Half of Biden supporters believe Right Wing Radicals Conspiracy Theory

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/09/Fox_September-7-10-2020_Complete_National_Topline_September-13-Release.pdf, page 54
An obviously false conspiracy theory, believed by 1/3 of Americans and 1/2 of Biden supporters. Any talk of right wing disinformation has to reckon with the sheer number of liberals who sit in detached media bubbles and believe conspiracy theories barely more credible than QAnon.

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[AGA]

Which is...?

[GeneralMacArthur]

Unsurprisingly, when asked "who do you think is more at fault for bad thing, your side or the other side" everyone says "the other side."

Here are the facts.

There are left-wing radicals causing mayhem and property destruction at many of these events.  In general they are a small group of people who are not representative of the movement, and most of them are not Democrats at all they are crazy anarcho-communist types.  Unfortunately, they've been allowed to hang around in Seattle and Portland due to lax city and county-level prosecutors.

In most of the cities not named Seattle or Portland, any violence caused by anarchist-types has been swiftly met with the full force of the law, and most violence you see on TV is committed by regular criminal opportunists with no political motivation whatsoever.

There are also a lot of right-wingers hanging around the protests.  In olden days they'd be called radicals, but in the Trump era they are the mainstream of the party.  They frequently go out of their way to attack and antagonize protesters, or otherwise try to create violent situations.  One of them shot two people.

Instances of violence from left-wing rioters are more frequent in Portland and Seattle because they are allowed to operate with impunity.  Instances of violence from right-wing troublemakers are less frequent, but they also show more signs of growth as the movement is stoked and encouraged.

If you watch Democratic TV, you will see the left-wing rioters, but you'll also see a lot of the right-wing troublemakers and they are presented as two equal sides.

If you watch Republican TV, you won't see the right-wing troublemakers at all, but there is wall-to-wall coverage of the left-wing rioters.

Democratic politicians and leaders, including Vice President Biden, have strongly condemned both the left-wing and the right-wing purveyors of violence.

Republican politicians and leaders, including President Trump, have condemned and highlighted the left-wing rioters, while applauding and celebrating the right-wing troublemakers.

This is the current situation.

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

Unsurprisingly, when asked "who do you think is more at fault for bad thing, your side or the other side" everyone says "the other side."

Here are the facts.

There are left-wing radicals causing mayhem and property destruction at many of these events.  In general they are a small group of people who are not representative of the movement, and most of them are not Democrats at all they are crazy anarcho-communist types.  Unfortunately, they've been allowed to hang around in Seattle and Portland due to lax city and county-level prosecutors.

In most of the cities not named Seattle or Portland, any violence caused by anarchist-types has been swiftly met with the full force of the law, and most violence you see on TV is committed by regular criminal opportunists with no political motivation whatsoever.

There are also a lot of right-wingers hanging around the protests.  In olden days they'd be called radicals, but in the Trump era they are the mainstream of the party.  They frequently go out of their way to attack and antagonize protesters, or otherwise try to create violent situations.  One of them shot two people.

Instances of violence from left-wing rioters are more frequent in Portland and Seattle because they are allowed to operate with impunity.  Instances of violence from right-wing troublemakers are less frequent, but they also show more signs of growth as the movement is stoked and encouraged.

If you watch Democratic TV, you will see the left-wing rioters, but you'll also see a lot of the right-wing troublemakers and they are presented as two equal sides.

If you watch Republican TV, you won't see the right-wing troublemakers at all, but there is wall-to-wall coverage of the left-wing rioters.

Democratic politicians and leaders, including Vice President Biden, have strongly condemned both the left-wing and the right-wing purveyors of violence.

Republican politicians and leaders, including President Trump, have condemned and highlighted the left-wing rioters, while applauding and celebrating the right-wing troublemakers.

This is the current situation.

Here's the facts. 90% of the violence has been caused by left wing radicals, which is why storeowners are spray painting black owned business on their outer walls and Kamala was sending money to bail funds. The media has covered this up because knowledge of what is happening makes it less popular. Biden has issued weak condemnations that avoid the central problem of a dishonest movement intentionally engaging in violence because he wants their votes.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Here's the facts. 90% of the violence has been caused by left wing radicals, which is why storeowners are spray painting black owned business on their outer walls and Kamala was sending money to bail funds. The media has covered this up because knowledge of what is happening makes it less popular. Biden has issued weak condemnations that avoid the central problem of a dishonest movement intentionally engaging in violence because he wants their votes.

And this is where we get into the things that aren't true.

There's no evidence that 90% of the violence has been caused by "left-wing radicals."  I don't think there have been any studies done whatsoever.  If I had to guess, I would suppose that most of the violence has been done by apolitical criminals who just seized the opportunity, taking advantage of civic unrest and an otherwise-occupied police force to do a little looting and smashing.  The vast majority of violence caused by left-wing radicals has been in Seattle and Portland.  There is virtually zero left-wing radical presence in any other city.

The "Kamala was sending money to bail funds to help the rioters" story is one of those right-wing myths that starts from a little seed of truth and gets built up into a bigger and bigger lie until eventually someone like you stumbles on it and believes it.  The truth is that only 2 violent people were bailed out by the Minnesota Freedom Fund that Kamala Harris promoted on her Twitter, and in both cases their cash bail payments were small and nominal and would have been paid anyway.  Right-wingers continue to misunderstand how cash bail works and think it's a "get out of jail free" card, which it isn't -- those people will still have to face the consequences of their crimes (assuming they aren't protected by the county prosecutor as in Seattle/Portland), it's just they won't be held in jail for the crime of being poor in the meantime.  Both Biden and Harris believe in eliminating cash bail entirely, as does the MFF.  Read more at https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/03/kamala-harris-tweeted-support-bail-fund-money-didnt-just-assist-protestors/

The media isn't covering up anything.  Here in Seattle, the protests/riots get coverage in a variety of local papers including the Seattle Times.  Even The Stranger, which is the definition of far-left hack rag, covers them (albeit with a focus on negative behavior by the police).  The reason they don't get more national media coverage is that these riots are fundamentally a small local issue.  I live a few blocks away from the East Precinct and I'm virtually unaffected by them.  If I don't need daily updates on the situation, why should someone in NYC who's never even been to Seattle?  What is the point of CNN returning to the city block of 12th and Pine every night to cover more scenes of the same 10-15 anarchists throwing fireworks at the East Precinct?  The right-wing media is only covering it because it's politically advantageous to them.  They don't actually care.

Finally, Biden's condemnations are not "weak."  He has been firm and straightforward.  He's given multiple speeches on the subject.  He's repeated his condemnation time and again in every possible medium.  I would guess that he'll issue the same condemnation on Tuesday night.  The pathetic fact is that no matter how many times Biden condemns the violence, people like you will continue to lie that his condemnations are weak and/or insufficient, not because you actually care, but because telling that lie is politically advantageous to you.  Even more pathetic is that you don't hold your own God-Emperor Trump to the same standard -- in interview after interview he wriggles like a little worm when asked to condemn violence by his own supporters!

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

Here's the facts. 90% of the violence has been caused by left wing radicals, which is why storeowners are spray painting black owned business on their outer walls and Kamala was sending money to bail funds. The media has covered this up because knowledge of what is happening makes it less popular. Biden has issued weak condemnations that avoid the central problem of a dishonest movement intentionally engaging in violence because he wants their votes.

Rambling paragraphs of excuse for supporting a violent movement.

Kamala was sending money to bail funds because the people getting arrested were on the left. We have a mass left wing violent movement that Biden refused to name for months. Are you so delusional that you don't think this is true?

[Mette Frederiksen Stan]

Practically everything they believe is a nonsensical conspiracy theory. The Muh Russia boogeyman and everything it encompasses (especially useful to support their desire for an interventionalist foreign policy), "white privilege/systemic racism" and other terms they invent to justify their sadistic hatred of white people, ect.

[You are responsible]

I find it more surprising that 20% of Republicans believe it too.

(That is if "it" is indeed what I believe it is... it took me some research to find out what the hell this thread is even about...)

[GeneralMacArthur]

Rambling paragraphs of excuse for supporting a violent movement.

Kamala was sending money to bail funds because the people getting arrested were on the left. We have a mass left wing violent movement that Biden refused to name for months. Are you so delusional that you don't think this is true?

OK, so you're just going to ignore everything I wrote and repeat the same drivel to try and bait me into wasting my time proving you wrong yet again.  Cool.

[インターネット掲示板ユーザー Punxsutawney Phil]

I find it more surprising that 20% of Republicans believe it too.

(That is if "it" is indeed what I believe it is... it took me some research to find out what the hell this thread is even about...)

Please go in detail about what you think this is about. I have no good guess, I assume most are in the same boat.

[You are responsible]

I find it more surprising that 20% of Republicans believe it too.

(That is if "it" is indeed what I believe it is... it took me some research to find out what the hell this thread is even about...)

Please go in detail about what you think this is about. I have no good guess, I assume most are in the same boat.

Apparently, about half of Democratic voters (and 20% of Republicans) said in some Fox News poll that "right wing radicals" are responsible when violence breaks out at BLM protests.... which according to the OP constitutes a conspiracy theory.

[インターネット掲示板ユーザー Punxsutawney Phil]

I find it more surprising that 20% of Republicans believe it too.

(That is if "it" is indeed what I believe it is... it took me some research to find out what the hell this thread is even about...)

Please go in detail about what you think this is about. I have no good guess, I assume most are in the same boat.

Apparently, about half of Democratic voters (and 20% of Republicans) said in some Fox News poll that "right wing radicals" are responsible when violence breaks out at BLM protests.... which according to the OP constitutes a conspiracy theory.

Thanks for the rundown.
In all honesty I don't think this really qualifies as a conspiracy theory...

[7,052,770]

I find it more surprising that 20% of Republicans believe it too.

(That is if "it" is indeed what I believe it is... it took me some research to find out what the hell this thread is even about...)

Please go in detail about what you think this is about. I have no good guess, I assume most are in the same boat.

Apparently, about half of Democratic voters (and 20% of Republicans) said in some Fox News poll that "right wing radicals" are responsible when violence breaks out at BLM protests.... which according to the OP constitutes a conspiracy theory.

Thanks for the rundown.
In all honesty I don't think this really qualifies as a conspiracy theory...

Yeah, regardless of whether the idea is true or false, who is alleging a conspiracy?

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

I find it more surprising that 20% of Republicans believe it too.

(That is if "it" is indeed what I believe it is... it took me some research to find out what the hell this thread is even about...)

Please go in detail about what you think this is about. I have no good guess, I assume most are in the same boat.

Apparently, about half of Democratic voters (and 20% of Republicans) said in some Fox News poll that "right wing radicals" are responsible when violence breaks out at BLM protests.... which according to the OP constitutes a conspiracy theory.

Thanks for the rundown.
In all honesty I don't think this really qualifies as a conspiracy theory...

Yeah, regardless of whether the idea is true or false, who is alleging a conspiracy?

Since visible violence is clearly left-aligned, the conspiracy is that they're secretly white supremacists.

[7,052,770]

I find it more surprising that 20% of Republicans believe it too.

(That is if "it" is indeed what I believe it is... it took me some research to find out what the hell this thread is even about...)

Please go in detail about what you think this is about. I have no good guess, I assume most are in the same boat.

Apparently, about half of Democratic voters (and 20% of Republicans) said in some Fox News poll that "right wing radicals" are responsible when violence breaks out at BLM protests.... which according to the OP constitutes a conspiracy theory.

Thanks for the rundown.
In all honesty I don't think this really qualifies as a conspiracy theory...

Yeah, regardless of whether the idea is true or false, who is alleging a conspiracy?

Since visible violence is clearly left-aligned, the conspiracy is that they're secretly white supremacists.

I don't think anyone is alleging that white supremacists are pretending to be liberal and committing violence. Plenty of white supremacists are openly committing violence and not hiding who they are.

On top of that, the biggest slice of violence is committed by people who are not supporting either candidate, either because they vote for 3rd party Marxist candidates or because they just don't vote. A vanishingly small portion of the violence is committed by DLC establishment Democrats who lurve Biden.

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

I find it more surprising that 20% of Republicans believe it too.

(That is if "it" is indeed what I believe it is... it took me some research to find out what the hell this thread is even about...)

Please go in detail about what you think this is about. I have no good guess, I assume most are in the same boat.

Apparently, about half of Democratic voters (and 20% of Republicans) said in some Fox News poll that "right wing radicals" are responsible when violence breaks out at BLM protests.... which according to the OP constitutes a conspiracy theory.

Thanks for the rundown.
In all honesty I don't think this really qualifies as a conspiracy theory...

Yeah, regardless of whether the idea is true or false, who is alleging a conspiracy?

Since visible violence is clearly left-aligned, the conspiracy is that they're secretly white supremacists.

I don't think anyone is alleging that white supremacists are pretending to be liberal and committing violence. Plenty of white supremacists are openly committing violence and not hiding who they are.

On top of that, the biggest slice of violence is committed by people who are not supporting either candidate, either because they vote for 3rd party Marxist candidates or because they just don't vote. A vanishingly small portion of the violence is committed by DLC establishment Democrats who lurve Biden.

It is insane to act like white supremacist violence has been more common than left wing violence this summer.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

It's an inaccurate view of the majority of these situations, but not a conspiracy theory.

And another instance where blacks are less woke than white Democrats.

[Hammy]

Not a theory, but fact.

https://www.businessinsider.com/3-boogaloo-men-terror-charges-george-floyd-protest-riot-conspiracy-2020-6

[Pericles]

What even is the 'conspiracy theory'? The OP linked a 67-page document.

[Anni di ghiaccio]

Practically everything they believe is a nonsensical conspiracy theory. The Muh Russia boogeyman and everything it encompasses (especially useful to support their desire for an interventionalist foreign policy), "white privilege/systemic racism" and other terms they invent to justify their sadistic hatred of white people, ect.

Why do you want a Nazi with CTE to be president in 2024?

I mean, other than the white genocide conspiracy crap you post.

[Hammy]

What even is the 'conspiracy theory'? The OP linked a 67-page document.

It SEEMS (though I could be wrong and this thread is a God-forsaken mess) that the "conspiracy theory" in question is that right wingers are going to rallies and protests and inciting violence and chaos for the purpose of creating riots, so they can turn around and say look how violent the left is.

[JA]

Well, the Department of Homeland Security’s recent assessments on domestic terrorist threats concluded that right-wing domestic terrorism is the single greatest domestic terrorism threat to America.

White supremacists present the gravest terror threat to the United States, according to a draft report from the Department of Homeland Security.

Two later draft versions of the same document — all of which were reviewed by POLITICO — describe the threat from white supremacists in slightly different language. But all three drafts describe the threat from white supremacists as the deadliest domestic terror threat facing the U.S., listed above the immediate danger from foreign terrorist groups.

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None of the drafts POLITICO reviewed referred to a threat from Antifa, the loose cohort of militant left-leaning agitators who senior Trump administration officials have described as domestic terrorists. Two of the drafts refer to extremists trying to exploit the “social grievances” driving lawful protests.

[...]

John Cohen, who oversaw DHS’s counterterrorism portfolio from 2011 to 2014, said the drafts’ conclusion isn’t surprising.

“This draft document seems to be consistent with earlier intelligence reports from DHS, the FBI, and other law enforcement sources: that the most significant terror-related threat facing the US today comes from violent extremists who are motivated by white supremacy and other far-right ideological causes,” he said.

So, it seems like the conclusion is that right-wing agitators and domestic terrorists are exceptionally more likely to pose a threat to America’s peace and security - including during these protests. If that is a conspiracy theory, then even the DHS and leading national security and law enforcement figures are perpetuating that conspiracy as well. That would also include John Cohen, who was quoted in the cited article - a man with a distinguished background in law enforcement with bipartisan support:

Mr. Cohen has an extensive background in homeland security and law enforcement operations and policy development. He was Senior Homeland Security Policy Advisor to a number of State and local officials including Governor Mitt Romney of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and Janet Napolitano, Governor of the State of Arizona. In 2004 he was selected by the National Journal as one of the “100 Key People in Homeland Security.” He was also named “Law Enforcement Person of the Year,” by Law Enforcement News for his work in developing and establishing a national non-emergency number, 3-1-1. He has worked within the private sector and has held a variety of government positions including: Special Agent, Office of Naval Intelligence; Police Detective and Patrol Officer, City of Gardena, CA; Senior Investigator, House Judiciary Committee, U.S. House of Representatives; and Senior Policy Advisor to the Director, Office of National Drug Control Policy, Executive Office of the President of the United States. He is the recipient of a number of awards and commendations including the Drug Enforcement Administration “Administrator’s Award,” The South Bay “Medal of Valor,” and the Department of Homeland Security’s “Distinguish Service Medal.”

Should I believe the DHS, experienced law enforcement and national security officials, and my own observations? Or should I believe rightwing media and individuals whose experience and expertise in these areas is nil? Decisions, decisions...