Trump: Jews are "only in it for themselves" and "stick together"

[Adam Griffin]

Thanks for proving my point. Again. I'll keep on voting for Democrats *until 2024 and working to keep people like you out of the party.

ok boomer

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

In relation to the other vile crap spewed in this thread, Jews remain per capita the group most likely to be the victim of hate crimes in the United States and it's not particularly close.

Yapping about our "privilege" is vile given that context.

[Horus]

Not a fan of Corbyn but he's no longer relevant and a pretty weird thread derail. Shut up about him.

The irony is that Corbyn wasn't brought up in this thread out of a genuine whataboutism; he was brought up by Griffin, who was acting as though Trump's garden-variety stereotyping somehow erases the numerous instances in which Corbyn either expressed or tolerated Antisemitic views or praised people who kill Israelis.

It was mostly deleted, along with most of my responses, but he did something very similar in the thread about De Blasio's menacing comments to the NY Jewish community in April.

Please be quiet, Republican. Stay in New Jersey and vote for Trump if you feel like the left hates you more.

Thanks for proving my point. Again. I'll keep on voting for Democrats and working to keep people like you out of the party.

Weren't you a Haley '24 stan like a month ago?

In relation to the other vile crap spewed in this thread, Jews remain per capita the group most likely to be the victim of hate crimes in the United States and it's not particularly close.

Yapping about our "privilege" is vile given that context.

According to the completely agenda-less ADL. If you're suggesting Jewish Americans face more systemic discrimination than black, Latino or Muslim Americans, you're even more disgusting than I thought.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Not a fan of Corbyn but he's no longer relevant and a pretty weird thread derail. Shut up about him.

The irony is that Corbyn wasn't brought up in this thread out of a genuine whataboutism; he was brought up by Griffin, who was acting as though Trump's garden-variety stereotyping somehow erases the numerous instances in which Corbyn either expressed or tolerated Antisemitic views or praised people who kill Israelis.

It was mostly deleted, along with most of my responses, but he did something very similar in the thread about De Blasio's menacing comments to the NY Jewish community in April.

Please be quiet, Republican. Stay in New Jersey and vote for Trump if you feel like the left hates you more.

Thanks for proving my point. Again. I'll keep on voting for Democrats and working to keep people like you out of the party.

Weren't you a Haley '24 stan like a month ago?

In relation to the other vile crap spewed in this thread, Jews remain per capita the group most likely to be the victim of hate crimes in the United States and it's not particularly close.

Yapping about our "privilege" is vile given that context.

According to the completely agenda-less ADL. If you're suggesting Jewish Americans face more systemic discrimination than black, Latino or Muslim Americans, you're even more disgusting than I thought.

Her water-carrying for Trump has put me off her. Regardless, I have no clue what the post-Trump Republican party looks like and I have no interest in supporting the party of QAnon. They can get my vote back by making some serious changes.

Until then, I'll be voting for the saner party - aka the one that rejected the bigoted populists in their primary instead of embracing them.

[PSOL]

lmao @ the direction of this thread

[Where's the Epstein Client List?]

What makes Trump different is that when he assigns old stereotypes to Jews (they're greedy and obsessed with money; they don't care about anyone outside their group; they're crafty and deceitful), he's regarding those as good things.

This smacks significantly of the same sentiment that says it's OK to talk about black men having large you-know-whats and being better in bed. After all, those are "good things" - but they directly lead to a plethora of other stereotypes and tropes being reinforced in negative fashion.

I didn't say it was okay that he does that, just that his line of reasoning is not the same as the garden-variety right-winger. It's arguably more like the "positive antisemitism" you sometimes see in East Asia ("Jewish people are rich and control the world? Let's learn what their secret is!").

[Adam Griffin]

2018 FBI crime stats say you're roughly 4x more likely (per capita) to be the victim of a hate crime in a given year if you're black (1:10000) than if you're Jewish (1:42000), but ok. All you have to do is know some basic population figures and percentages to calculate the odds on your own.

The post-2016 changes in hate crime stats do bear out greater increases in US anti-Semitic hate crimes than most any other group, however - which of course is just as much (if not more!) Corbyn's fault as Trump's.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

2018 FBI crime stats say you're roughly 4x more likely (per capita) to be the victim of a hate crime in a given year if you're black (1:10000) than if you're Jewish (1:42000), but ok. All you have to do is know some basic population figures and percentages to calculate the odds on your own.

The post-2016 changes in hate crime stats do bear out greater increases in US anti-Semitic hate crimes than most any other group, however - which of course is just as much (if not more!) Corbyn's fault as Trump's.

Going by the exact details of that page you gave me -

Dividing the % of attacks in each category by the percentage that targeted African-Americans and Jewish-Americans.

There were 2428 hate crimes targeting African-Americans.

There were 920 hate crimes targeting Jewish-Americans.

This doesn't take into consideration any structural discrimination, which is its own issue, but...do you think there are more than 3x African-Americans than Jewish-Americans in the United States?

The only reason anyone would argue that Jews are not the group most disproportionately likely to be the victim of a hate crime is because they had an agenda.

[Horus]

2018 FBI crime stats say you're roughly 4x more likely (per capita) to be the victim of a hate crime in a given year if you're black (1:10000) than if you're Jewish (1:42000), but ok. All you have to do is know some basic population figures and percentages to calculate the odds on your own.

The post-2016 changes in hate crime stats do bear out greater increases in US anti-Semitic hate crimes than most any other group, however - which of course is just as much (if not more!) Corbyn's fault as Trump's.

Going by the exact details of that page you gave me -

Dividing the % of attacks in each category by the percentage that targeted African-Americans and Jewish-Americans.

There were 2428 hate crimes targeting African-Americans.

There were 920 hate crimes targeting Jewish-Americans.

This doesn't take into consideration any structural discrimination, which is its own issue, but...do you think there are more than 3x African-Americans than Jewish-Americans in the United States?

The only reason anyone would argue that Jews are not the group most disproportionately likely to be the victim of a hate crime is because they had an agenda.

Which is probably 98% of discrimination in the U.S., but you gloss it over like a footnote.

[Yellowhammer]

Sure. The guy with a Jewish daughter and grandchildren totally said this.

[Adam Griffin]

2018 FBI crime stats say you're roughly 4x more likely (per capita) to be the victim of a hate crime in a given year if you're black (1:10000) than if you're Jewish (1:42000), but ok. All you have to do is know some basic population figures and percentages to calculate the odds on your own.

The post-2016 changes in hate crime stats do bear out greater increases in US anti-Semitic hate crimes than most any other group, however - which of course is just as much (if not more!) Corbyn's fault as Trump's.

Going by the exact details of that page you gave me -

Dividing the % of attacks in each category by the percentage that targeted African-Americans and Jewish-Americans.

There were 2428 hate crimes targeting African-Americans.

There were 920 hate crimes targeting Jewish-Americans.

This doesn't take into consideration any structural discrimination, which is its own issue, but...do you think there are more than 3x African-Americans than Jewish-Americans in the United States?

The only reason anyone would argue that Jews are not the group most disproportionately likely to be the victim of a hate crime is because they had an agenda.

You're right here. I must've made a mistake with my calculations. The correct odds would be approximately 1:19000 and 1:8000 (depending on which year you use and how many Americans are counted as "black" or "Jewish", since both are somewhat flexible figures), respectively - meaning Jewish-Americans are a bit more than twice as likely to be targeted per capita.

https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/hate-crime-statistics
https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2018/topic-pages/victims

[Brittain33]

Trump just dislikes anyone not voting for him in large numbers. When it comes to Jews, he's probably disappointed because he believes to have been the "greatest president for Israel in history". So American Jews are ungrateful in his opinion. Typical attitudes of a narcissistic psychopath.

An interesting bit is that he was convinced Rod Rosenstein was a Democrat and kept calling him a Democrat, even though he’s a Republican. It’s like when Trump sees black people, he always thinks “public housing” - telling them in 2016 their cities are terrible, appointing Ben Carson to HUD, lying about Cory Booker destroying the suburbs with public housing. When he sees a Jewish name, he sees “Democrats”, and his brain can’t get behind it.

[Badger]

Not a fan of Corbyn but he's no longer relevant and a pretty weird thread derail. Shut up about him.

Yes, this. Trying to say Corbin as some weird-ass both sides ISM justification is bizarrely Irrelevant for the American Electric, not to mention borderline gutless.

I'm going to say it. Any jewish-american voting for Trump after these comments is equivalent to any black American who votes for him after his comments that blacks are stupid and lazy. That is, they will deny this ever occurred and blame the media, because reasons.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

2018 FBI crime stats say you're roughly 4x more likely (per capita) to be the victim of a hate crime in a given year if you're black (1:10000) than if you're Jewish (1:42000), but ok. All you have to do is know some basic population figures and percentages to calculate the odds on your own.

The post-2016 changes in hate crime stats do bear out greater increases in US anti-Semitic hate crimes than most any other group, however - which of course is just as much (if not more!) Corbyn's fault as Trump's.

Going by the exact details of that page you gave me -

Dividing the % of attacks in each category by the percentage that targeted African-Americans and Jewish-Americans.

There were 2428 hate crimes targeting African-Americans.

There were 920 hate crimes targeting Jewish-Americans.

This doesn't take into consideration any structural discrimination, which is its own issue, but...do you think there are more than 3x African-Americans than Jewish-Americans in the United States?

The only reason anyone would argue that Jews are not the group most disproportionately likely to be the victim of a hate crime is because they had an agenda.

Which is probably 98% of discrimination in the U.S., but you gloss it over like a footnote.

If you want to talk housing discrimination or police reform, sure. No one here's going to say Jews are treated worse in those areas.

Multiple fatal hate crimes targeting Jewish schools, houses of worship, and homes coming from both sides of the political fringe are definitely not a minor footnote to the overall picture of discrimination in this country.

[Badger]

Jesus Christ This Thread.

Trump says odious things proving what an anti-semite he is, and all we can do is vitamin ourselves over the relative degree of persecution Jews have received in this country, and Jeremy fuking corbyn.

This is why Trump might still possibly get reelected (plus voter fraud).

[Crumpets]

Sure. The guy with a Jewish daughter and grandchildren totally said this.

Heck, he probably said it with Ivanka and Jared in the room. Would it really be out-of-character?

[Horus]

2018 FBI crime stats say you're roughly 4x more likely (per capita) to be the victim of a hate crime in a given year if you're black (1:10000) than if you're Jewish (1:42000), but ok. All you have to do is know some basic population figures and percentages to calculate the odds on your own.

The post-2016 changes in hate crime stats do bear out greater increases in US anti-Semitic hate crimes than most any other group, however - which of course is just as much (if not more!) Corbyn's fault as Trump's.

Going by the exact details of that page you gave me -

Dividing the % of attacks in each category by the percentage that targeted African-Americans and Jewish-Americans.

There were 2428 hate crimes targeting African-Americans.

There were 920 hate crimes targeting Jewish-Americans.

This doesn't take into consideration any structural discrimination, which is its own issue, but...do you think there are more than 3x African-Americans than Jewish-Americans in the United States?

The only reason anyone would argue that Jews are not the group most disproportionately likely to be the victim of a hate crime is because they had an agenda.

Which is probably 98% of discrimination in the U.S., but you gloss it over like a footnote.

If you want to talk housing discrimination or police reform, sure. No one here's going to say Jews are treated worse in those areas.

Multiple fatal hate crimes targeting Jewish schools, houses of worship, and homes coming from both sides of the political fringe are definitely not a minor footnote to the overall picture of discrimination in this country.

Hebrew Israelites and the NoI are right wing, the attacks are not from both sides.

[Abolish ICE]

To be fair, I was tipsy and just being facetious. Nevertheless, if people want to argue that his affiliation with a party has as much/less association with anti-semitic tropes than the leader of one in this country overtly expressing them himself, then I'm more than willing to engage.

Jdb didn't draw an equivalency between the African-American experience and the Jewish-American experience. You aren't fooling anyone with this faux-outrage routine.

Sure he did. No need to even make such a comparison unless comparisons were attempting to be drawn. I can talk about my forms of personal discrimination and/or experiences of rural life, LGBT life or any other number of anecdotes without needing to mention people of color as a comparison point. It's way too common in this country for a plethora of groups to try and draw a line (direct or otherwise) to BIPOC to generate some type of empathy. If the experience(s) are comparable, then fine; if not, they need to be called out.

Independent of that, I'm not going to be lectured about my views by the likes of you.

Griffin, I'm not gonna go round and round with you on this.  This is the last time I'm gonna comment on this, in fact.  I never equated the Jewish and African-American experiences.  You're a smart guy and you know that perfectly well, so let's call it a day with the faux-outrage, okay?  

You said that if someone made the comments Corbyn has about any group other than Jewish people, then no one would care.  I pointed out an example of an anti-Semitic quote by Jeremy Corbyn and then compared it to a hypothetical scenario where someone said the same thing except targeted against African-Americans to illustrate that such a comment would be considered appalling and utterly despicable even if it were about a minority group other than Jews.  

Rather than respond to what I actually said, you went on a long, rather offensive rant about how (at the risk of oversimplify things slightly) left-wing anti-Semitism isn't really all that bad because Jews aren't a real minority.  I get that you don't like the fact that you got yourself infracted, but the fact that you've even said you were "quasi-trolling" suggests that on some level even you knew you crossed the line.

[PSOL]

Y’know, oppression olympics is ultimately a tool for the ruling class to divide us. We must realize that we all have it sh!tty in this late capitalist America.

We need to be now united in throwing off our shackles no matter what type and create a society where we all live without issue from the elite. Donald Trump, in being the uncompromising faction, should be a wake-up call  that reform by electoral strategies has its limits, and we must not limit our cards. Because else we risk barbarism.

[jaymichaud]

Griffin, I'm not gonna go round and round with you on this.  This is the last time I'm gonna comment on this, in fact.  I never equated the Jewish and African-American experiences.  You're a smart guy and you know that perfectly well, so let's call it a day with the faux-outrage, okay?  

You said that if someone made the comments Corbyn has about Jewish people then no one would care.  I pointed out an example of an anti-Semitic quote by Jeremy Corbyn and then compared it to a hypothetical scenario where someone said the same thing except targeted against African-Americans to illustrate that such a comment would be considered appalling and utterly despicable even if it were about a minority group other than Jews.  

Rather than respond to what I actually said, you went on a long, rather offensive rant about how (at the risk of oversimplify things slightly) left-wing anti-Semitism isn't really all that bad because Jews aren't a real minority.  I get that you don't like the fact that you got yourself infracted, but the fact that you've even said you were "quasi-trolling" suggests that on some level even you knew you crossed the line.

You and Horus really spending your Friday nights this way.... where are your real friends ma???

[PSOL]

Griffin, I'm not gonna go round and round with you on this.  This is the last time I'm gonna comment on this, in fact.  I never equated the Jewish and African-American experiences.  You're a smart guy and you know that perfectly well, so let's call it a day with the faux-outrage, okay?  

You said that if someone made the comments Corbyn has about Jewish people then no one would care.  I pointed out an example of an anti-Semitic quote by Jeremy Corbyn and then compared it to a hypothetical scenario where someone said the same thing except targeted against African-Americans to illustrate that such a comment would be considered appalling and utterly despicable even if it were about a minority group other than Jews.  

Rather than respond to what I actually said, you went on a long, rather offensive rant about how (at the risk of oversimplify things slightly) left-wing anti-Semitism isn't really all that bad because Jews aren't a real minority.  I get that you don't like the fact that you got yourself infracted, but the fact that you've even said you were "quasi-trolling" suggests that on some level even you knew you crossed the line.

You and Horus really spending your Friday nights this way.... where are your real friends ma???

Their friends are all on discord simping for October 2019 forever.

[25 Abril/Aprile Sempre!]

I didn't know there was anyone capable to derail threads so well as to compete with Fuzzy Bear, but apparently I was wrong. Adam Griffin!

[インターネット掲示板ユーザー Punxsutawney Phil]

No one can defeat the debating power of the great GAndam. Move aside, Power Rangers.

[Horus]

Griffin, I'm not gonna go round and round with you on this.  This is the last time I'm gonna comment on this, in fact.  I never equated the Jewish and African-American experiences.  You're a smart guy and you know that perfectly well, so let's call it a day with the faux-outrage, okay?  

You said that if someone made the comments Corbyn has about Jewish people then no one would care.  I pointed out an example of an anti-Semitic quote by Jeremy Corbyn and then compared it to a hypothetical scenario where someone said the same thing except targeted against African-Americans to illustrate that such a comment would be considered appalling and utterly despicable even if it were about a minority group other than Jews.  

Rather than respond to what I actually said, you went on a long, rather offensive rant about how (at the risk of oversimplify things slightly) left-wing anti-Semitism isn't really all that bad because Jews aren't a real minority.  I get that you don't like the fact that you got yourself infracted, but the fact that you've even said you were "quasi-trolling" suggests that on some level even you knew you crossed the line.

You and Horus really spending your Friday nights this way.... where are your real friends ma???

It's 4 PM and you're right here too.

[Adam Griffin]

Griffin, I'm not gonna go round and round with you on this.  This is the last time I'm gonna comment on this, in fact.  I never equated the Jewish and African-American experiences.  You're a smart guy and you know that perfectly well, so let's call it a day with the faux-outrage, okay?  

You said that if someone made the comments Corbyn has about Jewish people then no one would care.  I pointed out an example of an anti-Semitic quote by Jeremy Corbyn and then compared it to a hypothetical scenario where someone said the same thing except targeted against African-Americans to illustrate that such a comment would be considered appalling and utterly despicable even if it were about a minority group other than Jews.  

Rather than respond to what I actually said, you went on a long, rather offensive rant about how (at the risk of oversimplify things slightly) left-wing anti-Semitism isn't really all that bad because Jews aren't a real minority.  I get that you don't like the fact that you got yourself infracted, but the fact that you've even said you were "quasi-trolling" suggests that on some level even you knew you crossed the line.

You and Horus really spending your Friday nights this way.... where are your real friends ma???

Those higher latitudes and shortened days up north must be kicking in: can't imagine what a Friday night between noon and 3 PM would do to me!