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« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2020, 07:14:52 PM »

What a stupid rule and the school/locality's choice in how to enforce it.

The event is outdoors, and from the looks of the video there was plenty of "social distance" between the woman and other spectators at the event.  In what universe does wearing a mask in these kind of circumstances even make a difference? (Red avatar answer:  "because sCIeNcE you GOPtard!1!!")

The school district misapplied the law, and misapplied it haphazardly and violently.  This woman should sue.

Once she resisted arrest she initiated the violence. Was the officer supposed to let her assault him? What hasn't been mentioned is that she had a mask in her pocket despite claiming that she couldn't wear one because she has asthma. Seems to me that she just likes drama and wanted to put on a show.

The SRO should have employed his discretion and not tried to enforce such a silly rule against a woman sitting outdoors, by herself, not remotely near anyone else

In a deadly pandemic mask wearing not a silly rule. She escalated the situation by refusing to wear a mask or leave. She wasn't on her own property so she was only allowed to be there per the rules of the school district.

Uhm....no.  There is no possible reasoning as to why people should have to wear masks while they are social distancing outdoors.  The woman said she has asthma, and people with respiratory illnesses are explicitly excluded from the Ohio state mask mandate.  The fact she carried a mask with her is of no import (most asthmatics could probably tolerate wearing a mask for a short time for certain higher-risk places/interactions, but their condition could be aggravated from wearing one for longer periods.)  Thanks to the irresponsible actions of the SRO, the woman was tased and now has a broken arm. 

The fact that you are equivocal or defend any aspect of this story just shows how crazy you are. 
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« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2020, 07:24:32 PM »

Woman who claims to have asthma is out and about without a mask on not worried about getting a serious respiratory ailment.

Yep.

MAGA country is brain dead. Lights on, absolutely nothing going on up there.
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« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2020, 07:56:13 PM »

What a stupid rule and the school/locality's choice in how to enforce it.

The event is outdoors, and from the looks of the video there was plenty of "social distance" between the woman and other spectators at the event.  In what universe does wearing a mask in these kind of circumstances even make a difference? (Red avatar answer:  "because sCIeNcE you GOPtard!1!!")

The school district misapplied the law, and misapplied it haphazardly and violently.  This woman should sue.

Once she resisted arrest she initiated the violence. Was the officer supposed to let her assault him? What hasn't been mentioned is that she had a mask in her pocket despite claiming that she couldn't wear one because she has asthma. Seems to me that she just likes drama and wanted to put on a show.

The SRO should have employed his discretion and not tried to enforce such a silly rule against a woman sitting outdoors, by herself, not remotely near anyone else

In a deadly pandemic mask wearing not a silly rule. She escalated the situation by refusing to wear a mask or leave. She wasn't on her own property so she was only allowed to be there per the rules of the school district.

Uhm....no.  There is no possible reasoning as to why people should have to wear masks while they are social distancing outdoors.  The woman said she has asthma, and people with respiratory illnesses are explicitly excluded from the Ohio state mask mandate.  The fact she carried a mask with her is of no import (most asthmatics could probably tolerate wearing a mask for a short time for certain higher-risk places/interactions, but their condition could be aggravated from wearing one for longer periods.)  Thanks to the irresponsible actions of the SRO, the woman was tased and now has a broken arm. 

The fact that you are equivocal or defend any aspect of this story just shows how crazy you are. 

She could have left the grounds if she didn't like the rules. If she really has asthma then it is doubly important for her not to get the virus because she is more at risk. You are the crazy one here.
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« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2020, 07:59:21 PM »
« Edited: September 26, 2020, 09:38:31 PM by Fuzzy Stands With Amy Coney Barrett »

Woman who claims to have asthma is out and about without a mask on not worried about getting a serious respiratory ailment.

A woman who works at one of my regular convenience stores where I get gas has asthma and chronic bronchitis and states that it becomes difficult for her to breathe after wearing the mask for an extended period.  Essentially, when she inhales little bits of fibers from the mask, it becomes irritating to her bronchial tubes to the point where she needs to use her inhaler.  This is an ordinary person who doesn't get want to get sick, and especially does not want COVID-19.  

Now the woman at the other convenience store I get gas at is paranoid.  And justifiably so; she has chronic bronchitis and emphysema and so does her husband.  They are at risk for pneumonia with even an ordinary cold, so imagine what COVID-19 would do to them.  So I get it.

But this football game was outdoors.  The stands were not crowded.  No one was "at risk".  This woman was not committing a crime, and she was not endangering anyone.  

Did the woman resist arrest?  One can make that argument, yes.  Should she have been arrested?  Of course not.  If people are not being arrested for rioting, looting, arson, etc. (and lots aren't due to law enforcement being told to stand down).  Should she have simply gone along?  Yes, and she should have sued for false arrest afterward.  But people are righteously indignant seeing this woman who is, arguably, breaking no law (only "edicts" from politicians) while watching no action taken against rioters in multiple cities (some inaction due to Soros-backed prosecutors simply deciding not to prosecute crimes stemming from the recent wave of political violence).  

The vast majority of people here in this thread are outraged at every single arrest made of protesters, yet cheer on the arrest of a law-abiding citizen for a mask.  Law-abiding, tax paying, compliant Americans are sick of this dichotomy.  And they're sick of the people that are OK with it.   Our compliance to their edicts (often at great expense to our families) is taken for granted, as is the legality of many of these edicts (which I would love to see tested in a Court of Law).  I'd be a little more OK with this if the police were not standing down versus the Mob.  If this woman is going to jail for this, she's earned it, but there should be double-digit arrests in every city where there's rioting every night that there's rioting.  That's justice.  This isn't.
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« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2020, 08:02:05 PM »

What a stupid rule and the school/locality's choice in how to enforce it.

The event is outdoors, and from the looks of the video there was plenty of "social distance" between the woman and other spectators at the event.  In what universe does wearing a mask in these kind of circumstances even make a difference? (Red avatar answer:  "because sCIeNcE you GOPtard!1!!")

The school district misapplied the law, and misapplied it haphazardly and violently.  This woman should sue.

Once she resisted arrest she initiated the violence. Was the officer supposed to let her assault him? What hasn't been mentioned is that she had a mask in her pocket despite claiming that she couldn't wear one because she has asthma. Seems to me that she just likes drama and wanted to put on a show.

The SRO should have employed his discretion and not tried to enforce such a silly rule against a woman sitting outdoors, by herself, not remotely near anyone else

In a deadly pandemic mask wearing not a silly rule. She escalated the situation by refusing to wear a mask or leave. She wasn't on her own property so she was only allowed to be there per the rules of the school district.

Uhm....no.  There is no possible reasoning as to why people should have to wear masks while they are social distancing outdoors.  The woman said she has asthma, and people with respiratory illnesses are explicitly excluded from the Ohio state mask mandate.  The fact she carried a mask with her is of no import (most asthmatics could probably tolerate wearing a mask for a short time for certain higher-risk places/interactions, but their condition could be aggravated from wearing one for longer periods.)  Thanks to the irresponsible actions of the SRO, the woman was tased and now has a broken arm. 

The fact that you are equivocal or defend any aspect of this story just shows how crazy you are. 

She could have left the grounds if she didn't like the rules. If she really has asthma then it is doubly important for her not to get the virus because she is more at risk. You are the crazy one here.

She should not have left, because she was outdoors and observing appropriate social distance (which puts her at near-zero chance of contracting the virus). 

A public high school football game is not private property, and the decision of the district/SRO to enforce their mask mandate in this way is a state action.  There's a balancing criterion that should be used here to decide whether the SRO's actions were justified.  Given the minimal risk poised by the woman's presence, they pretty obviously weren't.   
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« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2020, 08:03:37 PM »

She should have been yelling "black lives matter."
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« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2020, 08:12:14 PM »



Why does anyone think tasering is funny?


It's violence.  If you are going to use it, you need a good reason.  There isn't one here.

It's a quote from a TV show dude.




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« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2020, 08:26:09 PM »


She should not have left, because she was outdoors and observing appropriate social distance (which puts her at near-zero chance of contracting the virus). 

A public high school football game is not private property, and the decision of the district/SRO to enforce their mask mandate in this way is a state action.  There's a balancing criterion that should be used here to decide whether the SRO's actions were justified.  Given the minimal risk poised by the woman's presence, they pretty obviously weren't.   

She was on property that is owned by the school district, so she was required to follow the rules there. She was asked several times to put on her mask before she was asked to leave.
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« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2020, 08:32:28 PM »


Black people have nothing to do with this incident. But of course the cop was black so maybe that is where it was coming from. Had this woman pulled out a gun and shot the cop for asking her to wear a mask I have a feeling that blue lives suddenly wouldn't matter and that the woman would be labeled a hero.
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« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2020, 08:33:37 PM »

What's the problem?
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« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2020, 08:46:22 PM »


She should not have left, because she was outdoors and observing appropriate social distance (which puts her at near-zero chance of contracting the virus). 

A public high school football game is not private property, and the decision of the district/SRO to enforce their mask mandate in this way is a state action.  There's a balancing criterion that should be used here to decide whether the SRO's actions were justified.  Given the minimal risk poised by the woman's presence, they pretty obviously weren't.   

She was on property that is owned by the school district, so she was required to follow the rules there. She was asked several times to put on her mask before she was asked to leave.

As a state agent,  the school district is not in the position to enforce whatever rules or mandates it wants willy-nilly.  The problem is not that she was arrested or tased even (per se) but more so that the SRO made an affirmative decision to escalate a situation when it was not warranted based on the level of risk present.  He should be fired, and the woman should sue.
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« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2020, 08:50:28 PM »


Black people have nothing to do with this incident. But of course the cop was black so maybe that is where it was coming from. Had this woman pulled out a gun and shot the cop for asking her to wear a mask I have a feeling that blue lives suddenly wouldn't matter and that the woman would be labeled a hero.

Are you fine with crowds of people demonstrating and yelling?    If so, why do you think a woman sitting by herself at a football game is a viral risk?
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« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2020, 08:51:40 PM »


She should not have left, because she was outdoors and observing appropriate social distance (which puts her at near-zero chance of contracting the virus). 

A public high school football game is not private property, and the decision of the district/SRO to enforce their mask mandate in this way is a state action.  There's a balancing criterion that should be used here to decide whether the SRO's actions were justified.  Given the minimal risk poised by the woman's presence, they pretty obviously weren't.   

She was on property that is owned by the school district, so she was required to follow the rules there. She was asked several times to put on her mask before she was asked to leave.

As a state agent,  the school district is not in the position to enforce whatever rules or mandates it wants willy-nilly.  The problem is not that she was arrested or tased even (per se) but more so that the SRO made an affirmative decision to escalate a situation when it was not warranted based on the level of risk present.  He should be fired, and the woman should sue.

My bad. The school district has no control over the property and people can do whatever they want there. Stupid me. You surely did educate me.
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« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2020, 08:57:26 PM »

Resisting arrest is never ok no matter what the circumstances (even if you are innocent e.g.). But if she has asthma and was maintaining 6 feet I think it should have been left alone.
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« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2020, 08:59:33 PM »


She should not have left, because she was outdoors and observing appropriate social distance (which puts her at near-zero chance of contracting the virus). 

A public high school football game is not private property, and the decision of the district/SRO to enforce their mask mandate in this way is a state action.  There's a balancing criterion that should be used here to decide whether the SRO's actions were justified.  Given the minimal risk poised by the woman's presence, they pretty obviously weren't.   

She was on property that is owned by the school district, so she was required to follow the rules there. She was asked several times to put on her mask before she was asked to leave.

As a state agent,  the school district is not in the position to enforce whatever rules or mandates it wants willy-nilly.  The problem is not that she was arrested or tased even (per se) but more so that the SRO made an affirmative decision to escalate a situation when it was not warranted based on the level of risk present.  He should be fired, and the woman should sue.

My bad. The school district has no control over the property and people can do whatever they want there. Stupid me. You surely did educate me.

The SRO attempted to remove and arrested the woman because she was criminally trespassing; however, there was nothing criminal about her conduct (asthmatics are explicitly exempted from the OH mask mandate).  She was there legally. 

The school district can of course promulgate and enforce rules concerning visitors to athletic events, but those rules can't be arbitrary or not related to the school's interests.  Because the (asthmatic) woman was outdoors and observing social distance, there's no rationale for the school in deciding to remove her in such a way.
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« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2020, 09:00:27 PM »


Black people have nothing to do with this incident. But of course the cop was black so maybe that is where it was coming from. Had this woman pulled out a gun and shot the cop for asking her to wear a mask I have a feeling that blue lives suddenly wouldn't matter and that the woman would be labeled a hero.

Are you fine with crowds of people demonstrating and yelling?    If so, why do you think a woman sitting by herself at a football game is a viral risk?

Demonstrations in the public right of way are totally different, but if people are going to protest they should wear a mask. This woman was not in a place where she could violate the rules and not be asked to leave.
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« Reply #41 on: September 26, 2020, 09:26:36 PM »


Black people have nothing to do with this incident. But of course the cop was black so maybe that is where it was coming from. Had this woman pulled out a gun and shot the cop for asking her to wear a mask I have a feeling that blue lives suddenly wouldn't matter and that the woman would be labeled a hero.

Are you fine with crowds of people demonstrating and yelling?    If so, why do you think a woman sitting by herself at a football game is a viral risk?

Demonstrations in the public right of way are totally different, but if people are going to protest they should wear a mask. This woman was not in a place where she could violate the rules and not be asked to leave.

Sitting by yourself outside 20 feet away from anyone without a mask is way safer than yelling chants close to other people even with a mask.   It isn't close.
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« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2020, 04:04:19 AM »

She had it coming lol.  Its almost like you should comply with the law or something.

That being said some of the people in here defending it are, uh, looking a bit hypocritical.
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« Reply #43 on: September 27, 2020, 07:39:15 AM »

She had it coming lol.  Its almost like you should comply with the law or something.

That being said some of the people in here defending it are, uh, looking a bit hypocritical.

A bit?

They condemn a person for not making a mask, yet provide apologia for criminal rioters and call it "systemic racism" when they are arrested for criminal offenses they commit while rioting.

The jails in 40 American cities ought to be bursting at the seams with felonious rioters.  They're not.  Riot police stand down.  Mask police are in full operational mode.  Is that a problem?  I would certainly hope so.
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« Reply #44 on: September 27, 2020, 01:12:41 PM »

Woman who claims to have asthma is out and about without a mask on not worried about getting a serious respiratory ailment.

It's actually hard for people with serious asthma to breathe through facemasks for more than a short period of time, and then only cloth ones; the disposable ones made of artificial material are actually pretty much impossible. Asthma is also not, as it happens, a major risk factor in Covid mortality; the only concern extra to a fully healthy adult would be that any chest infection can trigger an asthma attack.
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« Reply #45 on: September 27, 2020, 01:38:16 PM »

Woman who claims to have asthma is out and about without a mask on not worried about getting a serious respiratory ailment.
we have been told repeatedly by "science" that we wear masks to protect other people, not to prevent the wearer from getting anything.  It may help a bit with that, but that's not why we wear masks.  And as was just said, asthmatics are not a high risk group.



also, anybody that gets joy from this, but thinks protestors who don't wear masks should not be punished is an asshole.  No question.
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« Reply #46 on: September 27, 2020, 03:07:29 PM »

Woman who claims to have asthma is out and about without a mask on not worried about getting a serious respiratory ailment.

we have been told repeatedly by "science" that we wear masks to protect other people, not to prevent the wearer from getting anything.  It may help a bit with that, but that's not why we wear masks.  And as was just said, asthmatics are not a high risk group.

also, anybody that gets joy from this, but thinks protestors who don't wear masks should not be punished is an asshole.  No question.

Basic masks do this, yes.
But there are masks that can do a very good job of protecting you.
You see medical staff wearing these all the time (and can be found and purchased by the general public).
A genuine N95 mask is an example.
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« Reply #47 on: September 27, 2020, 04:38:00 PM »

Woman who claims to have asthma is out and about without a mask on not worried about getting a serious respiratory ailment.

we have been told repeatedly by "science" that we wear masks to protect other people, not to prevent the wearer from getting anything.  It may help a bit with that, but that's not why we wear masks.  And as was just said, asthmatics are not a high risk group.

also, anybody that gets joy from this, but thinks protestors who don't wear masks should not be punished is an asshole.  No question.

Basic masks do this, yes.
But there are masks that can do a very good job of protecting you.
You see medical staff wearing these all the time (and can be found and purchased by the general public).
A genuine N95 mask is an example.
Even a surgical helps to an extent. While it won’t prevent everything from coming in, it does provide a degree of protection.
N-95 is what I use for school, but it’s not very comfortable and I understand why people wouldn’t use it, but surgical masks are so easy to breathe through, it’s crazy people are so resistant of them.
KN-95’s are a decent compromise if you want the protection but are too uncomfortable with an N-95 imo.
F**k, I will continue wearing my N-95 until we get a vaccine.
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« Reply #48 on: September 27, 2020, 04:49:21 PM »

What a stupid rule and the school/locality's choice in how to enforce it.

The event is outdoors, and from the looks of the video there was plenty of "social distance" between the woman and other spectators at the event.  In what universe does wearing a mask in these kind of circumstances even make a difference? (Red avatar answer:  "because sCIeNcE you GOPtard!1!!")

The school district misapplied the law, and misapplied it haphazardly and violently.  This woman should sue.

Once she resisted arrest she initiated the violence. Was the officer supposed to let her assault him? What hasn't been mentioned is that she had a mask in her pocket despite claiming that she couldn't wear one because she has asthma. Seems to me that she just likes drama and wanted to put on a show.

The SRO should have employed his discretion and not tried to enforce such a silly rule against a woman sitting outdoors, by herself, not remotely near anyone else

It is no more a silly rule than speed laws on the highways or bans on drunk driving.

Someone who has COVID-19 is potentially as dangerous as a rattlesnake. You are more likely to survive a rattlesnake bite than COVID-19. Even if it does not kill outright, it can lead to organ damage and diabetes.
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« Reply #49 on: September 27, 2020, 05:34:18 PM »

What a stupid rule and the school/locality's choice in how to enforce it.

The event is outdoors, and from the looks of the video there was plenty of "social distance" between the woman and other spectators at the event.  In what universe does wearing a mask in these kind of circumstances even make a difference? (Red avatar answer:  "because sCIeNcE you GOPtard!1!!")

The school district misapplied the law, and misapplied it haphazardly and violently.  This woman should sue.

Once she resisted arrest she initiated the violence. Was the officer supposed to let her assault him? What hasn't been mentioned is that she had a mask in her pocket despite claiming that she couldn't wear one because she has asthma. Seems to me that she just likes drama and wanted to put on a show.

The SRO should have employed his discretion and not tried to enforce such a silly rule against a woman sitting outdoors, by herself, not remotely near anyone else

It is no more a silly rule than speed laws on the highways or bans on drunk driving.

Someone who has COVID-19 is potentially as dangerous as a rattlesnake. You are more likely to survive a rattlesnake bite than COVID-19. Even if it does not kill outright, it can lead to organ damage and diabetes.
Honestly I would rather get bit by a rattlesnake than catch Covid-19. We have really good anti-venoms and we already have some understanding of long-term effects. Then again, that may just be the reckless Colorado hiker in me.
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