Did the US just become ...

[Tender Branson]

Yes, sadly.

The Christian forces are advancing in the country right now, at the worst possible time.

[Tender Branson]

A picture for the history books:

"Supporters of Judge Amy Coney Barrett prayed on Saturday in front of the doors of the Supreme Court as Jacquelyn Booth, center, lay on the marble portico mourning the death of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg."

[politicallefty]

When you've been backed into a corner, there's really no place else to go. If Democrats are unwilling to expand the Supreme Court, they should just pack up and go home. We have literally nothing to lose by adding new Justices. As much as we have a written Constitution to live by, we also live by norms and traditions. With those norms and traditions having been completely broken down by one side, there is no reason why the other side should still try to live by said norms and traditions. I will refrain from answering this question until/unless a Biden Presidency and a unified Democratic Congress has the opportunity to respond.

[Tender Branson]

When you've been backed into a corner, there's really no place else to go. If Democrats are unwilling to expand the Supreme Court, they should just pack up and go home. We have literally nothing to lose by adding new Justices. As much as we have a written Constitution to live by, we also live by norms and traditions. With those norms and traditions having been completely broken down by one side, there is no reason why the other side should still try to live by said norms and traditions. I will refrain from answering this question until/unless a Biden Presidency and a unified Democratic Congress has the opportunity to respond.

Dems should definitely try to expand to 12 judges.

But only if they win the election big.

Which is exactly not certain.

The current situation is exactly the thing that will give the Trump crowd the needed boost to win this election for them. Evangelicals who were previously sceptical of supporting Trump again will now come out in hordes to vote for him.

Because, if anything, Americans turn to religion and an incumbent force they know, in times of a pandemic and crisis like this ...

[OSR stands with Israel]

Lmao no , to say so is beyond absurd

[politicallefty]

When you've been backed into a corner, there's really no place else to go. If Democrats are unwilling to expand the Supreme Court, they should just pack up and go home. We have literally nothing to lose by adding new Justices. As much as we have a written Constitution to live by, we also live by norms and traditions. With those norms and traditions having been completely broken down by one side, there is no reason why the other side should still try to live by said norms and traditions. I will refrain from answering this question until/unless a Biden Presidency and a unified Democratic Congress has the opportunity to respond.

Dems should definitely try to expand to 12 judges.

But only if they win the election big.

Which is exactly not certain.

The current situation is exactly the thing that will give the Trump crowd the needed boost to win this election for them. Evangelicals who were previously sceptical of supporting Trump again will now come out in hordes to vote for him.

Because, if anything, Americans turn to religion and an incumbent force they know, in times of a pandemic and crisis like this ...

No, I think if we have the power, we should add some new states and go for 15 Justices and have President Biden fill them all in short order. They have broken the norms and declared war on the left. Their war has been stifled by the fact that we control the People's House, the House of Representatives. To be honest, if Democrats don't see the dire need for action quickly, I'm hoping Roe v. Wade is quickly overruled. Sometimes a hard lesson is required to learn and respond.

Lmao no , to say so is beyond absurd

I'm not surprised you would say that. You have no problem showing off the party label of a party that apparently only stands for incurring misery upon the American people.

[OSR stands with Israel]

When you've been backed into a corner, there's really no place else to go. If Democrats are unwilling to expand the Supreme Court, they should just pack up and go home. We have literally nothing to lose by adding new Justices. As much as we have a written Constitution to live by, we also live by norms and traditions. With those norms and traditions having been completely broken down by one side, there is no reason why the other side should still try to live by said norms and traditions. I will refrain from answering this question until/unless a Biden Presidency and a unified Democratic Congress has the opportunity to respond.

Dems should definitely try to expand to 12 judges.

But only if they win the election big.

Which is exactly not certain.

The current situation is exactly the thing that will give the Trump crowd the needed boost to win this election for them. Evangelicals who were previously sceptical of supporting Trump again will now come out in hordes to vote for him.

Because, if anything, Americans turn to religion and an incumbent force they know, in times of a pandemic and crisis like this ...

No, I think if we have the power, we should add some new states and go for 15 Justices and have President Biden fill them all in short order. They have broken the norms and declared war on the left. Their war has been stifled by the fact that we control the People's House, the House of Representatives. To be honest, if Democrats don't see the dire need for action quickly, I'm hoping Roe v. Wade is quickly overruled. Sometimes a hard lesson is required to learn and respond.

Lmao no , to say so is beyond absurd

I'm not surprised you would say that. You have no problem showing off the party label of a party that apparently only stands for incurring misery upon the American people.

Hopefully republicans keep the senate in 2020 to stop the democrats from passing their absolute insane plans and yes court packing is beyond insane and it would show the democrats are just as much of a threat to our institutions as Trump is .


Please don’t act like you have the higher moral ground again because you don’t , if you are arguing for this crap

[Tender Branson]

When you've been backed into a corner, there's really no place else to go. If Democrats are unwilling to expand the Supreme Court, they should just pack up and go home. We have literally nothing to lose by adding new Justices. As much as we have a written Constitution to live by, we also live by norms and traditions. With those norms and traditions having been completely broken down by one side, there is no reason why the other side should still try to live by said norms and traditions. I will refrain from answering this question until/unless a Biden Presidency and a unified Democratic Congress has the opportunity to respond.

Dems should definitely try to expand to 12 judges.

But only if they win the election big.

Which is exactly not certain.

The current situation is exactly the thing that will give the Trump crowd the needed boost to win this election for them. Evangelicals who were previously sceptical of supporting Trump again will now come out in hordes to vote for him.

Because, if anything, Americans turn to religion and an incumbent force they know, in times of a pandemic and crisis like this ...

No, I think if we have the power, we should add some new states and go for 15 Justices and have President Biden fill them all in short order. They have broken the norms and declared war on the left. Their war has been stifled by the fact that we control the People's House, the House of Representatives. To be honest, if Democrats don't see the dire need for action quickly, I'm hoping Roe v. Wade is quickly overruled. Sometimes a hard lesson is required to learn and respond.

Lmao no , to say so is beyond absurd

I'm not surprised you would say that. You have no problem showing off the party label of a party that apparently only stands for incurring misery upon the American people.

Hopefully republicans keep the senate in 2020 to stop the democrats from passing their absolute insane plans and yes court packing is beyond insane and it would show the democrats are just as much of a threat to our institutions as Trump is .


Please don’t act like you have the higher moral ground again because you don’t , if you are arguing for this crap

If Democrats theoretically win a large majority in the election, they have all rights to expand the Court to 12 or 13.

It's called checks and balances, so that you Republicans don't force your extremist agenda down the throats of Americans.

[OSR stands with Israel]

When you've been backed into a corner, there's really no place else to go. If Democrats are unwilling to expand the Supreme Court, they should just pack up and go home. We have literally nothing to lose by adding new Justices. As much as we have a written Constitution to live by, we also live by norms and traditions. With those norms and traditions having been completely broken down by one side, there is no reason why the other side should still try to live by said norms and traditions. I will refrain from answering this question until/unless a Biden Presidency and a unified Democratic Congress has the opportunity to respond.

Dems should definitely try to expand to 12 judges.

But only if they win the election big.

Which is exactly not certain.

The current situation is exactly the thing that will give the Trump crowd the needed boost to win this election for them. Evangelicals who were previously sceptical of supporting Trump again will now come out in hordes to vote for him.

Because, if anything, Americans turn to religion and an incumbent force they know, in times of a pandemic and crisis like this ...

No, I think if we have the power, we should add some new states and go for 15 Justices and have President Biden fill them all in short order. They have broken the norms and declared war on the left. Their war has been stifled by the fact that we control the People's House, the House of Representatives. To be honest, if Democrats don't see the dire need for action quickly, I'm hoping Roe v. Wade is quickly overruled. Sometimes a hard lesson is required to learn and respond.

Lmao no , to say so is beyond absurd

I'm not surprised you would say that. You have no problem showing off the party label of a party that apparently only stands for incurring misery upon the American people.

Hopefully republicans keep the senate in 2020 to stop the democrats from passing their absolute insane plans and yes court packing is beyond insane and it would show the democrats are just as much of a threat to our institutions as Trump is .


Please don’t act like you have the higher moral ground again because you don’t , if you are arguing for this crap

If Democrats theoretically win a large majority in the election, they have all rights to expand the Court to 12 or 13.

It's called checks and balances, so that you Republicans don't force your extremist agenda down the throats of Americans.

Then next time Republicans get a trifecta we can increase it to 21 , so yah if the court gets expanded the judiciary will be destroyed forever and yes  and it will prove that the democrats just like Trump are against our institutions . Also Lol at extremist agenda when once again court packing again is far far more extreme then anything the Republicans have done.

[Wakie77]

Yes it did.  And if you want to “blame” someone look no further than the Bernie Bro’s who sat out the 2016 election.

[Trump Is A Maoist]

Dems should definitely try to expand to 12 judges.

An odd numbers works MUCH MUCH better than even numbers because it prevents ties. Expand to 11 or 13 judges.

[หมูเด้ง]

When you've been backed into a corner, there's really no place else to go. If Democrats are unwilling to expand the Supreme Court, they should just pack up and go home. We have literally nothing to lose by adding new Justices. As much as we have a written Constitution to live by, we also live by norms and traditions. With those norms and traditions having been completely broken down by one side, there is no reason why the other side should still try to live by said norms and traditions. I will refrain from answering this question until/unless a Biden Presidency and a unified Democratic Congress has the opportunity to respond.

Dems should definitely try to expand to 12 judges.

But only if they win the election big.

Which is exactly not certain.

The current situation is exactly the thing that will give the Trump crowd the needed boost to win this election for them. Evangelicals who were previously sceptical of supporting Trump again will now come out in hordes to vote for him.

Because, if anything, Americans turn to religion and an incumbent force they know, in times of a pandemic and crisis like this ...

No, I think if we have the power, we should add some new states and go for 15 Justices and have President Biden fill them all in short order. They have broken the norms and declared war on the left. Their war has been stifled by the fact that we control the People's House, the House of Representatives. To be honest, if Democrats don't see the dire need for action quickly, I'm hoping Roe v. Wade is quickly overruled. Sometimes a hard lesson is required to learn and respond.

Lmao no , to say so is beyond absurd

I'm not surprised you would say that. You have no problem showing off the party label of a party that apparently only stands for incurring misery upon the American people.

Hopefully republicans keep the senate in 2020 to stop the democrats from passing their absolute insane plans and yes court packing is beyond insane and it would show the democrats are just as much of a threat to our institutions as Trump is .


Please don’t act like you have the higher moral ground again because you don’t , if you are arguing for this crap

If Democrats theoretically win a large majority in the election, they have all rights to expand the Court to 12 or 13.

It's called checks and balances, so that you Republicans don't force your extremist agenda down the throats of Americans.

Then next time Republicans get a trifecta we can increase it to 21 , so yah if the court gets expanded the judiciary will be destroyed forever and yes  and it will prove that the democrats just like Trump are against our institutions . Also Lol at extremist agenda when once again court packing again is far far more extreme then anything the Republicans have done.

I’m personally hoping this is the way we get another constitutional convention. We need one.
Else, eventually what OP is talking could eventually happen. The silver lining is that tried it there, they got tired of crap like this and they don’t finks with it anymore unless they are in really desperate countries.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

No, we are preventing a Unitarian theocracy.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I wonder what triggered this thread.

We are a religious people whose institutions presuppose a Supreme Being. We guarantee the freedom to worship as one chooses. We make room for as wide a variety of beliefs and creeds as the spiritual needs of man deem necessary. We sponsor an attitude on the part of government that shows no partiality to any one group and that lets each flourish according to the zeal of its adherents and the appeal of its dogma. When the state encourages religious instruction or cooperates with religious authorities by adjusting the schedule of public events to sectarian needs, it follows the best of our traditions. For it then respects the religious nature of our people and accommodates the public service to their spiritual needs. To hold that it may not would be to find in the Constitution a requirement that the government show a callous indifference to religious groups. That would be preferring those who believe in no religion over those who do believe (emphasis added).

Many people here want preference for unbelievers over believers.  I would mention that Zorach is still the law of the land; it has not been affirmatively overruled.

We are a religious people.  Those amongst us who believe will, indeed, express ourselves in the public square.  We will, indeed, cast our votes for like-minded souls.  Those folks will, indeed, be influenced by their own beliefs as they craft secular public policy.  Deal with it.  You have the right to do the same, but you don't have the right to preempt other people's right to elect whom they choose, even when those people are religious conservatives.  Don't like it?  Develop some tolerance or leave the country.  Religious folks have the same rights as non-religious folks to enter into the public sphere, driven by what they believe, with the goal of helping to craft secular public policy.  It's Too Bad On Your Birthday if you don't like that.  If the very presence of religious conservatives in public office and the public square is so unbearable to you, that's a statement about your level of tolerance.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

I’m personally hoping this is the way we get another constitutional convention. We need one.

You're seriously willing to risk that?

[C r a b c a k e]

When you've been backed into a corner, there's really no place else to go. If Democrats are unwilling to expand the Supreme Court, they should just pack up and go home. We have literally nothing to lose by adding new Justices. As much as we have a written Constitution to live by, we also live by norms and traditions. With those norms and traditions having been completely broken down by one side, there is no reason why the other side should still try to live by said norms and traditions. I will refrain from answering this question until/unless a Biden Presidency and a unified Democratic Congress has the opportunity to respond.

Dems should definitely try to expand to 12 judges.

But only if they win the election big.

Which is exactly not certain.

The current situation is exactly the thing that will give the Trump crowd the needed boost to win this election for them. Evangelicals who were previously sceptical of supporting Trump again will now come out in hordes to vote for him.

Because, if anything, Americans turn to religion and an incumbent force they know, in times of a pandemic and crisis like this ...

No, I think if we have the power, we should add some new states and go for 15 Justices and have President Biden fill them all in short order. They have broken the norms and declared war on the left. Their war has been stifled by the fact that we control the People's House, the House of Representatives. To be honest, if Democrats don't see the dire need for action quickly, I'm hoping Roe v. Wade is quickly overruled. Sometimes a hard lesson is required to learn and respond.

Lmao no , to say so is beyond absurd

I'm not surprised you would say that. You have no problem showing off the party label of a party that apparently only stands for incurring misery upon the American people.

Hopefully republicans keep the senate in 2020 to stop the democrats from passing their absolute insane plans and yes court packing is beyond insane and it would show the democrats are just as much of a threat to our institutions as Trump is .


Please don’t act like you have the higher moral ground again because you don’t , if you are arguing for this crap

If Democrats theoretically win a large majority in the election, they have all rights to expand the Court to 12 or 13.

It's called checks and balances, so that you Republicans don't force your extremist agenda down the throats of Americans.

Then next time Republicans get a trifecta we can increase it to 21 , so yah if the court gets expanded the judiciary will be destroyed forever and yes  and it will prove that the democrats just like Trump are against our institutions . Also Lol at extremist agenda when once again court packing again is far far more extreme then anything the Republicans have done.

I’m personally hoping this is the way we get another constitutional convention. We need one.
Else, eventually what OP is talking could eventually happen. The silver lining is that tried it there, they got tired of crap like this and they don’t finks with it anymore unless they are in really desperate countries.

No matter how bad the constitution is now, the hacks in the current Congress can only create a much worse one - imagine some gop apparatchik hacking at civil rights constitutionally?

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Yes it did.  And if you want to “blame” someone look no further than the Bernie Bro’s who sat out the 2016 election.

Incredible. Democrats are about to secure a trifecta and if the US somehow does become a "theocracy" anyway (a 6-3 court would not mean this, FWIW), you will be fixated on blaming the loudest critics of their prioritisation of institutionalism over concrete political goals.

[Zohranism is OUR future]

No, if we do descend into a dictatorship, it would look more like Hungary.

[The DEI Hire]

The most hilarious thing about this post are the 11 people who unironically voted yes.

[Chief Justice PiT]

     No, that is preposterous. If she became the president you could conceivably make a case that this was true, but even then you would still be clearly wrong. The United States isn't a theocracy and it is embarrassing to imply that it is even close to being one.

[หมูเด้ง]

When you've been backed into a corner, there's really no place else to go. If Democrats are unwilling to expand the Supreme Court, they should just pack up and go home. We have literally nothing to lose by adding new Justices. As much as we have a written Constitution to live by, we also live by norms and traditions. With those norms and traditions having been completely broken down by one side, there is no reason why the other side should still try to live by said norms and traditions. I will refrain from answering this question until/unless a Biden Presidency and a unified Democratic Congress has the opportunity to respond.

Dems should definitely try to expand to 12 judges.

But only if they win the election big.

Which is exactly not certain.

The current situation is exactly the thing that will give the Trump crowd the needed boost to win this election for them. Evangelicals who were previously sceptical of supporting Trump again will now come out in hordes to vote for him.

Because, if anything, Americans turn to religion and an incumbent force they know, in times of a pandemic and crisis like this ...

No, I think if we have the power, we should add some new states and go for 15 Justices and have President Biden fill them all in short order. They have broken the norms and declared war on the left. Their war has been stifled by the fact that we control the People's House, the House of Representatives. To be honest, if Democrats don't see the dire need for action quickly, I'm hoping Roe v. Wade is quickly overruled. Sometimes a hard lesson is required to learn and respond.

Lmao no , to say so is beyond absurd

I'm not surprised you would say that. You have no problem showing off the party label of a party that apparently only stands for incurring misery upon the American people.

Hopefully republicans keep the senate in 2020 to stop the democrats from passing their absolute insane plans and yes court packing is beyond insane and it would show the democrats are just as much of a threat to our institutions as Trump is .


Please don’t act like you have the higher moral ground again because you don’t , if you are arguing for this crap

If Democrats theoretically win a large majority in the election, they have all rights to expand the Court to 12 or 13.

It's called checks and balances, so that you Republicans don't force your extremist agenda down the throats of Americans.

Then next time Republicans get a trifecta we can increase it to 21 , so yah if the court gets expanded the judiciary will be destroyed forever and yes  and it will prove that the democrats just like Trump are against our institutions . Also Lol at extremist agenda when once again court packing again is far far more extreme then anything the Republicans have done.

I’m personally hoping this is the way we get another constitutional convention. We need one.
Else, eventually what OP is talking could eventually happen. The silver lining is that tried it there, they got tired of crap like this and they don’t finks with it anymore unless they are in really desperate countries.

No matter how bad the constitution is now, the hacks in the current Congress can only create a much worse one - imagine some gop apparatchik hacking at civil rights constitutionally?

It would be out of Congress’s total control at that point.

[25 Abril/Aprile Sempre!]

My only possible answer to this silliness is greetings from noted Catholic theocracy Italy.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

No, we are preventing a Unitarian theocracy.

I wasn't aware that there were any Unitarians who still believed in god. 

[pbrower2a]

Potentially. Note well: Donald Trump does not compromise or moderate.

[politicallefty]

When you've been backed into a corner, there's really no place else to go. If Democrats are unwilling to expand the Supreme Court, they should just pack up and go home. We have literally nothing to lose by adding new Justices. As much as we have a written Constitution to live by, we also live by norms and traditions. With those norms and traditions having been completely broken down by one side, there is no reason why the other side should still try to live by said norms and traditions. I will refrain from answering this question until/unless a Biden Presidency and a unified Democratic Congress has the opportunity to respond.

Dems should definitely try to expand to 12 judges.

But only if they win the election big.

Which is exactly not certain.

The current situation is exactly the thing that will give the Trump crowd the needed boost to win this election for them. Evangelicals who were previously sceptical of supporting Trump again will now come out in hordes to vote for him.

Because, if anything, Americans turn to religion and an incumbent force they know, in times of a pandemic and crisis like this ...

No, I think if we have the power, we should add some new states and go for 15 Justices and have President Biden fill them all in short order. They have broken the norms and declared war on the left. Their war has been stifled by the fact that we control the People's House, the House of Representatives. To be honest, if Democrats don't see the dire need for action quickly, I'm hoping Roe v. Wade is quickly overruled. Sometimes a hard lesson is required to learn and respond.

Lmao no , to say so is beyond absurd

I'm not surprised you would say that. You have no problem showing off the party label of a party that apparently only stands for incurring misery upon the American people.

Hopefully republicans keep the senate in 2020 to stop the democrats from passing their absolute insane plans and yes court packing is beyond insane and it would show the democrats are just as much of a threat to our institutions as Trump is .


Please don’t act like you have the higher moral ground again because you don’t , if you are arguing for this crap

I'm sorry for my late response, but I didn't see this until now. I'm not pretending to have any moral high ground, but neither should you. You should acknowledge that our norms and traditions in government are just as important as what is written into the text. What the Republicans did to President Obama in his first term violated all of the norms and traditions. You can't look back at a few random judges that were blocked by Democrats during the early years of the Bush Administration. You also can't look back at the Bork nomination. In that case, the Democratic Senate granted him a full hearing and a vote on the floor of the Senate. Merrick Garland would've been confirmed on the floor of the Senate in 2016 if he was granted a fair hearing and vote. But going back to Bork, Democrats easily confirmed Anthony Kennedy.

If there's one place I will claim a moral high ground, it's that I am absolutely willing to reach out to Republicans to figure out a new way forward with the judiciary in this country. Neither side should live in terror because a one justice shift in the Court. I've maintained that view for a long time. I would absolutely prefer both sides come together and figure out a new solution going forward. But you and I both know that won't happen because the religious right that dominates the Republican Party will not be happy until SCOTUS declares human life starts at fertilization.