The Republican party needs to be burnt to the ground

[ProudModerate2]

Kyle Rittenhouse is almost certainly going to go on to do great things when he gets elected to office to jail.

[PSOL]

Oh jeez, history keeps on marching the same March it always does.

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

What part of he might not be guilty but that doesn't make him a hero do you not understand?

[25 Abril/Aprile Sempre!]

It's time to let old things die. The GOP. The Democratic Party. The filibuster. Citizens United. Let it all die.

This but unironically. Cleanse all with fire.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Also whether you think Kyle Rittenhouse is innocent or guilty has nothing to do with whether he or especially his mom should be celebrated because they shouldn’t. He crossed state lines illegal with an assault rifle to go to an area he knew was a political hotbed deliberately to cause trouble. Even if he ends being proven innocent it doesn’t change the fact that his actions in the buildup go against everything “responsible gun owners” are supposed to do according to the NRA and pro-gun people. So to celebrate his actions is seriously telling on yourself

Kyle Rittenhouse was, allegedly, in Kenosha to help a person defend his business in the face of impending violence.  Let's assume that part is true for the sake of argument.  (It may well be false, but that hasn't been demonstrated yet.)

If I owned a business in Kenosha, WI, and criminals in the streets were violently rioting and likely to destroy my business, I'd want someone to defend my property if I were unable to defend it myself.  Wouldn't you?  Or would you be OK with violent scum overrunning your property and destroying your means of sustenance? 

What are people supposed to do?  Simply surrender their homes and businesses to criminal rioters?  Why should they?  Please tell me.  I'm not trying to make a hero out of Kyle Rittenhouse, but I fail to see what's wrong with a person defending someone's business against total destruction by a violent mob, especially when police have been explicitly been told to stand down while the criminal rioters destroy buildings and businesses that aren't theirs to destroy.

[Pericles]

Seems a bit suspicious that people like Fuzzy, and I think other Atlas posters have done it in the past, insist on dehumanizing the protesters by calling them stuff like 'scum'. They obviously are making a conscious decision to use this term, so don't try give me the BS that I am the one being a PC liberal. No, I'm just a decent, tolerant person, who yes believes that Black Lives Matter.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Seems a bit suspicious that people like Fuzzy, and I think other Atlas posters have done it in the past, insist on dehumanizing the protesters by calling them stuff like 'scum'. They obviously are making a conscious decision to use this term, so don't try give me the BS that I am the one being a PC liberal. No, I'm just a decent, tolerant person, who yes believes that Black Lives Matter.

But you've covered for the lie that they are "mostly peaceful".

Is wanton violence to be tolerated?  You tell me; you're a reasonable person.  Is it not depraved to scream "Burn it all down!" and then actually attempt to do it?

BLM and Antifa are garbage, all of them.  The issue of black lives "mattering" is legitimate, but BLM, the organization, is criminal scum; a network of vandals and bullies that seek to intimidate people and commit violence because they can.

I'm a decent and tolerant person that believes that All Lives Matter.  The thugs in the streets don't think that the lives of law abiding citizens and business owners matter; they wouldn't be intimidating them at restaurants and destroying their property if they did.  They are garbage and I don't apologize for saying that, given the huge swath of damage they have caused.

Decent people who believe in tolerance condemn BLM and Antifa for their unconscionable actions in the strongest ways.  Good motives don't justify what they've done.  And they continue to commit criminal violence because good people like yourself won't pull the plug on your verbal support and turn on them and condemn them with the condemnation they have righteously earned.

I'll put it in perspective:  One sentence from Kamala Harris and much of the violence would cease.  The silence really is deafening.

[Arson Plus]

Seems a bit suspicious that people like Fuzzy, and I think other Atlas posters have done it in the past, insist on dehumanizing the protesters by calling them stuff like 'scum'. They obviously are making a conscious decision to use this term, so don't try give me the BS that I am the one being a PC liberal. No, I'm just a decent, tolerant person, who yes believes that Black Lives Matter.

People have their own opinions with their own worldviews and so do you and me and Fuzzy and everyone else on this forum.

[Landslide Lyndon]

For how long are we going to tolerate fuzzy's incendiary, fascist, racist rhetoric?
For how long is he going to attack and dehumanize protestors and political opponents with impunity?

[Crumpets]

Yeah... we said that in 2008 too and kind of got our wish. Now look where we are.

[The Righteous Tip of the Abundance Spear]

For how long are we going to tolerate fuzzy's incendiary, fascist, racist rhetoric?
For how long is he going to attack and dehumanize protestors and political opponents with impunity?

For however long we continue to tolerate you, at least.

[Fuzzy Bear]

For how long are we going to tolerate fuzzy's incendiary, fascist, racist rhetoric?
For how long is he going to attack and dehumanize protestors and political opponents with impunity?

For however long we continue to tolerate you, at least.

For however long Landslide Lyndon condones political violence in a country not his own, conducted by BLM and Antifa, which ordinary Americans who have committed no crime bear the brunt of.

[Pericles]

93% of Black Lives Matter protests were peaceful, a lot of the rioters were just criminals anyway not connected with the movement. It is incredibly wrong and an awful thing to say that all Black Lives Matter protesters and supporters are 'garbage'. The reality is that this is a pathetic deflection from the actual issues of racial injustice, because people like you don't really care about it and don't want to deal with it.

[Fuzzy Bear]

93% of Black Lives Matter protests were peaceful, a lot of the rioters were just criminals anyway not connected with the movement. It is incredibly wrong and an awful thing to say that all Black Lives Matter protesters and supporters are 'garbage'. The reality is that this is a pathetic deflection from the actual issues of racial injustice, because people like you don't really care about it and don't want to deal with it.

Here's how BLM respects the rights of individual citizens.

Here's a peaceful protest that includes a Minnesota Democratic Congressional candidate right in front of the home and family of the leader of Minneapolis's Police Union.  The beating of the pinata is a touch of class.  Is this "peaceful"?

How about dinner out in Rochester?

[yougube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujJm8Hn5sIc[/youtube]

When buildings are burning, is the protest "mostly peaceful"?

If people are not starting fires, but are standing around cheering the fires on, are those protesters "peaceful"?

I'm all for discussing the real issues of racial injustice, but the real issues are not systematic racist killing of unarmed blacks by police officers.  It's happened, but these are rare events, and the events are often misconstrued by the media.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/06/05/heather_mac_donald_america_is_being_ripped_apart_by_lies.html#!

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020/09/23/blue_truth_matters_524267.html

There are legitimate issues as to racial equality that have real merit.  I've spoken about them on this forum.  Those posts are somewhat forgettable because those posts go with the grain here.

I consider the denial of the violent nature of BLM and Antifa to be both dishonest and dangerous.  It has provided cover for "corporate sponsorship" of these organizations.  It's how they get the money to do what they do.  If this flow of financial support were cut off, the violence would end and a serious discussion with serious people could start.  I'm challenging you to be one of the serious people.  That would mean giving up the fantasy that BLM and Antifa are peaceful operators.  They are not, and their continued activity blocks a real solution to the problems they say they care about.  Perhaps it's time to consider what their real (if unstated) aims might be.

[The DEI Hire]

Seems a bit suspicious that people like Fuzzy, and I think other Atlas posters have done it in the past, insist on dehumanizing the protesters by calling them stuff like 'scum'. They obviously are making a conscious decision to use this term, so don't try give me the BS that I am the one being a PC liberal. No, I'm just a decent, tolerant person, who yes believes that Black Lives Matter.

Rioters deserve to be called scum.

[DrScholl]

Fuzzy Bear derails almost every single thread by bringing up Black Lives Matter and it needs to stop. He will not hold Republicans accountable for their actions, so he brings up Black Lives Matter. His constant derailments need to be deleted.

[BlueSwan]

Fuzzy after Trump abolishes congress and the courts and declares himself lifelong dictator: "Well, I am not making a hero out of Trump, but the rioters need to be stopped."

[Trump Is A Maoist]

Reasonable person: 93 to 94% of the protests have been shown to be peaceful

Fuzzy: WRONG LIBTARD I FOUND 3 INCIDENTS OF RIOTING AND LOOTING CAUGHT ON VIDEO

It used to be funny Fuzzy, but it's just getting sad and tiresome now. If you want to come here and debate, that's great and I strongly encourage it. Please bring real arguments, logic and data analysis to the table and try to make real counter-arguments instead of demagoguery.

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

600 Riots in one summer, and the Democrats are mad that Republicans don't support their effort to send a political prisoner to jail for decades. Get a clue.

[Wakie77]

600 Riots in one summer, and the Democrats are mad that Republicans don't support their effort to send a political prisoner to jail for decades. Get a clue.

If you steal a gun, cross state lines and shoot someone on the street you are in the wrong.

[Fuzzy Bear]

600 Riots in one summer, and the Democrats are mad that Republicans don't support their effort to send a political prisoner to jail for decades. Get a clue.

If you steal a gun, cross state lines and shoot someone on the street you are in the wrong.

1.  Rittenhouse is not charged with stealing a weapon.

2.  Even if he did, he is able to use that weapon to defend himself to preserve his own life.  That matter is going to be resolved in a Court by a jury of Rittenhouse's peers, and not by a mob of online Wokies.  This is, after all, still America, and last I read, people in American were entitled to a fair trial if charged with felonies and were permitted to mount affirmative defenses to their charges.

I'll bet you hate that when the defendant is someone whose legal defense challenges your own cherished narratives, but that's how it's done here. 

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

600 Riots in one summer, and the Democrats are mad that Republicans don't support their effort to send a political prisoner to jail for decades. Get a clue.

If you steal a gun, cross state lines and shoot someone on the street you are in the wrong.

Rittenhouse borrowed a friend's gun after getting off his cop as a lifeguard. He was then chased by three felons who he shot in self defense.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Welcome to Fuzzy land everyone. Where all of Trump’s scandals are fake but Obamagate is real, claim to respect the sanctity of life  but rip on RGB for her deathbed request that the senate GOP honor the precedent they sent and not like cynical aholes shove through a judge a month before a presidential election, and were people yelling at restaurants are violent thugs but a guy who actually killed people is a hero. Up is down and black is white

[Hammy]

Also whether you think Kyle Rittenhouse is innocent or guilty has nothing to do with whether he or especially his mom should be celebrated because they shouldn’t. He crossed state lines illegal with an assault rifle to go to an area he knew was a political hotbed deliberately to cause trouble. Even if he ends being proven innocent it doesn’t change the fact that his actions in the buildup go against everything “responsible gun owners” are supposed to do according to the NRA and pro-gun people. So to celebrate his actions is seriously telling on yourself

Kyle Rittenhouse was, allegedly, in Kenosha to help a person defend his business in the face of impending violence.  Let's assume that part is true for the sake of argument.  (It may well be false, but that hasn't been demonstrated yet.)

Let's assume that is true. He still committed a crime being a minor in possession of an assault weapon. Are you okay with him committing a crime just to stop another alleged crime? Are you, while condemning rioters, saying you support vigilantism and subversion of the law?

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

Also whether you think Kyle Rittenhouse is innocent or guilty has nothing to do with whether he or especially his mom should be celebrated because they shouldn’t. He crossed state lines illegal with an assault rifle to go to an area he knew was a political hotbed deliberately to cause trouble. Even if he ends being proven innocent it doesn’t change the fact that his actions in the buildup go against everything “responsible gun owners” are supposed to do according to the NRA and pro-gun people. So to celebrate his actions is seriously telling on yourself

Kyle Rittenhouse was, allegedly, in Kenosha to help a person defend his business in the face of impending violence.  Let's assume that part is true for the sake of argument.  (It may well be false, but that hasn't been demonstrated yet.)

Let's assume that is true. He still committed a crime being a minor in possession of an assault weapon. Are you okay with him committing a crime just to stop another alleged crime? Are you, while condemning rioters, saying you support vigilantism and subversion of the law?

Open carry of a rifle is legal for 17 year olds in Wisconsin. He literally did not commit a single crime.