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Question: Opinion of abortion and cannabis
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abortion should be legal, cannabis should be legal
 
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abortion should be illegal, cannabis should be illegal
 
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abortion should be legal, cannabis should be illegal
 
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abortion should be illegal, cannabis should be legal
 
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« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2020, 11:47:19 PM »


Because there is a wide array of possible policy preferences on abortion, and I guess on cannabis too.

Eh, I'm ok with forcing people to choose a side on this one. The most obnoxious people in the abortion debate, to me, are the ones who waffle over how many weeks the limit should be placed at. Or worse, the people who say "I'm against abortion except in cases of rape or incest." I don't have a ton of interest in this whole debate, but for God's sake, be consistent.

The rape/incest exception is justified by the right to self-defense.

Not really. The only moral justification for banning abortion is that a fetus is a human being. That isn't affected by how abhorrent the circumstances were that caused that fetus to come into existence. What the reticence in cases of rape or incest betrays is doubt by most people who propose to ban abortion as to whether the unborn are human beings.

The right to self-defense extends to situations where the "attacker" is not culpable.

You have a very strange definition of "attacker". If anything, the fetus in such a situation is a co-victim along with eir mother.  By the way, just to be clear, I think abortion should should be legal through at least the first trimester but once whatever point at which abortion is limited is reached, I don't think either rape or incest should be cause for exceptions.
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« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2020, 12:48:15 AM »

Since we are here, could someone please explain to me the premise of the "incest" exception?
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« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2020, 01:15:11 AM »

Both should be fully legalized.
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« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2020, 01:24:40 AM »

Since we are here, could someone please explain to me the premise of the "incest" exception?

Generally, incest involves a situation where the girl was pressured and/or tricked into sex, thus making it rape, but a form that the victim is typically unwilling to allege rape.
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« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2020, 01:27:32 AM »

Since we are here, could someone please explain to me the premise of the "incest" exception?

Generally, incest involves a situation where the girl was pressured and/or tricked into sex, thus making it rape, but a form that the victim is typically unwilling to allege rape.

Oh well. Why can't just the "rape" exception be construed to cover these cases also?
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« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2020, 01:29:37 AM »

Since we are here, could someone please explain to me the premise of the "incest" exception?

Generally, incest involves a situation where the girl was pressured and/or tricked into sex, thus making it rape, but a form that the victim is typically unwilling to allege rape.

Oh well. Why can't just the "rape" exception be construed to cover these cases also?

The idea is to keep the victim from having to assert rape was involved.
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« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2020, 01:33:55 AM »

Since we are here, could someone please explain to me the premise of the "incest" exception?

Generally, incest involves a situation where the girl was pressured and/or tricked into sex, thus making it rape, but a form that the victim is typically unwilling to allege rape.

Oh well. Why can't just the "rape" exception be construed to cover these cases also?

The idea is to keep the victim from having to assert rape was involved.

Mmh... ok

For the record, just like Dule, Nathan, and you, I don't think either exception should exist.
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« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2020, 02:49:59 AM »

Since we are here, could someone please explain to me the premise of the "incest" exception?

Generally, incest involves a situation where the girl was pressured and/or tricked into sex, thus making it rape, but a form that the victim is typically unwilling to allege rape.

Oh well. Why can't just the "rape" exception be construed to cover these cases also?

The idea is to keep the victim from having to assert rape was involved.

Mmh... ok

For the record, just like Dule, Nathan, and you, I don't think either exception should exist.

However, if there is a rape exception, I do think it's a good idea to also have the incest exception.
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« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2020, 03:14:03 AM »

Pro-choice (not pro-abortion), and anti-marijuana.
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« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2020, 10:35:22 AM »

Abortion - Pro-choice as an "end result" but have a lot more problems with the rhetoric of many pro-choice extremists than I do with pro-life extremists, usually ... abortion should be viewed as an objectively unfortunate thing to happen; I just think it's a tough decision that should eventually be entirely up to the mother (with exceptions in place for late-term abortions, which are rather indefensible at a certain point, IMO).

Cannabis - In favor of legalization with no restrictions, though I find stoners' bizarre fascination with attacking alcohol's prevalence in society to be not only annoying (get a life, you weirdos) but also incredibly tactically stupid (you're trashing the very people you need the support of).
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« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2020, 10:36:38 PM »

Abortion should be illegal or nearly so.  Cannabis should be legal for medical reasons and to grow it yourself for personal use, not sure beyond that.
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« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2020, 10:45:02 PM »

     Option two.
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« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2020, 10:52:50 PM »

Both should be illegal, though I care about one a lot more than the other
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« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2020, 11:38:29 PM »

I don’t personally like either one, but I’m “pro-choice” for both.
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« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2020, 07:25:40 AM »

Both should be illegal, though I care about one a lot more than the other

Which one?  Tongue
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