right to self-defense extends to situations where the "attacker" is not culpable.
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