Women in combat

[Hatman 🍁]

Yes, deffinately. Don't know about drafting women though. Haven't made up my mind.

If you have women who are as capable in the military as men, why not?  If women truly want equality, they must accept the responsibility that comes with it.

Well, women and men aren't physically equal. Depends on how much training involved, but with little training it might not be the best idea.

Not all, but I'm saying that those who are physically equal to men should not be an exception just because they're women.

Of course, but we're talking about a military draft. Unless they were to draft able bodied women or something. It all depends on how they go about the draft and how much training there is.

[The Dowager Mod]

Yes.
I was pissed when i wasn't allowed to be in combat.

[Gabu]

Of course, but we're talking about a military draft. Unless they were to draft able bodied women or something. It all depends on how they go about the draft and how much training there is.

All I'm saying is this: if women really want to be equal, they should not suddenly decide that women should be given special treatment different than that given to men when equality would lead to something inconvenient for them.  It's either equality or no equality, not "equality when we like the result".

[??????????]

Option 2 or 3.

[Bdub]

Option 1. 

[Democratic Hawk]

Absolutely

Dave

[Nym90]

Women should be allowed in, but they should have to meet the same standards as men for gaining entry. They are going to be less likely to be qualified but if they are qualified, I see no reason to deny them entry.

[??????????]

Women should be allowed in, but they should have to meet the same standards as men for gaining entry. They are going to be less likely to be qualified but if they are qualified, I see no reason to deny them entry.

And they shouldn't LOWER standards so that more women can pass.

[A18]

How many women will qualify compared to how many men, and what are the costs of trying to maintain separate facilities for them? Moreover, every intelligent person realizes men act differently around women than they do around each other.

Having women in the military is an awful idea.

[Dave from Michigan]

no

[Gabu]

Women should be allowed in, but they should have to meet the same standards as men for gaining entry. They are going to be less likely to be qualified but if they are qualified, I see no reason to deny them entry.

And they shouldn't LOWER standards so that more women can pass.

Yes, which is something that no one has suggested they do...

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

If they sign up--ABSOLUTELY--if it's a draft, I'd say only if needed.

[??????????]

Women should be allowed in, but they should have to meet the same standards as men for gaining entry. They are going to be less likely to be qualified but if they are qualified, I see no reason to deny them entry.

And they shouldn't LOWER standards so that more women can pass.

Yes, which is something that no one has suggested they do...

Fire Departments, police departments and military schools have done so.

[Nation]

Women should be allowed in, but they should have to meet the same standards as men for gaining entry. They are going to be less likely to be qualified but if they are qualified, I see no reason to deny them entry.

And they shouldn't LOWER standards so that more women can pass.

Yes, which is something that no one has suggested they do...

Fire Departments, police departments and military schools have done so.

Yeah, and it's a shame that we have all these female fire fighters and police officers who are failing miserably at said jobs.

[??????????]

Women should be allowed in, but they should have to meet the same standards as men for gaining entry. They are going to be less likely to be qualified but if they are qualified, I see no reason to deny them entry.

And they shouldn't LOWER standards so that more women can pass.

Yes, which is something that no one has suggested they do...

Fire Departments, police departments and military schools have done so.

Yeah, and it's a shame that we have all these female fire fighters and police officers who are failing miserably at said jobs.

I see you left out the military school part.

[Nation]

Women should be allowed in, but they should have to meet the same standards as men for gaining entry. They are going to be less likely to be qualified but if they are qualified, I see no reason to deny them entry.

And they shouldn't LOWER standards so that more women can pass.

Yes, which is something that no one has suggested they do...

Fire Departments, police departments and military schools have done so.

Yeah, and it's a shame that we have all these female fire fighters and police officers who are failing miserably at said jobs.

I see you left out the military school part.

Well, I'd probably argue the same thing, though obviously military is quite different than civilian jobs. At a time when we're hard pressed to find people willing to enlist -- I'd say take all the soliders you can get.

[??????????]

Women should be allowed in, but they should have to meet the same standards as men for gaining entry. They are going to be less likely to be qualified but if they are qualified, I see no reason to deny them entry.

And they shouldn't LOWER standards so that more women can pass.

Yes, which is something that no one has suggested they do...

Fire Departments, police departments and military schools have done so.

Yeah, and it's a shame that we have all these female fire fighters and police officers who are failing miserably at said jobs.

I see you left out the military school part.

Well, I'd probably argue the same thing, though obviously military is quite different than civilian jobs. At a time when we're hard pressed to find people willing to enlist -- I'd say take all the soliders you can get.

Do you know that military schools have a high female dropout rate? And after all the whining and moaning that went on to FORCE fine institutions like VMI and the Citadel to accept women many of the women that originally went in dropped out.

[Nation]

Women should be allowed in, but they should have to meet the same standards as men for gaining entry. They are going to be less likely to be qualified but if they are qualified, I see no reason to deny them entry.

And they shouldn't LOWER standards so that more women can pass.

Yes, which is something that no one has suggested they do...

Fire Departments, police departments and military schools have done so.

Yeah, and it's a shame that we have all these female fire fighters and police officers who are failing miserably at said jobs.

I see you left out the military school part.

Well, I'd probably argue the same thing, though obviously military is quite different than civilian jobs. At a time when we're hard pressed to find people willing to enlist -- I'd say take all the soliders you can get.

Do you know that military schools have a high female dropout rate? And after all the whining and moaning that went on to FORCE fine institutions like VMI and the Citadel to accept women many of the women that originally went in dropped out.

The dropout rate can't be extraordinarily higher than the dropout rate for men -- though I don't know what they are.

I see what you're saying, but in the end, you still end up with soldiers (whether male  or female) that you didn't have  before.

[??????????]

I'm not saying I don't believe women should belong in the military, far from it, their are plenty of roles for women in the military service. Do I think women belong in front line combat? Absolutely not.

[Gabu]

Women should be allowed in, but they should have to meet the same standards as men for gaining entry. They are going to be less likely to be qualified but if they are qualified, I see no reason to deny them entry.

And they shouldn't LOWER standards so that more women can pass.

Yes, which is something that no one has suggested they do...

Fire Departments, police departments and military schools have done so.

Which is ridiculous and something that never should have happened.

[MasterJedi]

Yes they should be allowed to but as it has been already said they should have to pass the same requirements for men, no more or no less.

[Rin-chan]

Personally, I don't think most women could handle the front lines.  We react more to emotions, which would greatly affect our combat abilities.  We are not built to be as physically strong as men are.  Men would spend more time protecting us than helping themselves.

However, if the need arises or if women were drafted, I think women should be able to fight on the front lines, although they could become a liability.

I would gladly serve my country in any way I could, but I can't say that all women would.

Rin-chan

[Virginian87]

No, not under any circumstances will I ever support letting women into combat, or to join the military except as either nurses or secretaries.  And neither would I support having women be made eligible for the draft. 

^^^^^^^^^^^Option 3 for me too.  I would have to agree with Frodo and States on this topic.

I believe that the military academies should not have been forced to become co-ed as well.  As States points out, there was no reason for VMI and the Citadel to change from their all-male policy when nearly all the female cadets drop out anyway.  Most women cannot take the emotional environment of an Annapolis or West Point.

[nclib]

Most women cannot take the emotional environment of an Annapolis or West Point.

Even if this is true, why should the ones who are emotionally ready not be allowed?

Whether it's combat or military academies, obviously a higher percentage of men than women would excel at it, but that doesn't mean that the few women who can make it, should be denied their rights.

[opebo]

Most women cannot take the emotional environment of an Annapolis or West Point.

Haha, by 'emotional environment' do you mean getting raped and otherwise attacked or harrassed all the time?